Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

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I don't want to be unpolite. It surely is one of the most powerful rigs as long as we speak of stock Settings. I just can't get away with this BGA CPU and crippled power Settings....

 

They draw power from the battery when they need more power than the power brick can handle. No jokes.

I find it a bit disturbing and prone to degrade in the future, as all batteries degrade over time.

Nonetheless, it is the only sli 980 desktop on the market, so I cheer them on making something unique, and strong, but I personally would not exactly go with it.

A single GTX980Desktop consumes roughly 180W, so two of them are 360W at least, with cpu another 50W and rest of the laptop around another 50W, it already consumes 460W from a power brick of 330W.

Power bricks are heavy and big as they are, I don't blame them for including a smaller brick, and I do think that it is possible to do one of these convertor tricks as it is with Clevos, thing which would make that MSI the strongest laptop on the market...


But I personally need brother's @Prema Bios and a socketed laptop to buy a laptop as things are now. I am happy that some companies do sell laptops with this awesome Bios from start. It is sweet.

 

Errata: These 980's are 135W variants!

 

Bigger joke about that laptop the performance is severely degraded once the battery level is below 30% when using stock settings! Thats right, if you don't have at least 30% battery you will get a laptop doesn't perform as it should even when on stock. LOL MSI come on.

 

They actually block using a 2nd PSU.. MSI and Clevo have similar PSU so even if you used the box, it's useless..

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Really ?

I really thought it is not this way....

Maaaan....

I don't want to continue thinking about that, Ill stick to what I know, Clevo or just pick random BGA.

 

The GT80S with 980 SLI roughly gets 6 hours of max performance use before the battery gets to the 30% point. At that point, the performance drops to about 5% faster than 980m SLI. The power regulation is locked via EC firmware so even if you do connect two PSUs, it doesn't draw more power. The only way to get around this is by custom EC modification but unless you find someone willing to do it, you are stuck with said limit.

Additionally, overclocking actually helps, as even with reduced performance when battery life is down, the overclocked state is pseudo carried so you get more performance, as if oc'd 980m SLI.

MSI needs to get higher rated PSUs instead of going the dual PSU route. 980 desktop was too ambitious for the 330w which is already a very tight fitting for 980m's.

The GT60 introduced this "feature" way back called NOS. It can be annoying though in my case, it never affected me in any particular way, and my battery wear is normal, around 15% after years of use. The battery will degrade more over time alone rather than charging.

I bet we can convince someone to make a custom BIOS/EC to allow the GT80 to use more power. But finding the talent and time might be a hard task.

That being said, on stock, the GT80S performs better than my 980m's overclocked to +230/400 OC. And I can't play for much at such clocks without crashing.

 

The battery level affects performance while running on AC power?

Or are you referring to doing something crazy like attempting to run games or demanding applications on battery?

 

SLI 980 require more power than the 330w supply for demanding games, so the GT80S uses the PSU+battery power for extra juice to run stock max performance. This results in battery drain after playing intensive games. After the battery drops to 30%, the system drops performance so that it can charge the battery back.

 

Which is very stupid if you ask me.. This system is artificially gimped by MSI..

 

MSI prefer Battery boost. DELLIENWARE like the idea so much that they implement the tech in their new crippled Books. Why make a bigger and stronger psu if you can use Battery boost aka Hybrid bios?

 

ok so at stock ud have 6 hours before reaching 30% on battery, what would oc do to that?

 

And if you still use your machine with full load... The battery need power from the overcharged Psu. Aka longer time to charge the battery or gimp the performance from the hardware. Right after you finish the game you need to wait if you want to use your laptop on the go.

 

It feels sad that they did that only for size and weight constraints.

I mean, they could had invested so much more in development.

No Asus fan here, their idea to take a laptop and make it compatible with only a case in which you usually take luggage for other country trips is as bad. come on, that thing is so unpractical



Is it really that complicated to just make one freaking laptop that is thicker and heavier and can game and oc and do benchmarks and be a good laptop? I am willing to lift weights to be able to carry a 5-8kg laptop if it gives me what I need XD.

Seems they used my idea with 3 displays for a laptop, I posted a lot earlier on development blogs. Just seen it today on facebook. You can add 3 displays to a single laptop. I am not sure if you can game with them, but it is there, it is durable, it does not bend the laptop.

We are advancing somewhere at least.

 

So, apparently Sweclockers has a GTX 1080 in their testrigg. Unknown when they're allowed to share anything.

This is from their Facebook-page:

Spoiler

 

Sounds like a rather clever way to get more power - had no idea this was even possible.

 

Yes it's unsustainable performance. Not a good design choice.

Sky X9 I's where it's at for me now. I just wish it had a 120hz option.

 

Alot of reviewers were able to score themselves a 1080 at the conference to test. Kyle from Awesomesauce Network also has one.

 

I think the 1080 will impress more of you than you realize. Let's just hope mobile is the same.

 

Updated DOOM on Vulkan
src - dsog.

EDIT : Why did Nvidia GIMP the SLI to x2 only with 1080 GTX ? WTH !?

 

Fun dis-assembly coverage of a 1080 desktop GPU

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 PCB, GP104 Die and GDDR5X Pictured In Detail – Features 5+1 Phase VRM Supply, HB SLI Bridge Detailed
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pcb-gp104-gddr5x/

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 PCB pictured
http://videocardz.com/59818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-taken-apart

 

Maybe something like...

Engineer: We need a bigger adapter

Management: I heard the battery can be used to supplement power, can we do that?

Engineer: Yes but that's a stupid idea as the battery will run down. Much better to use a bigger power supply.

Management: Do you like working here? Just do it.

 

Someone who knows how to game works for NVIDIA?! WHAT?

 

Didn´t know that. Well, nothing to see here then

 

The rumored embargo is is till 17th may. We should see flood of benchmarks and reviews after that.

 

Looking good! It´s on a Titan X though:

Uncompressed:

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-gtx-doom-vulkan-direct-feed-gameplay-video

 

It's confirmed. The embargo ends on the 17th. I'm looking forward to Tiny Tom Logan's review.

@Georgel

MSI saying they used a PSU for weight saving purposes is a cop out. Discounting that most people who buy 18" laptops don't care too much about weight. The mere fact it drains the battery means under load means the chance of needing to take the PSU with you everywhere greatly increases. So much for weight saving.
They made a awesome monster system, then ruined it with a BGA terd CPU and anaemic PSU. At least they're batting for upgradable GPU's.

 

This is the ironic part. When they offered really good screens and 120Hz options, so few people bought it that production stopped. The last set of 120Hz panels were made in 2011, and machines were sold with them until 2014 JUST OFF THE REMAINING STOCK FROM 2010-2011.

Now that they're gone, PCMR is all "I want 120Hz!" because the refresh rate has become the norm.

 

The thing is, people wants IPS and 120hz, not just 120hz.

 

Just get an external panel lol.. Just bought a Acer XF270HU which is 144Hz and 1440p.. Its going to work so well with my 970M

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IPS 120Hz 4k Adobe RGB 99~100% please

 

LOL, I actually need it.

I am not sure if anyone can pull IPS and 120Hz, and for sure so far 4K and 120Hz has not been possible.

But I would take 100% adobeRGB and IPS instead of 120Hz, I do enough professional work to need it. Would be nice to see a 120Hz screen and IPS and adobeRGB 100% in the same package. I would pay up for one, if in a laptop and I could take it with me, that would be sweet for my work.

 

Well hopefully it will come full circle.

I'd still take 120hz TN over 60hz IPS any day of the week, but that's me.

 

Does anyone know if it is possible to build a computer small enough for one tot take when travelling in a backpack ?

Like, I am so interested in GTX 1080 that I think I might want to try to build the minimum size computer that can hold it, but I am so very afraid that I won't be able to take it with me when traveling.

Provided I would have to buy 2 monitors, one for each location. I still think it is a semi good idea. Could be fun.

 

well well, veeery interesting post here concerning mobile pascal, looks like end of september is the timeframe to be on the lookout:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10255561



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I think I remember seeing some Build of the Months on Guru3d where the case was only slightly bigger than a desktop card in some of the dimensions - it's possible!

 

That's not Woodzstack though, same avatar, but not Woodzstack - was thinking you might be adding weight to the statement because he sells mobile cards & therefore may know something about future releases.

 

that is encouraging to say the least.

I really want to not wait for a mobile gpu that long XD. Entire summer without a better GPU means a lot of wasted work and lot of wasted time in which I could had played around.

I just seen that there is an MSI GT 72S 6qf with gtx980 + 6820HK Cpu that is a bit cheaper than a clevo P870. I wonder if it is worth it's money better, as it has that display, and seems all right in all other aspects.

 

Based on recent history the GTX 1080M and 1070M should both be announced next month in June. Widespread availability starting in August/September.

Desktop 980 & 970 - September 2014
Mobile 980M & 970M - October 2014

 

GT72's are good laptops from the write-ups I've seen, a bit silly to buy a Maxwell based laptop now though unless you just can't do without.

 

In 5 months, I almost have to release the 4K versions of the games I am creating, and I program them. It is impossible to stall the process for so long. Waiting 5 months for Pascal is not the best idea right now.

Well, I will wait for 1080 Benchmarks, if it is that great, ill buy 2 professional displays and just get a single computer based on 1080 that is small enough for me to carry.

I think that this solution is a bit smarter for my particular needs... I am just a bit afraid of not breaking a small portable computer if taking it with me. I could not care less about weight. I really need the power, you need more to design 4K games than you need to run them.

 

Wow. I totally missed his user name and thought he is woodzstack based on the avatar. Thanks for highlighting.

 

Are you on speed bro?

 

Relax, people are just making up stories...

 

People are stupid. When IPS panels didn't exist in 120Hz and 144Hz capacities under two years ago, people were happy as all hell with TN 120Hz/144Hz desktop panels, especially those ROG Swift 1440p 144Hz panels. And laptop IPS panels are SO FAR BELOW DESKTOP IPS PANELS it's not even funny anymore. Desktop gets 8-bit or 10-bit, 1000:1 contrast ratios, 4ms response time 144Hz Gsync/Freesync panels with 100% sRGB and Adobe RGB and 72% NTSC gamuts being standard.

We get 72% NTSC, but under 100% sRGB and Adobe RGB, with contrast ratios as low as 500:1 with an average of 700:1, 6-bit panels with 25ms to 35ms response times, and 60Hz, BIOS-OC'd to 75Hz for 1080p if with Gsync. And sometimes viewing angles are as bad as a mix of 60° and 70° angles too. People all but stopped making TN panels anymore for laptops; everything is IPS now, and it's a big selling point because people don't read anything beyond "IPS".

When we have good IPS panels, maybe we'll be better off. But as of right now they're at BEST nothing special, and we lack 120Hz for the high end machines.

Unfortunately, this doesn't help the point of being a laptop. Everywhere I go, whether it be school (when I was able to attend), or the LAN party I went to in January, or just going to spend a weekend at my mother's without my second screen, I always have 120Hz. Because that's the purpose of a "laptop".

I hope it does, but even if it does, it won't be anytime soon. The business end is the thing the panel makers care about, and not enough people are willing to get the machines that have 120Hz in them even if they made them. It can't be for only one manufacturer too; it needs to be sold in MSI and ASUS as well, and then it'd need to be Gsync certified. And then take into account the cooling on the CPU required for 120fps gaming; something many of these systems may not have.

I also would take 120Hz TN over 60Hz (or 75Hz) IPS.

Oh BIOS GUY, would you like to be true storyteller guy for a day?

 

Just consider everything you see "a story", nothing more.
The people that know can't talk and the ones that don't know tend to talk a lot...

 

I am literally having fun.

Just made the math, and MSI comes 400$ cheaper than P870.

Not taking that direction

Though I actually consider getting a portable computer at this point. Lots of work that needs to be done, not enough time. I would have to cool it on air though, because otherwise I could not carry it in a bag, due to fear of breaking the cooling.

 

I don't know and I don't talk a lot, am I a unicorn?

 

Ha ha ha, Unicorn, Fox, Phoenix...let's be whatever we like the most and talk as much as we can enjoy, just without fooling others...

EDIT: Well @Mr. Fox and I had our little annual (Pascal-themed) April Fools prank prepared, but google's own prank got in the way and delayed our mails for 24h...so the joke was on us...LOL