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    Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by J.Dre, Oct 11, 2014.

  1. jaybee83

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    dude, i can only dream of achieving such feats when my dark knight turns 6! :D so no need for envy here ;)

    oh gawd, 5 flat was already finicky and unstable as heck! at 5.5 my machine would instantly explode :D

    highest ive seen thus far was like 5.1/5.2 @ajc9988 and he had a golden chip that he specifically hunted down to achieve that ;)

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    jaybee83, Dec 11, 2015
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    More Nvidia refreshes for Q1 2016: GeForce 920MX, 930MX and 940MX (should be basically 920M, 930M and 940M but with GDDR5).

    http://www.notebookcheck.com/Nvidia...0MX-930MX-und-940MX-im-Anmarsch.155883.0.html
    https://translate.google.com/transl...nd-940MX-im-Anmarsch.155883.0.html&edit-text=

    I wonder what all those refreshes mean for Pascal launch schedule.

    Somehow conspicuously GTX 970M and GTX 980M are about the only recent notebook GPUs that didn't get yet any refresh (yet we know they overclock well, so Nvidia must be at least tempted).
     
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    I also cherry picked the 920xm i have. Most cannot run 3.7ghz all cores stable under 100% load.

    All you have to do is sell and buy for same value. Basically a trade with a third party.

    Works well to keep costs to minimum or even zero :)

    Still though you have 1ghz on my chip and another 1.5ghz of performance improvements over the 920xm. I would have to clock to um...6.2ghz to have a chance haha

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    Nvidia milking money out of GM107 parts again; easy rebrands to get rid of excess stock from 750 Tis, 860Ms and 960Ms they didn't manage to sell, as well as high-leakage, low-value blocks of GM107.


    Edit: I bet some adventurous, tech-savvy guy who gets an ultrabook-esque notebook with a 930MX next year will attempt to OC and OV the GPU in his notebook next year, finding out that it can be boosted to 960M levels and will go 'hurr durr my low-power laptop is so powerful'. And then he'd melt his GPU because we all know the heat dissipation apparatus in such notebooks are crap.
     
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    business baby :cool:

    @King of Interns: cmon, u can do it! 6.21 FTW! :D

    wouldnt make sense for me to hunt down a golden sample, im hitting thermal limits at 4.8 already. even with lower stable voltage i could MAYbe hope to get 4.8 thermally stable and 4.9 stable at load but hitting thermal throttle. anything else above that is just to see the number pop up on the screen amd for that, 5ghz is already more than sufficient for kickass screenshots :cool:

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    Print them as a sticker and put it on your lid
     
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    LOL im almost inclined to do that HAHAHA :D love it!

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    jaybee83, Dec 11, 2015
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    Nevermind
     
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  9. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    It's winter in Germany... While below zero, go to somewhere where you can have the temp below 10C but higher than 0C on the CPU while overclocked idling, no speedstep (performance power setting)... Then see how far you can go... I bet you make 5!!!
     
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    I forgot to write this here earlier: A guy who seems to know a thing or two about upcoming cards from Nvidia said this:

    GTX 1080M: Full GM204. 145W TDP

    The rebrand shenanigans from Nvidia continues as usual :rolleyes:
    (as always take it with a grain of salt. I dont know this guy)
     
    Cloudfire, Dec 11, 2015
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  11. King of Interns

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    Nah impossible. 34x multi was practically on the edge of stability for a cpuz verification temps were not an issue when I tested.

    The cpu was running on about 1.45V. The M15x was not happy supplying that kind of voltage and often froze or bsod or grey screen lol

    What i need is the ability to fine tune the voltage. Something beyond my skills to solder in place

    Sucks if Nvidia rebrand Maxwell. No competition to stop them though.

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    King of Interns, Dec 11, 2015
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    Also known as GTX 980 for notebooks.

    I don't see them doing this. Makes no sense for next generation of desktop hardware to be Pascal and notebooks being left with rebrands of Maxwell. Mobile is too important for NVIDIA for that.
     
    Cakefish, Dec 11, 2015
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    They could rebrand in January and release Pascal in May/June time frame with no issue. Would be nice to have 940m with GDDR5 though. Love to have my Asus UX303LB with 940m with GDDR5, to give it a little bit of a boost.
     
    HTWingNut, Dec 11, 2015
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    :eek:

    if they do this, they better offer the 1080M in standard mxm format! :p
     
    jaybee83, Dec 11, 2015
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    If they do this, I am done buying gaming laptops.
     
    J.Dre, Dec 11, 2015
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    Didn't NVIDIA say somewhere through one of their reps that pascal was going to be all new?

    I'll have to dig.

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    NuclearLizard, Dec 11, 2015
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    i'm going to bail out of mobile extreme gaming with pascal. i'll probably get a beast desktop and then a thin laptop with bettery battery life and whatever the 1060m ends up being.

    cant build a desktop yet because two 980 tis in sli simply arent enough for 4k ultra 60 fps.
     
    Phase, Dec 11, 2015
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    Yeah. I'm happy with my 980 Ti on my 2560x1440 LCD. I'll upgrade GPU and to 4k when a single GPU can manage it. Which means probably 3-4 years. I'll probably be dead by then.
     
    HTWingNut, Dec 11, 2015
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    And when proper GPU finally comes out:
    [​IMG]
     
    PrimeTimeAction, Dec 11, 2015
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    You can make it, eat some olive oil, get some sleep, do some exercise...eek out those years! ;-)
     
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    sleep? exercise? You speaking French or something?
     
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    crazy kids and countless laptop reviews! :D
     
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    Haha, they can be a rare commodity!
     
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    Nvidia always rebrand the fastest mobile chip. A way to buy some time while finishing the final design and specs on the new card I think.

    GTX 580M > GTX 675M rebrand
    GTX 680M was the new architecture

    GTX 780M > GTX 880M rebrand
    GTX 980M was the new architecture

    GTX 980 > GTX 1080M rebrand
    GTX 1080MX is Pascal?

    A thing to notice is that between rebrands and the new cards there are usually just 2-4 months between
     
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  26. J.Dre

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    Can't believe they decided to go with the MX naming scheme. That's neat. Still 28nm?
     
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    I hope nvidia doesn't call the new GPUs 10xxM cos it sounds too long. I think they should call it XxxM cos then it keeps to the 3 characters and it sounds cooler like X80M instead of 1080M or GTX X80Ti instead of GTX 1080Ti.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 12, 2015
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    Same number of syllables (4) though?

    980M -> nine-eight-ee-em
    1080M -> ten-eight-ee-em

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  29. King of Interns

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    Seriously do we actually care lol!

    All i think matters is that Pascal aint a rebrand and runs cool! .. and runs in the M15x.

    Thats all

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    King of Interns, Dec 12, 2015
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    it's one character too long LOL

    so using the roman numeral for 10 would shorten it plus people my think the X means extreme :p

    it's called stylized naming :)
     
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    I'm still smiling at all those morons who spent $1900 on 990M pre-orders on eBay. :D

    PayPal is going to have some fun with those disputes.
     
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    maybe 990M was the desk 980 the whole time?
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    Even if it was, do you think that it would run in their (pre-orderers) current systems? I think not. Someone pulled an interest free loan, for a couple of months if you ask me.
     
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    What a great laptop - the M15x - running the latest GPUs like the 980M still!
     
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    ...and whooping current aw machines butts :D

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  36. King of Interns

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    Much to the bga owners dismay and denial!

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    King of Interns, Dec 13, 2015
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    i wonder if it is because the GPU is limited by the motherboard in some way?
     
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    its not the gpu, but rather the bga cpu thats limited in its tdp levels. power throttles no matter what u try to do in xtu or otherwise.

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  39. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Exactly, the BGA CPU's are a total fail... Hope Intel burns eventually for doing this!
     
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    and yet people who have BGA "gaming" laptops are blind to this....not to make this into another anti-bga thread.
     
    thegh0sts, Dec 13, 2015
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  41. sniffin

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    Not everybody is willing to base their purchasing decisions around a single feature. 90% of the time it's more GPU performance you need anyway, so people don't typically care about not producing excess heat for zero gain.
     
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    Deal with it.
    The mass doesnt care and its here to stay for mobile CPUs.

    Desktop motherboards is the only way around.
     
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  43. NuclearLizard

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    To be honest I haven't the foggiest idea the difference between BGA and non.

    Does it have a huge effect on system performance?

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    its not about the physical implementation, although that bothers me as well, being stuck with basically a nice looking paperweight, if one single component, such as the cpu or gpu, fails in a bga laptop.

    its rather the design of bga cpus, in that theyre severely limited in the way theyre allowed to "spread their legs", performance wise. they have been designed to have very little room to boosting and/or holding their clocks, thus theyre inferior to their socketed brothers at identical clocks even!

    sadly, this type of acceptance has given us 2015 laptops that perform on the same level as six year old machines, where one just swapped out the gpu... if we continue like this, we wont have any freedom of choice anymore whatsoever and will be forced to buy a new machine every year, even if its just about local storage or ram... i wouldnt want that!
     
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    Ahhh. It kinda sucks then because up where I am if you want a notebook you have to go with anything with BGA unless you find a clevo reseller with good prices.

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    NuclearLizard, Dec 13, 2015
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    my next laptop will definitely be a clevo one. my current alienware is great but it is getting held back by the fact that it has a digitally signed BIOS. I think there would be more potential power and control being unlocked if it wasn't digitally signed.

    things like better GPU compatibility and user fan control would definitely be things that would result in a modded BIOS.
     
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    Yeah, I'm waffling between clevo or msi, but I want to wait and see what the 1h of 2016 will bring.

    And with vr and 4k coming to the mainstream I find myself casting my eyes towards the sli machines. Lol

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  48. sniffin

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    I'd take a BGA Skylake over a six year old socketed processor anyday. If I wanted something old that I had to overclock the hell out of in order to match today's performance, all the while sucking power and dumping heat like crazy id buy desktop Bulldozer.

    Not to mention you basically are have to import laptops in order to get socketed CPUs in many countries now. Why would anybody bother?

    The hyperbole surrounding BGA on this forum is just ridiculous tbh.
     
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    Just buy a desktop mobo laptop. I know this is completely offtopic, but this is how I feel. I am completely ok with BGA in models that arent designed for performance. As in surface books, light 11-15inch laptops, cheapo 17inches etc. However, for performance laptops such as dell precision, I feel socketed is more appropriate.

    I simply dont care about battery life on a performance laptop. The battery is an extra 30min UPS. if you need good battery, you arent looking for a performance laptop.
     
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    @sniffin: ure exactly confirming my point :) freedom of choice has been severely limited now that u cant find any socketed hardware anymore. ure stuck with what u buy when u buy it and it makes ur machine disposable like a smartphone. one component fails, only choice left is get a new laptop. also, i dont see any good reason why intel would severely limit the bga cpus in their performance. its not about heat or energy consumption, thats for sure...

    sure, continue selling bga hardware, but dont force every single user out there to get bga by slamming the door completely shut on socketed hardware! every person has his / her preferences, so why force everyone to HAVE to "choose" bga? doesnt make sense...
     
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