Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060: Benchmark Review - 25 Games Tested!


Matt has a couple of other new 1060 video's as well.

 

Those videos clearly show how much proper driver support impacts performance.

I'm impressed with the 1060.

 

I really like his reviews. Once I subscribed to his channel I rarely find the need to check out other tech review expect maybe digital foundry. Others are just stuffed with filler content and opinions rather then hard facts and figures.

 

GTX 1060 is going to be a game changing mobile chip. GTX 980 performance in ~$1,000 laptops.

What a time.

 

Given it's replacement of GTX 970M, it will be more something like ~$1,500 - 2,000.

See for example this leak of new MSI models lineup:

Spoiler: MSI notebooks with Pascal GPUs

Performance though will be great:

 

980 performance? Where can I see that? I can't see it in the image ^^^

 

wow, super gouge prices on 3rd world country. no wonder they stay poor

 

1. The price of MSI's 'GS' line is always way above the mean.

2. Any "leak" still referencing 'M'chips is hard to take as reliable.

 

the GTX1060 reviews are all over the place... depending on which review I read, the 1060 is above or equal to the 980. In others it is inferior to the 980 but still slightly ahead of 1060. It doesn't seem to be that much more over an RX480.

At this point, it doesn't matter anyways, they are competing products at competing prices. Where the hell are notebook GTX pascal cards??! We have heard so many rumors from the tested leaked 2048 core version, to now saying they are full fledged chips with less clocks....

 

The price is insane. 1060m will cost more than 980m. And yet it's performance just on par with 980m judging from the desktop version.

 

They'll be announced at the beginning of August.

But regarding the 1060, I honestly don't see why anyone would be disappointed with it. Newer titles with optimization for driver support seem to put the 1060 at or above the GTX 980, which is quite impressive, in my opinion. And everyone must consider that this is only the first iteration of Pascal. They won't unleash full-pledged Pascal performance until next year, which should be another 50%~ performance jump over this year's Pascal chips.

The Founder's Edition is $299, but the other "editions" (which are basically the same card) will be $249 or less.

 

PSA: The prices in that leak aren't even USD.

 

That's a relief. Cannot wait to see the real price.

 

Just found something out!

There is an Acer G1, 16 liter case, it houses 6700 + 1080, and is ultra portable.

Except for the very sad fact that one would totally need more than one monitor, that seems to be the perfect deal for a portable computer.

Though, it has only 6700 instead of 6700k. . .

I am curious if they can bring anything to the table that would top that and in good price.

 

Do you know the real source?

I've taken that image from this very thread but no idea where it came from (not to be confused with that 3dmark score that came from a different source, a Polish website).

Brief googling seems to confirm MSI GS83 (with Maxwell GPUs) price of ~$4,500 USD (from Microsoft blog):

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...-10-gaming-laptops-built-for-virtual-reality/

Maxwell version of GS73 is supposed to start from ~$1,700 USD (which would make it ~$250 USD cheaper than Pascal version of GS63 from that MSI image, if the prices were USD, kinda plausible):

http://www.nextpowerup.com/news/28392/msi-unveils-four-new-gaming-notebooks/

 

Has anyone explained the mysterious GTX1070 MSI is listing with the GS73?


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~ $1500 for 1070 laptop seems a reasonable price for me. Otherwise, why not build a 1080 desktop.

 

Source for image of new MSI models - http://chantracomputer.com. Also check - http://coretech.co.za/products.php for other model specs. http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=10171 for images and model numbers.


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Uhm, so I found more leaked info about new MSI models, now from US site:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...t=2&keyword=hp&fc=y+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Here is a screenshot for posterity, in case even that cache gets taken down:

Spoiler: MSI GS63VR, MSI GS73VR

Prices here are definitely USD and even higher than what was in that earlier image.

 

Hopefully we will have some solid news in next couple of weeks.

 

Laptops with GTX 1070 (replaces GTX 980M) will start around $2000
http://www.pcstore.bg/bg/laptop-asus-g752vs-gc063t.html
3999 Bulgarian Lev ~ $2250

 

Thanks, this is very useful. As we have there also Maxwell models, we can compute relative price increase for Pascal models independently of the currency and local pricing distortions.

For example: MSI GS63 with Pascal GTX 1060 but otherwise identical specs to MSI GS60 with Maxwell GTX 970M cost ~11% more ($2,059 vs $1,849).

My guess would be - as that site is Cambodian and Cambodian currency has crazy value that wouldn't fit those prices at all - those are USD prices, just inflated vs what prices will be in United States (similarly to how EU prices are always inflated vs US).

Those prices from that US store I found are then probably models with higher specs (MSI tend to have pricing all over the place, usually richer countries get more expensive features - bigger SSDs / more RAM / VRAM, higher screen res, etc).

 

Once again - I'm not trusting those sources entirely, since it's possible that the website wasn't updated at all.

You know what, maybe we ought to get those desktop guys with GTX 1060s to set their clocks at 1500 MHz, power targets to 54% and see how their GPU performs. If it actually draws only ~ 60 W while still outputting ~ 90% GTX 980 performance, we have a winner for laptops, and those MSi sources can go to die.

 

From the pictures of the new MSI GT83, is it me or is it ever so slightly thicker? I also see the vent exhaust for the third dedicated CPU fan If the thickness of the machine remains the same, I might be able to mod the cooling of the GT80 to match the 83 somehow.

 

Well, 1080 performs close to 100% faster, while consuming only 50% more power... I am sure 1060 can be made more efficient with small tweaks.

 

Oh, those MSI leaks are now everywhere, launch must be pretty near

Ok, let's try to reconstruct MSI notebook Pascal lineup :

MSI GE62VR Apache Pro - 15" - GTX 1060 - $1,983.06
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...01-notebook-pc/ge62vr-apache-pro-001/32330910

MSI GE72VR Apache Pro - 17" - GTX 1060 - $1,983.06
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...01-notebook-pc/ge72vr-apache-pro-001/32330901

MSI GS43VR Phantom Pro - 14" - GTX 1060 - $1,866.35
http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=147258
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GS43VR
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...6-notebook-pc/gs43vr-phantom-pro-006/32330899

MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro - 15" - GTX 1060 - $2,216.47 (1080p) / $2,449.89 (4K)
http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=146578
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GS63VR
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...4-notebook-pc/gs63vr-stealth-pro-034/32330881
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...otebook-pc/gs63vr-stealth-pro-4k-021/32330872

MSI GS73VR Stealth Pro - 17" - GTX 1060 - $2,216.47 (1080p) / $2,566.59 (4K)
http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=147193
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GS73VR
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...5-notebook-pc/gs73vr-stealth-pro-025/32330864
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...otebook-pc/gs73vr-stealth-pro-4k-016/32330856

MSI GT62VR Dominator (Pro) - 15" - $1,983.06 / $2,333.18 (GTX 1060 ) / $2,683.30 (GTX 1070)
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GT62VR
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...027-notebook-pc/gt62vr-dominator-027/32330848
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...012-notebook-pc/gt62vr-dominator-012/32330830
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...notebook-pc/gt62vr-dominator-pro-005/32330821

MSI GT72VR Dominator (Pro) - 17" - $1,983.06 (GTX 1060) / $2,449.89 (GTX 1070)
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GT62VR
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...063-notebook-pc/gt72vr-dominator-063/32330813
http://www.pcconnection.com/product...notebook-pc/gt72vr-dominator-pro-015/32330928

MSI GT73VR Titan (Pro) - 17" - GTX 1070 / GTX 1080
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GT73VR

MSI GT83VR Titan SLI - 18" - GTX 1080 SLI
http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=146787
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx?SearchText=GT83VR

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Additional sources:

http://coretech.co.za/products.php
http://amigo.msi.com/msi_specification.aspx
http://chantracomputer.com/

 

The MSI GS73s are strange. They show a CD/BD ROM drive, which isn't possible in their form factor, and no mention of the 120hz panels (shown at computex for August release).

 

Where? I didn't see one on the pictures, seems like exhausts on both sides, no cd rom?

 

Sorry, the ones in post #4989. I'm having problems quoting that block.

 

That Chantra Computer store has a price markup of ~$300 for all products across it's store. Just compare prices for the Surface Pro, some of their Acer and Asus computers that are already available. And now we have a pre-order markup.

It'd be a bad move for nVidia to jack prices up so high after just one generation.

 

There is always some chaos with early leaks. People in stores don't have yet fully updated info from OEMs + they also make mistakes with copy-pasting.

But just the fact that we suddenly went from almost no leaks to many leaks from multiple sources means launch is getting close (no more than about a month).

If you check multiple links here, you can get idea about what's real and what's hallucinated

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-501#post-10298623

 

The 'mobile 1060' won't succeed the 860M/960M models, it'll replace the 970M-type of models. Naming is even more confusing this time...

 

Then what replaces the 860/960Ms? 1040M?

Bad move by nVidia if that happens.

 

ha! thats what ive been saying all along!

1060 mobile - 970M successor
1070 mobile - 980M successor
1080 mobile - 980 "light" successor, more like succeeding an imaginary 980MX situated between 980M and 980 TDP/performance wise

maybe a real, actual 980 successor will come sometime later...

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Those replacements are quiet a bit further away than the models that 'leaks suggest' to be released soon...

They released the 'second revision 965M' (N16E-GR) to fill the time in between.

 

This was my guess from a while ago

Now we do know smaller version of GTX 1060 is coming (either as GTX 1050 or 1050 Ti), though that could be just GTX 965M successor.

Not sure about even lower tier notebook GPUs like successors of 940M. There is even a chance they'll just keep Maxwells. They already did things like that before, mixed generations lineups are common for lower tiers.

 

The 920M was a Kepler GPU

 

GeForce 800 notebook series had Maxwell, Kepler and Fermi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_800M_series

 

Yes, I'm aware. The 800M series was such a cluster**** that nVidia skipped it and used the 900 series for their newer, better Maxwell chips.

 

Man, those naming schemes are strange.

And the way they don't respect a single release generation having a single technological generation makes it harder for us to buy what we need and to know what exactly is going on.

But they are not shooting themselves in the foot on this one. Why? They can make money from the confusion. The worse the situation is for us, the more they win. They simply win regardless of the strategy they take, and we ought to do something, but we can't.

I'm so scared of getting a laptop and need dat power so much that I seriously consider getting me an acer predator desktop or some other desktop that I can easily carry but still fit an 1080 in.

Rather, getting 980 now on the prices we're having now it's not the best deal, getting 1080 when it comes out for laptops is a rather bad deal for the money, we're trapped into an endless circle of tech becoming more expensive. But it's also more reliable. Anyone remembers when top end cards were barely able to play simple games? As long as we're advancing we're good.

Now a real advice: Don't pre-order. Don't. You'll both lose money, and expose yourself to many risks.

 

If you are still on 980, I would wait.

 

I need a laptop before Sept. Should I get a 970m or 980m now or buy a *normal* laptop and update later? Thanks.

 

I'm afraid you can't get newest tech before sept. But who knows

 

This is a painful choice. Hopefully, 1080 is upgradable.

 

Apparently this is the new version of clevo p650/670 series gonna look like. RGB keyboard, and there are words about heat pipe are connected between CPU and GPU...no longer separated


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Great, even Clevo is in for throttle books now.

 

What? It'd be a terrible pity if such a robust cooling solution as exists in the current P650 series was reduced to an integrated one as found in the W230SS...

 

As long as they also upgrade the size of those fans...
These small sized ones really felt like a small plane take off.
Especially that CPU Fan was loud af. Pointing it to the side was another factor making it louder imo.
But that's just my 2c.

 

Yeah, the rumor indeed mention modified fans...


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Ya, I get it and figure. It's interesting I went through all the computex videos for the GT83, GT73 and GS73 and all the models including the names match up ("Titan" line expansion, "VR" marketing everywhere).

re: cooling and optical drives, if you google the videos, it looks like optical drives are just dropped for better cooling - I'm fine with that.

Can't wait for these as I've been waiting for six months. Very happy with what seems will be a market push for 17.3" 120hz panels at 1080p to take advantage of the horsepower. The last laptop I had with 120hz was a "3D" HP "Envy" model from about 5 years during the 3D days, which I got for the refresh rate only, and loved it. It was great but could not keep up in the GPU dept. It's a great time to be buying a laptop.