Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

The majority of people will not come to this thread for CPU advice. And it'll be buried once the GPU's are announced.

 

Yet users reading this thread can benefit from this knowledge, too.

But you're right, let's not drag the attention away from the purpose of this thread, dedicated to Pascal and not CPU discussions.

 

I wouldn't mind an answer to my last post before switching back

 

It's the way of the "keep'em busy" Mobile Pascal thread.

The wonder of this thread is that when Mobile Pascal gets released, this thread gets closed, and a new one gets opened - so this thread will hardly reach it's destination before it's all over

 

dupe - please delete

 

An i5 will perform well in games. The only real difference is the fact that an i5 6300hq is clocked lower than an i7 6700hq.

980m = 125ishW
970m = 100ishW
960m = 60ishW

Pascal should be about the same where 1070 replaces the 980m and 1060 replaces the 1060 as the chassis designs haven't been majorly overhauled the same laptops can still support the same tiers of cards.

 

The HQ processors can't OC in the Skylake range, so you are stuck with whatever the default base and turbo clock rates are.

Clock rate matters, so slower cores aren't going to perform as well as higher clocked cores.

The clock difference between the i5-6300HQ and i7-6700HQ is 300mhz at the top end:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88967,88959,94188,77779

That's about 10% less cycles, which isn't a lot, hardly noticeable.

But, you can keep trimming things down, 8 core to 4 core, 3.2ghz vs 3.5ghz, and eventually you'll notice

Not sure what you want to know about the temperature differences. All of those GPU's in a good cooling system, running at full performance, should all be right around the same temps, give or take.

The new GPU's run hotter and draw more power, but have been tuned to fit into the thermal range in each laptop they are replacing a 960m / 970m / 980m, so they will be "the same" temperatures.

There will be variations in every laptop model when migrating from Maxwell to Pascal, but they should all on average be the same.

 

Cheers.
The idea behind my question was because you can see sometimes the same laptop serie (for exemple MSI GE70) with different versions with different GPU (GE70-6QE or 6QF). But it's all in the same case therefore the same cooling system. So automatically the heat from different GPU will affect the overall heat of the laptop.

 

There are differences in the build between different GPU models.

They often have different heatspreader, heatpipes, heat exchangers, and fans.

Some have subtle differences in size, thicker with more volume for cooling parts and air flow.

And, due to these differences, you can't take a model with a lower TDP GPU and upgrade it by swapping in a higher TDP GPU, without also changing a whole bunch of related parts. Usually not doable.

Just because they have a similar appearing exterior shell doesn't mean the interior is the same

 

Well, here comes the inevitable Clevo P750DM2-G



http://www.avadirect.com/Clevo-P750...YNC-Graphics-Gaming-Laptop/Configure/10731717

Starting at:

• $1,509 with GTX 1060
• $1,727 with GTX 1070

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Recapitulation of other links:

Clevo P650RS-G (GTX 1070 starting at $1,579)
http://www.avadirect.com/Clevo-P650...YNC-Graphics-Gaming-Laptop/Configure/10729727

Clevo P775DM3-G (GTX 1060 starting at $1,609 / GTX 1070 at $1,825 / GTX 1080 at $2,225)
http://www.avadirect.com/Avant-P775-Gaming-Laptop/Configure/10736290

Clevo P870DM3 (SLI GTX 1080 starting at $3,389)
http://www.avadirect.com/Clevo-P870...YNC-Graphics-Gaming-Laptop/Configure/10733805

 

I thought there would be differences between a GE60 and a GE70 (to take again the msi exemple) but I thought the GE70-6QE would be the same cooling system than the GE70-6QF...

 

Uh is it just me or are the P775 and P870 photos switched??

 

If they have a different GPU, you can bet they have different cooling.

Like from 960m to 970m to 980m, all different cooling and fittings.

The GE70-6QF isn't coming up, the GE70-6QE is a 970m. If the other one is a 980m, then they have different cooling, fittings, layout, etc.

 

Yup, here are official Clevo pages:

P750DM2-G
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=953&lang=en

P775DM2-G
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=944&lang=en

P870DM2-G
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=948&lang=en

P870DM3-G
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=950&lang=en

 

And they all still officially say:

• NVIDIA® enthusiast graphic card

 

You should really stop posting Clevo discussion topics in this thread. There's an entire sub-forum dedicated to Sager and Clevo.

Who the hell finances a laptop? For $300 a month, you can get a BMW or Mercedes, or two Honda's. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

I know I want a 6700K and at least a 1070. Maybe 1080 depending on $.

I've never SLI'd... and (probably/maybe) never will. So which model fits what I need... 775/870? Differences?

Also, which models can take a single GPU, then can be upgraded with a 2nd for SLI in the future? Just in case!

Also, can some of the model info be placed in the first post of this thread? It would help with some of the recurring questions.

Edit: Post #6583 didn't show up until just now, weird. I think that might answer some of my questions.

 

There are subtle difference like what @hmscott said, for example:
http://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks/ROG-GL502VT/

http://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-STRIX-GL502VY/

The thickness is different and the copper pipes have been slightly enlarged in the vy, although they have basically the same chassis design. @hmscott knows what he's talking about, he's helped me and a lot more people in other threads

 

This is the wrong thread for it to be put on the front page, but I'll help you out.

The Clevo P870DM can do anything, so you can put one 1080 in it and another later on if you with (for the P870DM3 at least not sure what the difference is between 2 and 3).

The P775DM can also hold a 1080 but not in sli.

 

Don't mean to sound too rough here but a lot of people do, especially for expensive merchandise like a gaming laptop. Not everyone can afford to just pull $2000 out of their account. Most of us have to pay bills for a roof over our head, food on our table, and some to help out family as well instead of just spending it all on ourself for an overpriced car with poor gas mileage compared to some cheaper options.

 

After all these pages and pages of off-topic discussions are you for real?

These Clevo posts have been the most on-topic thing here for quite a long time. We learned much more about Pascals from those posts than from dozens of wasted pages pondering if M would be part of the name

Putting lower price bounds on GTX 1060/1070/1080 matters. Having them named with or without M does not.

 

Yes, I'm serious because your posts are always so long, and sometimes double-posted. It's annoying to read something about a GPU and then see long ass posts about five or six Clevo laptops. Go talk about Clevo in the Clevo sub-forum.

Guess it doesn't matter since Ethrem will be closing this, anyway... Whatever, lol.

 

What are you talking about? My laptop is worth more than my car's KBB value!!! Lol! Sad I prefer a beast machine over more reliable transport!

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The same people who finance their new kitchen, swimming pool or expensive DSLR. If it's 0% finance then all the better to spread your costs in case you need bank money for something else.

 

@Galm17... You're right!... I've been bouncing between this and the official 870DM3 thread and got confused .

Thx for the supplied info.

 

You tell that @Papusan. New worldrecord benching with i5 6600k, MUHAHAHA!!!

Just jokin'!

 

If you will compare 6700K vs 6600K. No doubt what people should buy. Worth every single dime And I understand pretty well the massive talk about Clevo. If you looking back the mirror. You will understand all of it And 15822 in Firestrike physics is something most people should love

 

Like me, disabled HT now thanks to prema bios

 

It was a rhetorical question, but okay. In my opinion, considering the depreciative nature of such a product, financing seems so unattractive. At least a new vehicle or home retains some sort of value and serves you a grand purpose for an extended period, far longer than that of a gaming laptop.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

I'm in a similar place right now. OR sort of. I can't feel compelled to invest a lot in a car, and would buy headphones / music listening setup that is worth more than the car I use XD

At a similar rate, I would not invest in terms of investition, everything besides assets and raw gold degrades over time. That's the truth. We can live happily with it and enjoy this era of really cool gadgets!

Let's see XD

Car bought in 2006 for 20.000 USD, can now be sold for ~5000 USD. Real world usage is not shown, works exactly as new, many cool technological features, still no one would pay more for it.
(Average loss estimated at 15.000 USD for about 10 years.)

Laptop bought in 2016 for 4000$ will be worth ~300 USD in 4 years or so.
(Average loss estimated at 3700 USD for about 4 years)

Buying the next laptop equals another loss of 3700 USD over 4 years, and another ~2000.

Total laptop loss estimated over 10 years = 3700+3700+2000 = 9400$

This means that the total wasted amount of money from buying a car is much higher than the amount of money lost from a laptop. Almost 40% more money wasted when buying a somewhat acceptable car.

So... Yeah.



Houses don't degrade similarly, but they don't cost so little

At any rate, regardless of path taken, one should always pick the path that leads to love and happiness and forget about such things XD

 

That's why I said, "In my opinion..." My car was purchased in 2013 for $21500 and is worth $18700 to date.* I'll be selling it and purchasing the 2017 model year this upcoming March. My car has allowed me to earn nearly ten times its value through utility. It's an investment more so than anything.

Everything depreciates, but not at the same rate. The depreciative nature of a gaming laptop is horrific.

*No, I didn't finance it. But yes, if you're happy with $300/month for a laptop, by all means, go for it.

 

Depending on your laptop use, such as a work machine, it may generate much more than your car. I work from home and use my laptop for my job. All of my livelihood depends on my laptop. As such, it is worth much more to have less wait on opening files and programs, processing, etc. It all adds up to billables and happy clients...

So, yes, my laptop costs a lot and is worth it, to me, over my vehicle which fulfills my needs getting around town to do errands...

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Now we're talking about cars... This thread has really been a hell of a resource. I hope lurkers appreciate the vast knowledge shared here.

 

I'm referring to a gaming laptop used for its designated purpose as a gaming laptop. And as I said before, my initial statement was rhetorical.

I suppose if you're a professional gamer and do so for a living, it will be worth it. But these people are usually given systems from sponsors, so it's irrelevant to this discussion.

 

I have a gaming laptop used for work. If paying a couple hundred more over a standard business laptop gives more utility in both, so be it. I have a ZM (bought it right before taking the bar exam as my old laptop wasn't reliable). It also fulfills my hobby (which we all need). So it is the center of multiple parts of my life, which sounds sad saying out loud. But that is who I am. No shame...

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If you earn a living with a gaming laptop, I suppose it may be a wise investment. You are the exception.

I imagine 9/10 people whom purchase a gaming laptop do so to game. Financing something that will lose half of its value in less than 18 months time is not usually a wise investment.

 

I can totally relate to this XD

In the same boat XD

I wish that most people who buy such a killing machine do so to get work done, not just to play, but by all means, I need a laptop for almost all of my hobbies too, it kind of becomes one solution to solve all things, work, enjoyment, communication, like a single tool to do all XD

Well, I also need headphones for both music mastering and enjoyment XD

They say that if you do what you like, you do it well and make good money from it ^^!

 

I also don't finance and pay way more for a device that devalues in a certain amount of time. I pay it outright or wait until I can. It's about 60 hours, our one work week, to get a $2500 laptop. My work just is dependent on being contracted...

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How much money would you lost if you used same computer(working machine) for your work over a 10 years period before you changed?

 

I suppose, in the end, it all comes down to utility. Was naive of me to assume a gaming laptop only serves one purpose, especially since I'm a freelance developer & day trader myself.

But strictly speaking, for entertainment purposes, financing something of such depreciative nature... Not smart.

 

Depends on internet connection, lag in new programs, etc. I can't sit and wait on programs opening, the ram slowdown with having 120-300+ tabs to quickly flip between cases, databases, etc. It would add up and cost value to my clients. I've tried using an old HP with a P4 and 4 gigs of ddr2...

It would be a lot because I'd have to discount my billable hours or they may walk...

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LOL.

In theoretical calculus, you will loose more than it's actual price if your work depended on it.

For example, you are a designer or audio master, or artist.

And having an old machine either slows you down, or you can't complete tasks at all, you can actually lose money down the line.

I don't even remember that well what a 2006 PC could do. I think it ran most things just fine, but it struggled with some tasks along the way. All in all, I think a laptop would or computer would burn out in less than 6 years. There are cases where it won't but for me, it was the PSU that burned three times, then CPU died, in a time frame of 5-7 years, on a desktop.

What about 700 USD IEMs?

Or rather, 50.000 USD headphones, like Sennheiser Orpheus 2 ? XD

All things will lose value and die, all that matters is how much happiness they give us along the way. I just need a Samsung note phone right now. Because of the pen. It's value will degrade very very much over time, but if it gets my work done and I'm able to make triple it's price back because I was using it, and if it brings me happiness, it's a smart investment.

 

GUYS MOBILE PASCAL. Lol this is even farther off topic than when we were talking about games.

 

I think we pretty much know everything about the 10 series Pascal chips at this point.

LET'S MAKE A THREAD FOR THE 11 SERIES

 

Can we get back to talking about those Pascal Clevos now? They're more relevant to this thread than financing and depreciation

 

Love the European approach of use and happiness!!!

Edit: the us doesn't add enjoyment into utility equations, but it does have value!

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One of my old laptops was simulating networks for a guy taking the Cisco exams, let him outpace anyone else on the course

 

A car loses half it's value as soon as you sit inside the first time.

 

What a blanket statement.

 

Cars?

Hahaha. Here in Singapore, if you can afford a BMW/Merc/Audi, you can get a Lamborghini in the US. Cars here are 250% as expensive as in the US. My dad got his Civic 8th gen (Japanese metalwork - looks more like an Acura CSX than an American Civic) in 2007 for S$70000 or so - that's US$46600 with the 2007 exchange rate. We need to either pay $20000 to keep it after next August, or scrap it.

Edit: Back to Clevos - it's a nice surprise that the prices of new notebooks more or less match the previous gen - turns out the 1060 will replace the 960M after all. And for a 3x jump in one generation - that's one hell of an improvement.