Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

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so a 1080m is just as fast as 980m sli? Ill never believe it !

 

LOL

 

IF that one is correct, it means that Clevo P870 owners with GTX980 desktop can safely skip one generation?

Also, I seem to not understand, on the left it is price ratio or performance ratio ?

 

I doubt this is true, its showing the 1080m being 30%+ more powerful than the desktop 980. Its possible, but I doubt it

 

Actually, if you read it sideways, it shows that GTX980 is 270% of GTX860m while 1080m is 300%. Sadly this does not mean that 1080m standalone is 30% faster, because we are comparing it to a GTX860M being 100%.

This all translates that if a GTX980 is 100% then GTX1080M is 111%. This means that it is around 11% faster than GTX980.

Almost like they have not even tried. I mean, come on, even if it runs on solar energy, it still is not very convenient.

Anyways that cute drawing only indicates a steep rise in price and a very small rise in power. I really hope it is a bad joke.

 

Yuan, not yen. Yuan converts fine. I can read the mandarins if anyone have questions.

 

I apologize for my mistake in converting currencies. I thought those were Yen.

You don't seem the least bothered by the fact that that photo would indicate a rise in price of around 25% for a rise in performance of 11%.

 

Where did they guarantee 2 cycles? I wanna see the receipts!

If we can't upgrade to Pascal, the revolution will be televised.

 

IF Nvidia does not abandon MXM standards, and they don't change them, there should be nothing stopping those 2 cycles.

 

Wouldn't be hard to beat the desktop 980. The 980M is already within 30% of it, so I wouldn't be surprised if the 1080M beat it. Not even a tiny bit.

As a matter of fact, I'd say if it didn't, wow... What a failure NVIDIA would be.

 

Meh, so much for 'Pascal will be 2x as powerful as Maxwell' - then why's the GTX 1060M only 75% more powerful than the 860M? At the rate I've OCed my GPU, I'll literally only see a 50% improvement, which, to be honest, isn't much at all.

 

Here is a neat thing about chinese prices, they are inflated after import tax/etc. Chinese pricing include tax. So it wont be 5k yuan in (raw pricing)

And still thats correspond to roughly 980m pricing in usd.

 

So, going off that table, with the 100% performance baseline being the 960M, then the 1080M is only 41% faster than the 980M - that's pretty poor, nothing to get excited about at all!!! How valid & accurate do you think this leaked table is Cloudfire, and maybe I should ask where it came from?

 

Really? coming from having an 880m, it will be over twice as powerful, doesn't sound bad to me at all.

 

Well, the 1080M is about 80% faster than your 880M according to that table, so that's more of a worthy upgrade, but not absolutely huge! It depends what your expectations & requirements are, for instance when I upgraded my laptop from a 560M to an overvolted & overclocked 670MX I got over 200% increase in performance - now that was worth it, and could certainly feel a massive difference in games!

EDIT: and to keep it in perspective, this is just all based on whether that info in Cloudfire's table is valid/accurate or not.

 

Like all these chinese leaks, I have no idea if its legit or not.

About 15-20% faster than GTX 980 like this leak shows is on the conservative side and close to what I think is real. TDP of GTX 1080M is back to 100W and its beating a 165W GPU, I dont think we can expect much more.
That will put it very close to GTX 980Ti performance which I think is typical to these new architectures and node shrinks.

GTX 680M was maybe slightly slower than GTX 580 too if I remember right.

 

I mean, all would be nice and relaxed if we would know if Nvidia was going to push a GTX1080 desktop for laptops, as they did with 980. IF they don't, that 11% better does not mean anything to me.

In fact, I think it is even worse, given that this new shiny 1080m will be included with BGA laptops, and worse hardware performance wise than Clevo P870 with desktop 6700k. Considering the overall perfromance, and that we can oc GTX980 desktop, I was expecting 1080M with all the new shrink and such to be able to pull at least a clear 35-50% over a desktop GTX980. And to leave some space for oc.

 

How does the rumoured PS4 Neo compare to the 980M? Will it be necessary to upgrade to the 1080M to stay ahead of console quality graphics?

 

The thing is:
GTX 980 is 165W. It was a last attempt at milking the market. They have never done 165W GPUs before. Traditional 100W limit said Nvidia couldnt get any more performance out of Maxwell than GTX 980M. So they instead increased max wattage to overcome this. If GTX 980 was a 100W GPU, we would have seen a much bigger increase with GTX 1080M.

Now they move down again. To 100W. So naturally they have to sacrifice performance.
Wouldnt surprise me to see a 165W full GTX 1080 later, but I think the best option for Nvidia is getting 100W out first, since thats a power limit that most notebook OEMs can put in their notebook. 165W GPUs require much more beefy cooling systems and bigger PSUs and maybe bigger cases. That cost money to make. Which increase the cost for us customers, which scare potential customers away to desktops and such.

 

To me I'm not surprised by the performance gains. I think they are actually what I expected. There's some of you that are disappointed but you got to remember. I'm sure they won't be using hbm2. It's GDDR5 and/or both GDDR5.
If they won't use hbm2 for consumers in pascal. I don't think we will see pascals true power until Probably the last iteration before Volta imo. That's how they milk it.
The card that surprises me most was to see where the GT 1040m was especially how puny the upgrade has been since 640m


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What would be the chance for me being able to upgrade from 870m to 1080m?
If they still use MXM 2.0, I guess my P157SM-A can handle the power consumption and heat

 

As long as mounting holes and heatsinks are common and there is an appropriate official or third party BIOS to allow it, shouldn't be a problem. And it would be MXM 3.0b

 

And I'm sitting here with a 460M waiting for the pascal 1080M or whatever it is called to drop in. I'm going to be pleasantly shocked, aren't I? Glorious!

 

Glad to hear that and I can't wait to see the real 1080M. When it comes out, I am gonna upgrade both my CPU and GPU to 4930MX and hopefully the 1080M So excited about it.

And yeah, my bad. MXM 3.0b

 

Most likely will do this again. What business wouldn't want to sell one product in two different markets? Only makes sense.

 

Chinese sauces didn't come through on that 970MX 980MX leak, I dunno anymore

 

lol I know.
They are highly unpredictable

GTX 1080 is confirmed with GDDR5X. I hope mobile 1080M get it too

 

When you compare TDP with the 1080M being a 'mere' 100W then the performance of the 1080M is put in a brighter perspective, although the fact remains that it's only 40 odd percent faster than the 980M - I kinda wish they'd retained an approx 120W TDP and gone for greater performance rather than limiting it to 100W.

 

Considering 1080M is the high end, and it is dedicated to gamers, I wish it was a 200W GPU coming with a new beefed up cooling solution.

I mean, we could, for once have a larger margin between mid end and high end. GTX 1060M could be like 100W, 1070M could be like 150W and 1080M like 200W. Because that way it would really rock out mobile gaming world.

If you are asking me personally, that +3db of noise and +500 grams of cooling beef are totally worth the jump in power.

I seriously wish that the main GPU producer for the entire world, on who all technology depends would not be so highly unpredictable.

I seriously think that the main GPU producer for the entire world should be highly predictable and we could fully understand all things, and their technical specifications would make more sense. . Has anyone ever made sense of their marketing - induced specs ? I don't remember there being a consistency between benchmark results and their given specs for each GPU.

 

http://wccftech.com/geforce-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-launching-6th-may-market-june/

May 6th it is... Seems like 1080 will be the top of the range GPU for a while... Ti and Titan not before Q1 '17 because of HBM2
Nothing regarding mobile gpu's though

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If the PS4 Neo release date is Oct 2016, by that time AMD would have got a Polaris chip, maybe Polaris10 depending on the Sony's deal but I think they will be faster than a 980M by at least 15-20%..this time consoles might be faster than notebook high end prev gen only because of the highest node shrink advantage..., And maybe in 2017 there should be an upgraded 1080mx with a GDDR5X And/OR a beefier 1080 HBM2/GDDR5X with 200W, those will be better options to upgrade rather than the gen1.

 

Man, I just bought this OUTDATED beast in my sig....Well I don't see any mention of mobile so I don't have that much remorse..

 

hmmm, 40% faster than 980M stock vs stock and less than 20% difference when compared with oced 980M... nah, im skipping this round

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Coming from a 680m, this will be a pretty large increase in performance, yes? Or should I just go for the 980 right now?

 

If it is 40% faster than a 980M, I will buy the Pascal mobile chip in a heart beat without even looking at Polaris. I think this round of upgrade from both parties will involve bringing VR to the mobile platforms.

 

moot point if ure not interested in VR

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VR is already on mobile platforms , my 980m sli rocks VR like its nothing. Couple that with VR sli and you are set. Plus the 980 mobile is also VR ready. The point is, no game out there requires more power than what we have today. I game at 1080p, I'm set for a while. It's not like the 2000s where games really pushed hardware upgrade cycles. If you are a 4K fanatic, I see some more value, but I would look at desktop systems at that point

 

If I had a 980M, I wouldn't buy the next card unless it's 50% or more in real world performance.

We all know the 1180M will be more than 980M SLI performance wise. They're miking the first iteration of this new generation.

 

btw, no way in hell is the 1080M gonna be more expensive than the 980 mobile! if thats the case, then nvidia will have a rebellion on their hands, especially with mobile polaris around the corner!

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Agreed wholeheartedly. If Pascal/Polaris was not around the corner, I would've grabbed a 980M sli clevo without even thinking. But I'm happy playing the waiting game till July and it'll help me save some more for the ultimate laptop.

 

I agree. But I'm sitting here with a 460M as my main "gaming" system.

Nobody milks money as good as nVidia and Apple imo. Rebranding last-gen tech with a fancy name and no substance and selling it to unsuspecting customers is such a shame and should be illegal. Hell I would've bought a 980M if Pascal was not the new iteration of nVidia cards. If Polaris provide better price/performance value, I'll switch onto the red team in a jiffy. nVidia providing crippled drivers is quite frankly unethical and unacceptable.

 

Well, I'd upgrade if I were in your position (and you can afford it). You don't have a 980M, so you don't apply to what I was saying.

How have you lived with a 460M so long? Wow. The 960M was the lowest I've had.

 

It's happening!

 

Yup, countdown for this Friday: http://orderof10.com/humanityshallbeenlightened

There is supposed to be Nvidia event for journalists then:

http://videocardz.com/59517/nvidia-teases-geforce-1000-series-with-order-of-10-campaign

 

Looks like they are only launching desktop cards. I'm betting it will be a while till the M series comes out and makes it into laptops

 

Well, I had a serious transition phase in my life (late 20's-early 30's settlement stuffs) and fell out of gaming for about 4 years. Only thing I played sparsely was CS and CS-GO and was happy with the 460M. Now that the VR is here and I'm much more settled financially and work/travel wise, I plan to come back to the enthusiast PC market/gaming with a vengeance. Just got me a Mionix Castor and a Thrustmaster T300 in anticipation of the new and exiting times ahead. Roll on Pascal!

 

I have literally no idea what that is, or what it is about.

 

Well, either way, I just hope that after they go in, someone will have a reliable bench score.

And side information, like, to avoid gtx970 vram problems.