Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Probably, GTX 1070 is already so heavily crippled.... It will be hard imagine anything less and still be able to call it GTX 1080m.

I am interested to see what SKU is GP104-150-A1 though. GTX 1060 TI launch soon?

 

After looking at the benchmarks it's just as I suspected, the marketing hype was strong

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Maxwell has Async compute. I do not understand why people keep saying it does not. They support 31 async queues + 1 graphics queue. Pascal probably has the same. AMD won in AOTS because the game requested OVER 31 queues, and AMD can support up to 64 queues... even though AMD themselves stated that no game should require that many to run properly.

Lovely. Nice job. SLI gets gimped again.

Comparisons with the 980 are what needs to be done. Can't compare GP104 to GM200 and expect GP104 to get nearly as hot. As I suspected, nVidia most likely set the fans to 100% and blasted AC at the card or something for 68c with the OC they had.

Volta was supposed to be 2017, and it was pushed to 2018. It *WILL* happen in 2018. They can't push it back more. The real question is... will it be good and stable? Seeing Pascal, I don't know.

Stock reference 980Ti, maybe.

Yup. They had to give people reason to buy 1080s didn't they? The same Maxwell issue seems like it might happen here, where there's too big a difference between the cards because they're trying to spread their launch too thin.

 

This does mean that buying an 1080 is probably going to get one the best performance, no? I am wondering if they are going to pull a 1080 ti anytime soon?

Another thing.

I was speaking about someone doing a 3 way monitor for laptops.

http://www.slidenjoy.com/pre-order/

That is the site, but I am not very into it. Seems they cannot play games, no smooth 60fps, no high color space reproduction.

 

GTX 1080 is the best single card right now, for the most part, I guess. Assuming if you can OC it stable-ly and properly I guess.

I've seen this slidenjoy deal... I still don't think it's good. Especially for laptops with less-than-stellar hinge design/engineering.

 

Get AIB GTX 1080 with a custom PCB/power delivery. The stock Founder card are terrible.

 

would two 1080s in sli be able to max everything out at 4k 60fps?

 

1080's performance is actually worse than what most reviews are showing. It appears that after a few minutes of load it starts throttling.


Computerbase does a really good job of showing this, although the charts are not images so they can't be posted here without taking screenshots.

Link: http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce-gtx-1080-test/7/#diagramm-hitman-3840-2160

Look at the second chart and use the drop-down menu to select the game. In a lot of cases it's < 20% faster than a Fury X, and even loses in HiItman. It's a bit better compared to a stock 980Ti but once you compare it to an aftermarket one even 1080 MAX OC isn't much better.

As far as mobile variants are concerned this throttling doesn't sound very good and HardOCP does show that it's temperature related (this also screws up overclocking).

 

So it looks like they made perfect card for benchmarking! Just not the perfect card for actually playing games.

 

Yep, it's performance is great in the first 5 minutes, enough for a benchmark but then starts throttling heavily.

 

Its likely a temperature issue that will be better with AIB cards.

 

I wonder how the mobile cards will be.

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hack vbios, elevate temperature and power targets, unleash that beast properly

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@Ethrem's birdy was right

I've seen some temps get to 93 degrees in the benchmarks. That's scoldering for such a short period.

 

any idea how the 1080 would compare to a 980 ti in video editing or gpu accelerated programs besides the extra vram?

 

Probably good. Depends on what you do actually, video editing is very resource intensive when encoding, not in the actual editing process. Maybe better than a 980ti, but by a small margin ?

 

Overclocked Nvidia GTX 1080 VS 980 Ti | Benchmarks & SLI - Various Games - starts at 00:50 (ad first)


The first test shows a nice difference between 1080/980Ti, ...the rest, not so much improvement over a 980ti at 4k.

The first video I have seen so far that actually shows what we need to see, the real world performance difference.

Update: Better performance in other videos, @ 4k/1440p/1080p
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-269#post-10258758

 

It's new Video encode/decode block automatically makes it better than older cards but it's OpenCL performance is worse than 980Ti, and lags behind a lot of GCN cards.

 

That accelero thing looks big and uncomfortable for a case, but if it does it's job, then we should sign up for them.

I am still looking forward for aftermarket embedded cooling solutions.

 

I don't understand why people keep comparing the 1080 to the 980Ti. The 1080 replaces the 980, not the 980Ti. The 1080Ti will replace the 980Ti.

That's like comparing a McLaren 570S to a 675LT when you should be comparing it to the 650S.

 

A valid point. However, that should also assume similar price points for the cards being compared. If Nvidia is asking near the initial price of the reference 980ti card (and more if you were to purchase a "Founder's Edition" Card), it is fair to compare/analyze the 1080 to the 980ti.

In other words, if Nvidia or AMD were to give enthusiast pricing to a non-enthusiast card, it's fair to compare that non-enthusiast card to the previous generation's enthusiast card.

 

those crazy gains making me want to sell my card

 

Because 2 x 980ti performance is the 4k benchmark goal, and we all hoped a single 1080 would benchmark the same.

If the 1080 would have actually met the need for 4k performance in 1 card, we could all upgrade to the 1080 without waiting for the 1080ti or Titan 1080.

That's why everyone is interested in that particular comparison

Of course that was an unrealistic goal, but Nvidia's hype machine pushed the thought into the realm of possibility.

We are still likely going to need 2 x 1080ti to get 4k 60 fps in games over the life of the cards.

Factoring in new games demands vs new api optimizations, it's possible that 2 x 1080's might do well enough, if they are running at 2.5ghz under water cooling.

Otherwise, we are still waiting...

 

At this rate I will be most likely waiting for the 1180ti yawn

 

Although there are great performance improvement examples like this, there are just as many that are flat or small gains.

It's likely, as usual, driver improvements could factor in to bigger gains later, we are really at the very beginning of the life of Pascal, so optimizations should keep coming for a good while yet.

Of course Nvidia will be Nvidia, and there will be plenty of "bad" with the "good" before things stablize again.

It was about time to start another run of unstable drivers, 365.19 is the first stable driver in a long run of bad drivers.

 

yea I mean it you are upgrading from a 970 its a great card, but for my titan x :\ I was really hoping for more. lets be honest it does save me money though

 

Only if you sold your Titan X before the 1080 announcement

 

That is a great point. I have owned SLI Desktop setups ever since the beginning of SLI becuase I have always felt I needed that power to satisfy my need to have smooth gameplay. That need (whether imagined or not) increased when i bought my Rog Swift and got to experience the glory of 1440p gaming at 144hz.

However, my desire is to be able to break free of SLI especially given the lack of great support for it in the past year or so (maybe that will change with the 1080 series..who knows). My guess is that I will have to wait for the 1080 ti to accomplish that (which is fine) although if I move to ultrawide gaming I may be back to having to SLI again.

 

There are some retailers who allow an exchange of video cards such as the Titan X if you bought their insurance plan

 

If you are thinking of the EVGA Step-Up plan, I think you only have 14/90 days from purchase - and the new card needs to be available in stock and ready to purchase before that expires.

It's unclear exactly how that would go - starting the process now might cover you - a tie base should go to the runner, except when $ are involved.

If you can do it, take the best they have now, and then roll it over again in 90 more days for the water cooled model, if they allow chaining upgrades.

Reading this Step-Up plan info quickly, it seems everyone needs to carefully read this before counting on it.

For example, you may have a model that has a 3 year warranty - which only has a 14 day StepUp plan, vs the Limited Lifetime Warranty parts that are the ones that offer a 90 day StepUp plan.
http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/

 

No, thinking of Microcenter

 

Microcenter is awesome for doing upgrades, but even more likely to vary according to situation - mass customers wanting to trade in their new GPU's for the 1080 might be a problem that limit's viability.

Maybe return it tonight to lock in store credit; it might already be too late

Make sure they refund your insurance cost if they won't let you trade up to Pascal.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if some of those cards have faulty vapor chambers but yeah, it's a hot chip. It also was supposed to have higher stock and boost clocks than it ended up shipping with.

 

I just hate how he hypes it up like it's gods gift to earth but that's capitalism and marketing. At least Steve jobs was tactful. Jsh is more like in your face like a caveman with a samurai sword created by thousands of other people

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Yeah, it loses about 6% performance after the first 5 mins, but this will be a thing of the past with aftermarket coolers - the Founders Edition is just getting too hot at standard fan speed profiles.

 

I'm not sold on the 1080. Of course I still want one but unless my Maxwell EVGA Hybrid cooler fits on it won't be worth the it for me by any metric unless I get a VR unit - both unlikely.

Yeah they changed the specs. 8.2 TF from 9TF

 

Did the GTX 980Ti / Titan X also performed less than stellar after release ? I mean were they plagued by this throttle / temp etc without any vBIOS mods / Reference cards without any AIBs ?

These negatives make me cringe..and Jsh is a real caveman lol, that keynote was damn awful !!

 

Here are some more benchmark video's I found useful, more or less, there is a wide range of coverage:

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080: Review - 21 Games Tested at 1440p & 4K
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Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Overclocking - Burn Baby!
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NVIDIA GTX 1080 Versus AMD R9 Nano & Titan X! - Benchmarks from 3:00 to 6:40
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GeForce GTX 1080 4K Benchmarks vs Fury X/ Titan X/ GTX 980

GeForce GTX 1080 1440p Benchmarks vs Fury X/ Titan X/ GTX 980

GeForce GTX 1080 1080p Benchmarks vs Fury X/ Titan X/ GTX 980

GeForce GTX 1080 DirectX 11 vs DirectX 12 Benchmarks
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GTX 1080 vs GTX 980 TI - Gaming Benchmarks
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GTX 1080 Benchmarks vs 980 SLI, 980 Ti & Fury X - Start at 5:00
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GTX 1080 Founders Edition Review & Benchmark - Start at 3:40
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GTX 1080 Benchmarks & Review!! - Start at 11:10
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Nvidia GTX 1080 Performance Review - The New King - Start at 7:45
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NVIDIA GTX 1080 Performance Review + DX12 Testing - Start at 4:40
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NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080 BENCHMARKS / GAME TESTS REVIEW / 1080p, 1440p, 4K
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Major Overclocking Changes to GTX 1080 w/ ScanOC - Info with Tom Peterson from Nvidia

 

Going from memory I remember it was a fairly positive reception. We weren't too sure what to expect since there was no node shrink. The Titan was hot out of the box. But I don't remember any kind of aggressive throttling.

I think my reservations with the 1080 is that the performance increase seems so measured from Nvidia. Giving us the goldie locks treatment - Not too much to make upgrading a no brainer, not small enough of an increase to take it of the table. Perfect to maximise milkage. I've found Tek Syndicates review, although not very technical, the least ambiguous with regards to it's actual performance.

 

I liked it too, but found after watching a lot of other benchmark comparisons for the 1080 that there are indeed games that perform well against the 980ti as well as the SLI 980, some reaching up into the "right around 2x 980 range".

As with any generalizations, your mileage may vary

I posted the video benchmark/reviews that I have found interesting, many need to be skipped to the benchmark section, and I am feeling a bit better about the 1080 potential:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-269#post-10258758

There were a surprising number of games that run well over 60fps with Ultra settings @ 4k on a single 1080, that's cool.

I found these benchmark video's are a good way to find the best games to play @ 4k / 1080p with a single 1080.

We need to see the 1080 SLI performance benchmarks @ 4k for the games that won't play at 60 fps with a single 1080.

 

For 4k it is the best option right now. But for anything less, not worth the upgrade if you already have 980 or 980 Ti. I'll take my 3440x1440 100Hz over 4k 60Hz any day.

The extra features are nice for VR but not really necessary.

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So guys, how much of that ~70% increase over 980 do you think is thanks to GDDR5X memory?

 

Good question! Memory bandwidth is a fickle thing. I'd say in this instance the GDDR5X helps because of the computing power of the GPU is significantly higher. But at 4K it may not matter as much because the vRAM bandwidth won't be the bottleneck. Would be an interesting thing to see if somehow some 3rd party card maker could make one with GDDR5 and one with GDDR5X. Or maybe just clock the GDDR5X to the GDDR5 speed.

 

There is a lot more segmentation in the auto market than this one.

GTX 1080 is replacing the 980Ti as the top enthusiast card and at roughly the same price point, slightly lower.

Even the 1070 is being compared to the 980Ti, and sounds like the 1070 will be a bit faster at $379. So - will we see 980Ti on sale for $299? Nobody is going to buy 980Ti for its curves or gullwing doors.

You think we might see GTX 1080 (for notebooks) available in a Clevo this year? Or is that more likely not until 2017?

 

That's it. It's being sold as the flagship card. We all know it's not the big die and more is to come.
It's being compared from a value proposition standpoint and that it's also the fastest card on offer.

 

So price is more important? Interesting. Still a very bad comparison. Prices will vary depending on the type of card (e.g. FTW). The "rank" or "level" they are in for the series remains constant.

In my opinion, it would be okay to mention it and show the 980Ti in graphs. But to have an entire review dedicated to "1080 vs. 980Ti" is questionable. Will the reviewer be releasing another boring video comparing the 1080Ti to the 980Ti later? Probably.

Comparing the 1080 to the 980Ti and Titan X solely for its 4k performance makes more sense. Not for its price or "enthusiast" level.

 

That's not entirely accurate... The 1080 happens to be the top enthusiast card at the moment for roughly the same price. It will not be later.

To each his own, though. Reviewers can compare the 1080 to a 960 for all I care. I was merely making an observation... Didn't want to start pages of debate.

 

I like 1080 and i think it shouldn't be a problem to to make it a mobile card either in the form of 1080m (gimped) or in the form of GTX 1080 for laptop.
But i fear that they will hold it for now and release something closer to desktop 1070 as laptop flagship just because their big thing for next year is 1080Ti and they would want to offer laptop users an upgrade at the same time.
It sucks because it means that we will have to wait one year for a card we could have now. Similar to what happened with Kepler.

 

And the official GTX 1070 page is up:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1070

Specs:

Nvidia claims ~70% better performance than GTX 970: