Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Overall I agree, just couple points I want to make.

GP100 Tesla with HBM2 wont be coming until at least august due to HBM2 mass production until 2H 2016 and I imagine quite a bit of QA is needed for Tesla compare to Geforce.
Whats likely is going to happen is a GP104 GDDR5X based Tesla in April/May. Followed by a crippled GP100 Tesla with HBM2 in August/September. A launch of titan pascal is likely next year March to May, it follows Nvidia big die launching time frame and it makes sense.

GP106 is probably going to focus on power consumption. I imagine with the heat density on 16nm finfet with TSMC's yield, the first gen is more likely to be 10% below 980m than above. Just a more conservative estimate on that.

Agreed on GP104 card at Q3. It makes sense to launch a Geforce Product sometimes shortly after polaris' line launch to gauge whats need to defeat AMD. I would imagine by Q3, there is enough binned Tesla GP104 nvidia can afford to launch a Geforce. I am not sure about the CLC requirement on stock. Thats not the style of nvidia, I can see a crippled GP104 flagship though if the yield is really that bad.
I somehow doubt GP104 will be running HBM2 either, nvidia needs them for their cash cow.

 

Yeah the only part I disagree is the CLC, since nVidia has an image to preserve, and strapping on a CLC basically sends the message "our card RUNS ASS HOT and can't be cooled using normal means". Although that said, those who bashed the CLC on Fury X seemed to be pretty happy when it was rumored that Pascal would use a CLC, so nVidia could probably pull it off because there are just too many braindead rabid fanbois.

 

Maybe they are pushing for fanless designs so that they can fit into Ultrabooks.

 

So even the mobile GP106 wont beat GTX 980 desktop (for example the one in P870DM)?

If this is the case then for me the main question is how likely is the P870DM (its custom MXM or even standard one for 980m) be compatible with GPUs 3 / 4 years down the line (pascal or volta). If it is likely to be compatible then i think the best option to get one now and wait for pascal to mature and then upgrade. If not then i dont know what to do.

To be honest iam leaning more and more towards a desktop now. Even if pascal/nnvlink needs new motherboard, it will still be better then seeing your entire laptop becoming obsolete in 1 year.

 

Its likely, depending on how nvidia handles MXMs. Either way, you got the TB3 port.

nvlink is not going to take off ever in consumer....

 

TB3 means external GPU, which is not ideal.
But if its MXM is likely to be supported in future then I think its the best strategy.

 

If you are planning on a small size desktop, its really thats not much of a difference.

 

It is a very big difference for me. Having a desktop means that it will be tied up in one place in my house. Normally my laptop keeps moving in the house. The last desktop I had a was a PIII with 16MB chipset card. After that it has all been desktop replacement laptops for me.

And if I do go the desktop route, it will not be small. It will be mid/full tower (probably Lian Li PC 08) with 980TI (probably kingpin) and maybe custom water cooled CPU and GPU. I mean if I have to get tied up to one place, why not go all out.

 

Actually, it's a huge difference

That's my major complaint about eGPU. You have an expensive box, high end GPU, and probably an expensive external monitor hooked up to the box, an external keyboard and mouse, and none of it is useful without the laptop plugged in.

You could have a fully functional 2nd computer hooked up with all those goodies, and have a 2nd screen laptop that runs independent of the desktop computer.

After spending $300+ for the eGPU box, $600+ for the 980ti - or $1000+ for a new Pascal top end GPU, and $500+ for the monitor, you have invested more than enough for a computer with those parts.

Why force your laptop into service as a desktop, when you can have a desktop and a laptop as independent computers?

File sharing? Seems like overkill to me. You won't be installing games on the laptop if it's gonna be a 6500u low power cpu, you can save the space there and install games in the desktop.

If you are want a skinny laptop to carry around, then take the savings between what it costs and a full gaming laptop, and invest that in a CPU/memory/disk for your desktop parts.

Nothing has changed really, it's just that the eGPU math helps define what we already know

 

You're all making wild assumptions...

I'd be shocked if GP106 wasn't faster than 980M.......when overclocked.....

 

I was thinking of an matx small box. I am originally planning on a pair of 980 ti with a 5960x on a small box. I was thinking on the line of portable desktop but somehow I couldnt find a easy way to move a large 30+inch monitor.

Does TB3 based eGPU still need a new monitor? I am not sure about that.

 

10% faster than 980m = still slower than GTX 980 desktop.

 

A lot of articles are saying about nvidia launching something in april-may.

As for GP106, maybe overclocked. Probably not stock?

I will laugh nvidia is gonna brand GP106 as x080m. If thats the case, yeah probably. Which would be very sad.....

 

FinFets hit high clocks... Very high clocks...

 

Yes. Monitor + keyboard+ mouse throws a wrench when into considering any desktop (be it be a mATX or ITX) portable. Plus you cant exactly put a desktop on you lap or bed while doing casual stuff.

 

Don't new architectures for nvidia usually give about a 20 to 30 percent performance increase? Historically speaking, I have no idea about Pascal though.

 

I guess I was more thinking of performance in terms of branding...
A performance of 10% ahead of 980m is enough to rebrand it as x080m.
And launch the GP104 as a "desktop" card later with an huge premium.
I really think the performance depend on what nvidia's branding decisions for GP106 will be. If it is 1060m, it might decide to leave some room for GP104. If it is 1080m, then well...
Either way, I guess it depends on how well GP106 performs and if nvidia wants to make room for GP104.

Do you know anything about GP102 or just some rumor made by rumormills?

 

oh he knows he just cant tell explicitly only via rumor-style talk

 

GPU Technology Conference is in April. We'll know more then.

 

I havent been keeping up with nvidia's stuff lately. Had a bit of schoolwork and a sci fi series to read. And that sci fi was amazing despite my not so good Chinese. All I heard about it was that it may be used as a consumer card for titan series if the yield on GP100 was terrible. Which lead nvidia to milk pascal for probably 3 gens.

Either that or GP102 is a version of GP100 used for gaming and GP100 itself is a pure computing die for pro market only. Or they are flipped.

Edit: I think the second one is much more possible.

 

More interesting news comrades! Seems like AMDs release of Polaris in April-May may have forced Nvidia to release their Pascal on mobile in June before desktop!

http://videocardz.com/58338/nvidia-pascal-to-be-unveiled-at-computex-2016

 

HA!

NAILED IT on the TSMC might fail us once again bit.

 

you mean this bit from the link ?
"However if any difficulties are met on new TSMC 16nm FinFET process, this launch could transform to ‘paper launch’."

 

yeah that part

 

Ok, but that parts a given right ? If the manufacturer fails to deliever, it can be delayed. Thats what that part basically said right ?

 

lol, oh PLEASE let it be a paper launch and let AMD kick nvidia´s ass oh that would be so wonderful for the upcoming 1-2 years at least, in terms of competition and consumer choice

 

Well if I'm not mistaken, AMD's high end Polaris parts would also use TSMC, and only the low-mid range GPUs actually use Samsung's 14nm process. So a TSMC fail would impact both red and green unfortunately.

 

This isn't good if AMD switched... As it stands right now, AMD would be in a better position in the short term........ At least Samsung and GloFo have tested processes unless this means that Samsung killed the US Exynos because of yield which bodes terribly for us all... Including those of us upgrading phones this year, even the iPhone 7. If there is an issue with 14nm LPP, its not good for anyone.

Edit: wow... So for those of you comparing the scores of the Snapdragon 820 vs the new Exynos 8890... The SD820 is a quad core...

Looks like TSMC is on top this time... I only heard of one delay and it doesn't affect consumers but the Exynos 8890 and to a lesser extent, the 820, have issues... This doesn't look good for AMD 14nm LPP when Samsung had to basically concede defeat to the quad core Snapdragon using their same process.

Things might be shaking up... And not in AMD's favor. Not to say that nVidia isn't having issues either.

 

From Sweclockers original post:

Still an anonymous source but they´ve had correct info before.

 

Cant wait for more. You think Nvidia would feel concerned if there is an delay ? Or perhaps they are still sitting on their high horse and just brushing it off.

 

nVidia could release another 480 and it would still sell out within minutes. So no nVidia isn't concerned at all.

I'd say at this point AMD would have to deliver more performance at literally half the price before people would even consider them. Sad state of affairs but that's just reality.

 

If AMD launches mobile in April/May and Pascal isn't until October people will buy it, if the OEM's offer it. I think there are a lot of people like me who have been waiting since last summer for a refresh/new cards from Nvidia and are sick of waiting.

 

I'm not entirely sure about that. If AMD delivered flagship performance I would be willing to pay flagship prices.

 

I would have to agree. It's the performance after all, within heat specs, reliable, and with good driver support for new games ongoing.

It would be worth comparable price/performance, but it would be nice if they would come in a little cheaper, as the high end is a little over priced as exists now.

With 2 makes at the same performance range, dropping prices should start happening.

 

Would it be worth it to upgrade from GTX 980Ti to GP100(Titan if reasonably priced or else 1080Ti)?
For gaming on 1440p all settings max(including AA)

 

I need more money for all this technology coming out this year! I've just bought a Galaxy S7 and now I've got a save up for a new laptop haha oh my poor bank balance

 

LG G5 better

 

nexus 6p ftw

 

I heard that has it has a very weak chassis. I own Nexus 5x and One m9 btw. On topic - to 1080Ti(when u own 980Ti) or not to 1080Ti -That is the question.

 

meh, mate 8 king of the hill biatches

but nice to see we all agree

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I have a Nexus 5X as well - I love it. Rooted, TWRP recovery, Pure Nexus ROM and ElementalX Kernel. Super smooth, pretty good battery life, great overall.

I have a 980Ti already so I probably won't 1080Ti - I doubt it will be that big of an upgrade.

 

Well, I'd be happy to discuss this with you over in the smartphone section of these forums, don't want to fill this thread with too much off-topic discussion. There's many reasons why I personally preferred what Samsung has to offer this year

The fact that I already have three really good SSDs in my P651SG means I will be able to spend less this time around. Hopefully I can get away with only £1200ish maximum. I would need to get the top Pascal GPU though, that's just who I am

 

"NVIDIA Pascal to be unveiled at GTC in April" - Source



Hope so. Makes sense to me. We'll see soon enough!

I can't believe it's almost March already... What the hell happened with time?

 

keynotes together with a guy from toyota, yay....so its gonna be all about automated cars and their computing power, boooooooring

 

I'm sure NVIDIA will be speaking about the future of autonomous vehicles, but you may have noticed they are speaking two days apart. We should hear something about gaming as well from NVIDIA since they have two full days.

 

so say the show off the new titan, how long till its available to buy? titan x was out pretty soon after it was announced...

 

too many "ifs" involved to make any such statement with any degree of certainty...lets wait and see

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If they don't have a functional demo by GTC, then they probably won't release / launch Pascal desktop until late June or early Q3. However, if they do present the next "Pascal" Titan, then they have likely entered mass production and will ship/sell them within days after the official announcement.

Let's just hope they have a functional demo and no more "mock-ups" using Maxwell.

 

just got the 6p myself

 

In other words and to answer the titular question: still not very much after 135 pages