Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

I always jump on second iterations, unless my laptop is falling apart. This 980M is still playing most games at 1080p and Ultra anyway. I need a 2-3x performance leap to upgrade.

2017 will be my year.

 

Any news on a mobile release? I bought my 960m laptop with plans to replace it as soon as Pascal launches with a 1070m or equiv. I really want a thinner/lighter 1070m laptop with discrete switching and possibly g-sync. Unless AMD releases some good Polaris action.

 

http://orderof10.com/humanityshallbeenlightened
http://orderof10.com/temporalshards

Almost there...

 

I highly doubt you will see a mobile launch this week, they barely made the timing to get the 1080 and 1070 out. Even if they do launch a 1080/1070M, you wont see it in notebooks for a couple of months.

 

Actually, on that logic, 980 is the last iteration on Maxwell, so you should be really happy with it.

You would not believe how much I wish that AMD would bring anything relevant to the table.

I think I agree with you. But there is still hope. Most stores seem to try to sell their 9XX gen GPU based laptops with a reduced price these days.

 

I think that's a wise decision. They rarely have more than 3 iterations, and Volta will likely be 2019 due to delays. If you buy the 1180M next year, it should last 2+ years for sure.

 

If you're talking about the 980 mobile, it requires the purchase of a whole new laptop, so nah, I wouldn't be happy with it.

 

See here:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-starts-the-hype-teases-pascal-with-order-of-10-puzzle.html

EDIT: Haha, I quoted the wrong post of yours, it was the one before that I meant to quote where you didn't understand the weird puzzle link.

 

yeah well, had to do some reading first as well before i understood that weird website

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Order of 10.... percent... improvement...

 

yeah right, ill believe it when i see it @+100%

or they mean only 10%

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Nvidia and their gimmicks.

When do ODM get GPU sample for their engineering and testing. Is it before launch or after?

 

GTX980 Desktop for laptops.

It is MXM in most cases, so you can get a laptop like P870 from Clevo, and upgrade to what comes later. Only thing needed is that they will keep MXM standards. Which is most probable.

 

I have hopes that they will receive these soon.

In Romania, at least, all GTX9xx based laptops are slowly decreasing in price, and have been for a while, I guess that we are going to see a pascal for laptops soon.

 

Though, something that really scares me is that Acer is just right now pushing laptops with GTX980 Desktop, named Predator 17X.

I am really afraid that Pascal mobile will either be very weak, or very far.

Thinking about it, a laptop making company has the total rights to request information from nvidia to find out such things. If Acer decided to just push Predator 17X in June, I am almost 100% sure that there is something we are missing from the picture.

 

might just be that acer is preeeetty late to the game

 

Mobile will just not be here until at least end of this year...

 

Here is my prediction:

Nvidia GTX 1080: May 2016 = 25% faster than 980Ti

AMD Polaris 11: May/Jun 2016 = Will compete with GTX 960

AMD Polaris 10: May/Jun 2016 = between GTX 980 and 980Ti but much smaller die (could beat 980Ti if HBM1)

AMD Vega (full HBM2): Early 2017 = Will beat GTX 1080. Could be top performer throughout 2017.

Nvidia Pascal GP100 (full HBM2) : Early /mid 2017: Will compete with AMD Vega (but i feel Vega will perform better due to DX12 / Vulcan)

 

What about mobile pascal? Lol

 

Unfortunately many laptops with upgradeable mxm 3.0B slots have proven difficult to upgrade to a newer gen card.

Remarkably few current mxm based laptops will accept the next gen pascal and polaris chip even if MXM is used.

In fact I am counting on this to shift my 980M to someone with such a machine that wont like the newer gen so I can upgrade myself

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We're talking about the same card. If I wanted a 980, my only choice would be to buy an entire new laptop along with it, a $3k laptop at that. That would not make me happy or content, as I want a card which will fit in my existing laptop.

Thus, second gen of mobile Pascal is my preferred choice.

And technically, the GTX 980 is from the same Maxwell generation as the 980M.

 

I think we will not see much action in mobile. I feel we will get a 1080m soon but it will not be anything exciting. Maybe between GTX 980 and 980TI. I feel mobile polaris 10 and 1080m will compete with each other with +-5%. In the long term AMD will start wining more.
Please note this is just my feeling and pure speculation.

 

If that turns out to be the case, it would be extremely exciting in my book. Hasn't been any serious competition in the flagship mobile GPU space for years.

 

Okay somewhat a different space but How about ASync compute / And the real DX12 H/W support is it there on Pascal ? Are they still going for it or as-usual PR B$, false advertising a.k.a Firmware based DX12 ?
Extremetech article suggests even if they get this Async compute executed properly they cannot get a real DX12 like the GCN and they are still CPU dependent and the tech is still in development at that time of writing...

Even though at this timeframe the AMD DX12 boost is nothing compared to Nvidia's DX11 perf & the WDDM2.0 mafia tech from Winblows blockade also the hellish bug ridden release of games on DX12 like QuantumBreak / GOW makes the DX12 not a viable solution for all games as it has no graphical benefits over DX11 except the multithreaded rendering under lower CPU power...

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ading-amd-nvidia-and-dx12-what-we-know-so-far
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/201...ly-win-for-amd-and-disappointment-for-nvidia/

Spoiler: Why go for the AMD's Async type tech, while the maxwell is not designed for that job? why not innovate a new way ? Money ? PureB$

Limited DirectX 12 hardware support
While the Maxwell series was marketed as fully DirectX 12 compliant, [2] [40] [41] Oxide Games, developer of Ashes of the Singularity, uncovered that the hardware of Maxwell cards does not perform well under DirectX 12 in certain conditions. [42] [43]

Using the new asynchronous compute and shader pipeline is not possible with Maxwell GPUs, despite Nvidia specifically advertising the feature for the 900 series. [40] Instead, Nvidia partially implemented this core feature through a driver-based shim, coming at a high performance cost. [43] AMD's GCN-based graphics cards include hardware-based asynchronous compute, [44] giving them the edge in certain DirectX 12 benchmarks and games. [43] [45] [46]

Oxide claims to have been pressured by Nvidia not to include the asynchronous compute feature in their benchmark at all, so that the 900 series would not be at a disadvantage when competing against AMD's DirectX 12 compliant GCN architecture. [42]

On August 4, 2015, Oxide stated, "We actually just chatted with Nvidia about Async Compute, indeed the driver hasn't fully implemented it yet, but it appeared like it was." [47] Nvidia is working together with Oxide on a full async compute implementation. Unlike AMD's full hardware implementation of the asynchronous pipeline, Nvidia will rely on the driver to implement a software queue and a software distributor to forward asyncronous tasks to the hardware schedulers, capable of distributing the workload to the correct units. [48]

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Btw does Vulkan also depend on the similar compute like DX12 ?

 

Clevo P870DM-G. It has enough space to fit a 200W GTX980. IF they don't change the standard, you could probably safely get to 2nd gen Pascal with one. Besides Acer Predator, nothing seems interesting, and that one is BGA, it scares me the idea of purchasing something at the same price as P870, when P870 has socketed both GPU and CPU, and Predator has BGA on both GPU and CPU.

 

This is exactly why I went with the sager np9870-S, you cant beat the price for what it offers. I hope clevo provides pascal upgrades for us in the future!

 

Same boat as you. From trend. They won't release info on mobile for around 2-3 weeks after desktop announcement. That's based off the last two desktop gens. So if the actual announcement is Friday. Them we could hear about mobile beginning of June if they are doing more announcements then. If then IS the announcement. Then I'll assume it be last week in June for mobile.
Either way I assume laptops will be ready late July or August.
My only hope is that thin laptop with a 1070m is not a longer wait than others.

 

So the first benchmarks of the new desktop gtx1080 have been leaked. It seems a bit more powerful than 980 Ti, so mobile card with equivalent to 980Ti performance is at least a year away. I'm actually surprised since I was expecting so much more from the combined new 16nm node and GDDR5X memory.

http://videocardz.com/59558/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-3dmark-benchmarks

 

950MX and 960MX? http://i.imgur.com/vQZmUo1.jpg

 

I wonder if the 920XM is bottlenecking the 980M at this point...I can't imagine with a 1080M

 

Well nVidia has nothing to compete with Polaris 11 that should be in laptops by the end of June. GP106 is the only thing that stands a chance against it (if it's efficient enough) and that won't arrive until late Q3/Q4.

 

Well I don't know why but I found these results underwhelming. I know it's still better than stock 980Ti and Titan but I was somehow expecting more...
I might just wait for Polaris before building my HTPC... Who knows, AMD might surprise us.

Out of curiosity, would people here possibly choose AMD over Nvidia if Polaris benchmark results show it to be at least as powerful as Nvidia's lineup?
I personally have been so scarred by Nvidia's drivers that I actually really really pray that AMD delivers this year...

 

So it really is for 1080p then?

 

guys, ya'll forgetting that ud have to compare the 1080 to the 980 and not 980Ti so the fact that at stock the 1080 is FASTER than even overclocked 980Ti cards on LN2 is nothing to sniff at
if u want a proper comparison, ud have to compare GM200 980Ti/titan x with the gp100 titan...

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So, finally some official info from Nvidia, "special event" will be livestreamed on their Twitch channel tomorrow, May 6th, 6pm PST:

https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/728222996138168320

 

Are you forgetting Jen-sun's claims?

 

He's basically showing what Pascal is capable of because of advancements. It doesn't mean a thing when it comes to mobile gaming or the first release.

I'd say by the end of Pascal's shelf life, it will have achieved those claims.

 

Its slightly faster than 1500/8000 980 TI, which really isnt impressive unless it overclocks well.

Which I think it will, provided significant cooling capabilities present.

This thing better not be 650$ though or I will just pick up cheap 980 TIs from other people selling.

 

That's true, as long as we are willing to accept how Nvidia like to package and sell performance.
All I'm seeing is sucky results over last generation.
Unfortunately I'm even more underwelmed than I expected to be.

What it also means is we're so far away from getting anything decent. There's literally zero to get excited about for people with flagship cards.
Damn..

 

Am I misunderstanding something? 10x Maxwell performance is rather specific. Whether it's GTX 1080 vs GTX 980, 1080Ti vs 980Ti, 1070 vs 970, etc, at this point I don't see how they will ever get close to 2x, let alone 10x.

 

10x in deep learning.....

 

On the bright side, your flagship card will serve you longer and save you several hundreds of bucks

 

Yep while it's still early and things will certainly change this jump isn't enough for me to upgrade. I'll wait for the big chip and hopefully HBM2.

 

Performance sounds fine, hopefully perf per watt is what's though the roof.

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Seems like it. Totally underwhelmed by the performance. I was expecting that to be at least 1.5X 980Ti.

If it is barely something, if they don't push one for laptops.

Who cares about that? I mean, really. BGA versions will still heat, and not have more perfromance. So you can fit it in an ultrabook, but performance is still not very high.

So depressing.

I was excepcting at least 2XGTX980. At least.

 

And even that was said tongue in cheek as he called it "CEO math".

 

Barely. I won't be replacing the 980M with the 1080M anyway. I would like a low power part this time around so that I can connect my gpu and cpu heatsinks together.

 

Yea, this is more interesting for ppl with a 970m or lower.

 

Well judging from the earlier rumors regarding how hot Pascal runs, it is highly unlike unless the PC running it look like this.

 

the most important part of that image is this:



translated into scientific terms it would be something like: standard deviation +/- 500 %