Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

We simply like choice. You yourself say you now have to import if you want to get a decent socketed performance laptop.

Last time I checked choice for the consumer is a good thing. Why you have a problem with the people of "this forum" caring about having choice.

Particularly when we are a laptop enthusiast community this is an important issue for us. No hyperbole only concern.

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Well - the last (decent) Clevo with socketed processors (not GPU) are the W230S series, which have since been discontinued. Even the P6 series from Clevo are now BGA, but they're extremely popular.

It's not like users and potential purchasers of laptops are given any sort of choice by Intel, so arguing this here is moot. We aren't going to get rPGA again, whatever anyone may think.

We have no choice but to stick with what Intel gives us (forget AMD, I have no idea what they're doing on the CPU side now) and it's not like the vocal cries of a few power users on a few online forums will change the minds of Intel executives. Hence, 95% of 'gaming' laptops will be BGA - we have no choice, once again. We have to deal with it, and move on.

Asking those who want to purchase a gaming laptop to immediately get the Clevo P870DM is, to be honest, narrow-minded - not everyone (for example, me) wants a huge, fire-breathing laptop with turbojet engines for cooling fans. Also, not everyone has enough money to cough up for such an overpowered beast.

To be honest, though - every laptop I've owned has been an rPGA laptop, from my 'ye olde ThinkPad T61' with a Nehalem Core 2 Duo, to my sister's Samsung RF411 with an i7-2630QM (severely under-rated CPU) and now my W230SS with a 4710MQ.

 

I agree to some extent, it's the BGA and non-upgradeability of the GPU that grinds my gears, I'm less concerned by a BGA CPU.

 

Wrong. The Clevo P750ZM is pretty delicious. 15" single gpu with desktop cpu.

It is Clevo sure but you don't have to go for the P897DM monster to get replaceable cpu and gpu.

 

with "decent" i think he meant "decently portable" hes more of a 13/14 inch kinda guy to each his own!

i would LOVE to have a 13/14 incher with desktop cpu, iGPU, thunderbolt port for eGPU options and m.2 only for storage! (and, of course, all socketed hardware)

 

The P750ZM might just be my new laptop I can transfer SSD, HDD, RAM even the gpu and wifi into it! Just get a good old update in the CPU department!

 

id LOVE to welcome you into the original batcave, but why wouldnt u go for a P750DM instead? or the wingman? or the phoenix?

 

By 'socketed' I meant rPGA, not LGA.

 

Very sorry! rPGA isn't exactly the definition of socketed

 

It does seem like NVIDIA will be re-branding the mobile GPU's for early 2016. AMD is reporting delays in HBM2 that may extend until Q2 before mass production of their GPU's. If this is true, then NVIDIA also has to wait. Why, why, why. Just give us HBM!

It's like these guys didn't prepare for it, lol.

"Oh, we need HBM?"
"Yeah, for six months from now."
"Well, uh, where do we start?"
"I don't know. Let's call AMD and find out."

 

There's so much information on the web about HBM. Who knows what's actually going on. Most of the "sources" are not direct from any specific company, but rather from people who signed an NDA and violated it. So, even that may be false or misinformation. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

Since 970m/980m already have GDDR5, they probably wont rerelease those right ?

 

considering how much ocing potential both cards have and the fact theyre lacking a lot of power phases....
do the math: theres a 30-40% gap between 980M and 980, same goes for 970M to 980M. oc both 970M and 980M by 15% each, slap on an additional power phase for each and bam, u got urself a "new gen" of cards without the 980 desktop being threatened

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Oh yes please. a 980MX as a failsafe in case nothing else fits

 

Round it up to 20% and slap on some HBM and thats it until 2017.

Lets face facts! If AMD are out of mobile what is the hurry....why should nvidia hurry pascal when maxwell can be milked!

Remember 680MX came out before the 680M and it was basically a 780M! That was when AMD still bought out the then competitive 7970M. Now go figure...

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ah well, fine by me tbh. more time to enjoy my dark knight and not having to worry about the next gpu upgrade

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... what?
And even then, it was only for an iMac (no laptops), and it had a l ower core clock speed than the GTX 780m. In CUDA cores and memory clock speed it was the same, though.

 

So she the desktop Pascal cards confirmed for Q1 2016?

 

as far i read latest rumors only high end cards will use HBM2(GDDR6) and midrange gpu's will be still on GDDR5 which is going probably to be that way cause nvidia wont rush with HBM2 so that they dont cut price off to much with cards with GDDR5

 

We may not see HBM2 in mobile chips until 2017. Looks like desktop GPU's will have first dibs during the summer of 2016 (best case scenario).

Doesn't matter much, though. I don't think the next mobile chips will be a complete re-brand. It may be Pascal & GDDR5X.

 

So wait, when is Pascal rumored to be launching in desktop cards?

 

Probably around May or June

 

Why not? They are sockets meant for the mobile market. What everyone has been fussing about here is the disappearance of rPGA socketed CPUs, not LGA. LGA (until the P750ZM) was desktop-exclusive and its appearance in laptops has been only thanks to Clevo.

I excluded them because those laptops are exceptionally heavy and large and you must agree - the LGA socket is very big (relative to rPGA).

Also, apparently QM/MQ processors can hold their clocks and are more stable than their respective BGA variants. Can ask @D2 Ultima all about it.

This sort of implies that the 1000 series would be similar to the 800 series - a bit of GM107 for the 1020 to 1040, a bit of GM204 for the 1050, 1060 and (perhaps) 1065, and GPwhatever for the 1070/1080 (M variants included).

 

I think this will happen too, Pascal + GDDR5X for the mobile chips.

 

So there's this..

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-920-mx-930-mx-940-mx-mobility-gpu-gddr5-maxwell-2-0/

Let's hope this doesn't spell a MX refresh for high end chips

 

I never denied that. I agree completely with you on all points except for the fact that a socket is a socket big or not at least we still have that option.

Also desktop chips are getting more power efficient. Perhaps in time if clevo continue to use them the laptops wont need to be any chunkier than their mobile brethren.

If you look at how things have improved since say Nehalem. Desktop chips routinely (high performance ones) needed 130W tdp now dropped to 88W tdp. Pretty big improvement. Hopefully that will be reduced to 60W in good time.

I hope so because Intel don't add much performance to each generation. Only crappy igpu, 5-10% performance and better efficiency.

Did you consider that?

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oh gawd, cant stress how MUCH i hate this strategy by intel! weve had like 28% IPC improvement going from sandy bridge to skylake (thats 7% per cpu arch, mind you *ugh*), but on the other hand a friggin +786% in igpu performance, who the heck needs that?!?!?

 

Imagine they just cut out the igpu part! Sure they improved the igpu alot but so have nvidia and amd... means igpus are still crap.

Well I have the last mobile chip that came without! So much easier with no optimus to enduro

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Low-end chips are almost always "refreshes" with minimal gains. Those cards aren't targeted for performance. They just need to have an edge of iGPU's.

 

As I just "stumbled" over this thread and therefore missed the 90 pages before: Do we have some info's, if Pascal will maintain MXM 3.0b and 100w? Or will it be MXM 3.0c (or 4) with more Wattage OR will the development go in direction of Desktop-/Laptopcards like the GTX 980?

Sorry, I am the N00bian here!

Edit: Or will it be all soldered BGA(crap)?

 

I have been following this thread from beginning and even i dont have any idea what Nvidia plans to do.
But again I am not a smart man.

 

no idea yet ^^ concerning mxm, it would be the laptop manufacturer's decision, since the mxm cards are produced by them (msi, dellienare, clevo, asus).

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MXM is solely the electrical interface, signals and the physical edge connector, correct?

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i was talking about the mxm form factor board standards @ 3.0b etc, but yeah, in principle youre correct

 

MXM is more than an electrical interface. Its a symbol of freedom and liberty, a matter of life and death to us here at NBR. And we will defend it till our dying breath.

 

It was a technical question, not a spiritual one. However, I agree.

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Couldn't say it better

+rep...

@Mr. Fox your comments plz

 

He gave us a symbol!

 

LOL, its MXM-Man!

 

said with pure ignorance!

 

Dramatic, but true!

 

Okay, I just was wondering about this one:

Spoiler: Tiny little cute graphics card

It's probably artwork, isn't it?

 

That is supposedly the new nvlink desktop card.

Completely chock full of chips. It had better have good cooling cause that will give out ALOT of heat over a small MXM sized area.

 

Man that thing is dense full of chips

 

Stating the obvious. The sentence was ended with a question mark. This indicates lack of knowledge about the topic, or ignorance.

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Without getting too lengthy, MXM defines pretty much everything, while leaving some freedom here and there. That's why the "desktop" 980 is a complete POS in my opinion. Very ASUS-like implementation - no two similar designs as well as different performance versions... nothing even remotely close to desktop (the only exception is P870DM, and this is in terms of performance). Can you use the GPU in anything but the laptop it is designed for? NO! Pointless, pointless and again pointless. Just like one-hit-wonder-band, it might entertain you for a bit, but after a while, everyone would forget about it. Not far off the locked BGA crap that we have to deal with today. They better come up with something better when they release Pascal, something more standardized. They obviously can talk with the ODMs.

 

Two words: Wood screws.

(some of you old timers may get the reference, maybe)

 

Desktop 980 was filler until Pascal hits us in the face in six months.

 

Ah okay, Wood screws then!