Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

A new XBOX?

 

I mentioned Dell because their lower end stuff, while not the best, does still have pretty great warranty services available; something that other companies lack. There was a reason I left out Alienware, though I technically should consider them as existing if I do Razer or Gigabyte.

I know ASUS has terrible QC and even worse support, but they do make things that people for some reason buy all the time. Their cooling in their higher end models however is pretty good.

I specifically said "lower end consumer laptops to gaming laptops". I didn't say anything about high end or enthusiast notebooks anywhere. I am considering mainstream laptops on a whole here. Business laptops like Dell's Precision M and HP's Elitebooks/Zbooks/Probooks and Lenovo's W-series? Not being counted.

I know MSI is expensive. They once weren't so expensive. They went balls in with the GT72 and since the world as a general whole doesn't comment on the existence of Clevos, people assume that's the top notch stuff. But they must still be considered. BGA CPU aside, the GT72 is a fine machine, overpriced or not. GT80, less so.

Gigabyte and Razer make generally thin machines with bad cooling and less-than-stellar I/O & storage options. But they still don't suck as bad as mainstream HP.

Clevo does make the good stuff, hardware-wise. Their software leaves much to be desired. Prema fixes much of the software issues relating to sBIOS and vBIOSes, but there's only so much he can do. Touchpad BSODs being linked to hotkey drivers in the P6xxSx machines are inexcusable, especially with how long they took to fix it, and how some of their download links on their website don't even link to the correct drivers.

Acer makes thin, reasonably-priced machines for what you get. The problem is that I can find similar machines for similar prices (either from Lenovo, or from Clevo) that fit the same usage bill, but are generally better under the hood. Lenovos are crappy by default, but a decent thermal paste reapplication and maybe some light cooling modding with throttlestop and you're good to go. Acer isn't so good. Clevo's offerings in the lower end line like the N155RF's only problem is that they have a 120W PSU which isn't good enough for stressing or overclocking, and a 150W/180W/200W PSU from a different machine would suit them better, however unless someone is buying one of those to extract 120% performance from it, they won't likely run into that issue.

As far as I've looked, there is usually little reason to get an Acer for any reason. I'm harsh, and you might say unfair, and I may be a tad unfair in some cases, but I've seen too many Toshibas, Acers, HPs, Dells, Lenovos and even Sony laptops back when they made them to know about what users generally run into after a short while of owning. I've seen much heat and many a throttle. I cannot give them a free pass.

In fact, to be clear, there's very few laptops (far less laptop makers) I can give a free pass... and I do not give all Clevos a free pass either, due to said software issues. Some machines properly fit the niche they were designed for. Most don't, and have problems that would go away if they would just stop freaking skimping on things. I understand Acer isn't the worst, hence why I disregard the existence of HP and such, but believe me when I say they're far from the best.

 

Acer should in any case gain cred because they now start with 980 cards. Not the same as they make great machines, but Acer increased the thickness of the Predator so this was possible. All other brand shrink the size on their models.

 

Well I could give them that. xD

 

Honestly though, if you count the business class stuff, Dell and HP actually arent that bad. I personally love ultrasharp monitors. They are a great prosumer options for decent IPS monitors that arent focused on gaming.
The older dell precision and XPS arent that bad either.

MSI actually does make a decent effort on their machines. If I want a thinner 970m based gaming machine, its a hard pick between P640RE or a GS60/40. It is really a decent options. I dont like their GT7x systems due to previous experience.

ASUS has been falling on almost all front lately. Their CS is quite bad now.

I dont have much to comment on gigabyte/aorus. Although I do like the ascetics of aorus x7 v5. It would be a decent stylish mobile machine with a pair of 1070m IF and only if it doesnt throttle horribly and it had a gold binned 6820hk that can hit 4.4ghz.

Not really a big fan of Acer at all.

 

No, 75% over a predecessor, at the same TDP target, is always impressive. Full stop. The Chinese chart has it within ~10% of the GTX 970M, if true that's a great accomplishment for such a low powered chip.

Your perspective is a bit off.

The GT72 is in a an entirely different league than the GT70, I say this as an owner of both. I was blown away by how they pretty much improved everything.

Quality went through the roof when they went all in on positioning as a premium brand.

I can definitely see how the GT70 and previous models could leave a bad taste. Tons of plastic, single fan design, Hybrid Power bs, etc..

 

That must be it. I had a GT70 with a 880m, I dont think I need to elaborate any further. I hated the 880m's power switching and the plastic/single fan build didnt make me too happy either.

 

Ah, June!

 

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear.

If that's GP106, then that's a disappointment. (GM206 mobile card is 965M)
If that's GP107, then that's a nice improvement. (GM107 mobile card is 960M)
I am expecting GP107 to be ~61% faster, like GP104 is 61% faster than GM204. If it's 75%, then either it's a REALLY good GP107, or a REALLY bad GP106.

And yes, the GT72's only real downsides that I can see are that it's using a soldered CPU and sells with a 230W power brick instead of a 330W by default, honestly.

 

Thanks for the detail, @D2 Ultima. Hopefully the GTX 1060M is GP107 - which would make it literally sip power while outputting GTX 970M levels of performance. An overvolt and OC would make it jump beyond that even.

 

really hoping on that, have myself pretty set on the XPS 15. Or maybe, crossing my fingers, they'll stuff the 1070m in it if the thermals allow for it

 

I'd be very surprised if the 1060M is 61%~ better than the 960M. About 30% better is fair, IMO.

Just because GP104 is approximately that much better doesn't mean ALL of the cards will be that much better. Lower-end GPU's hardly ever see major gains in performance. Even the 660M didn't see much of an improvement over the 560M... It was what? Like 20%? The 680M, however, was nearly 100% better than the 580M. So, that doesn't mean anything.

I reference this generation because it was the last architectural change.

 

Not relevant to mobile, but I guess it's interesting to know this.
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR

 

Pascal draws more power to achieve its performance over Maxwell. If it's GP107, it's going to draw more power than the 960M would, and likely run hotter. But there WILL be performance gains.

 

EDIT: looks like youtube pulled the video. was clips from Just Cause 3, GTA V, Dark Souls 3 and maybe one other game 4K frame rate between 60-70 fps with GTX 1080 vs 30fps or so with 980 Ti

 

Yeah, I don't believe that.

 

Now I cannot get 980 anymore, can I?

 

What do you mean you cannot get 980 anymore?

 

1080 destroys 980 performance, as it destroys 980ti in 4K. I really want to game in 4k.

 

You left out 760M -> 860M, which was a huge leap.

 

No benchmarks yet to confirm that. What bothers me is that clock for clock, the 980ti is faster. That tells me the architecture sucks for pascal. The 980ti on ln2 at the same clocks was faster than the 1080 :0

 

I was refering to that video earlier, I was quoting the post

I am not very sure either of it.

And you are right, but if Pascal is stable at those higher clocks, why not? It might be worse technically, but if it games and benches better, it reaches it's purpose


And now, to be sincere, nobody needs a 1080 for FHD. I don't think there are titles that 980 cannot pull 60 smooth fps at max everything in FHD.

It is something for us, those who really want that 4K

 

I think the real truth and performance of the 1080 is somewhere in the middle of your two opinions. I am sure it will be an improvement, but perhaps not a massive improvement.

 

Those numbers doesnt look right at all. This wouldnt the first time someone faked a performance video.

 

i wasnt asking about performance with the 1060m like i was '' the other times i asked.'' this time was more of asking about the heat and power draw. im hoping 1060m draws less power than the 960m. having a laptop with more than 2 hours of battery life would be nice

 

#Irony seems to had been taken too seriously.

I meant, if that video is true, it is really going to be worth waiting for.

I primarily want to buy a 1080 for 4K. Because I want to get P870 laptop with 4K screen, and GTX980 does not do it at 4K in P870. I need dat max performance for professional work too, not only games.

This is kinda why I am still waiting.

I think that if I don't get P870 now, I might get it on sale, when 1080 arrives, and still make a good deal, since 1080 draws so close.

 

if you want 4k get the laptop in my sig lol, dual desktop 980s can do 4k pretty well

 

double post

 

4K on internal photo friendly monitor at that. P870 comes with 4K internal monitor, which can be used for pro photo editing. That is the major selling point for me. I would rather get that one with that display, than anything with more performance and a worse display.

 

People say that 4k video is fake because JC3 can't go above 60fps.

 

You can via ini editing I believe. In fact, I run JC3 on 100fps fine.

 

I thought you already have a 980 Desktop P870?

 

We should be looking at watt for watt not clock for clock.. That's what's going to be important for mobile

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

I had been stuck in the process of ordering it.-_-. At first, did not had the money, now cannot order because Pascal is so close.

 

So roughly how much longer do you think we'll need to wait for P870DM with GTX 1080 (for notebooks)?

 

GTX 1080 desktop? Probably next year. GTX 1080m? No idea.

 

You will be waiting a couple of months minimum for general availability. There is always something around the corner. If you wait and order one with a 1080m, they will have the desktop 1080 next year , and so on. The big reason I bought the msi Titan was because msi purposely manufacturers their mxm cards so they work with notebooks within the past 2+ years for upgrades. Hence why their version of the laptop 980 can work with previous notebooks just fine, even though it uses more power. Plus I don't see a 1080m killing a desktop 980.

 

2 months with a notebook feels twice faster than a month without any.

 

Use more power? You mean more from the battery?

 

Sure ! I don't care where the power comes from, as long as they get powered not that many notebook manufacturers can offer such an amazing package like MSI with dual 980s. Not even the almighty clevo

Only enticing notebook would be an Aorus with dual 1070m's , if they can cut the throttling issue

 

Even though I'm not a OC master but I will never buy a BGA powered anything in a machine even it has something remarkable like x4 1080 GTX, If that situation arises, I'll get an X99 pc and put an end to the madness.

 

Ill be honest:

I do need a laptop for professional work. As far as I am concerned, I can get one of them dream color or what they call it, I am creating games.

But then, I became interestee in enthusiast levels, I read a lot anf want to test my luck on breaking a world record. Seems like fun.

Also, using madVR render for 4k cannot be maxed on a gtx980, not even a titan.

 

About to finish my final exam and was going to order a Dell XPS 15, but now see the pascal series might be worth waiting for. How long after launch does it usually take for a manufacturer like to Dell to get the new cards into their laptops for sale? and is this usually accompanied by a price increase?

 

wait, didnt i just recently see you with a P870 and 980M sli in your sig?

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That was probably one of the dumbest buys you're ever made.. The P870DM with 980M SLI will destroy it..

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Agreed on this one! What does a GTX 980 SLI brings you, if you can't utilize the performance to its fullest due to power thottling?

It's like buying a Porsche with a limitation in speed....

 

Ouch, do they at least offer a bigger PSU than 330w?

 

Nope!

 

Haha, really, that would suck b*lls trying to power a CPU + x2 980's (desktop card in laptop) with just 330W!

 

That's practically criminal or gross negligence on MSI's behalf as far as I'm concerned. Did no one in engineering notice Maxwell doesn't exactly sip power when you open up the taps?
I'm mean honestly.