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    Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by J.Dre, Oct 11, 2014.

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    Upgrading to Pascal would be a major jump for me - coming from Kepler, 3-4 times the performance! Good news about launching in 2016 - I can definitely wait that long, games still running good on my GPU.
     
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    Oh, yes. You'll be very happy. :D

    The rumor mill is back in order (to a certain extent). Now that we know the 990M was never going to be "980M SLI performance," we can return to the original Pascal claim that the 1080M will be 980M SLI performance. :cool:

    Going to be an exciting year! AMD is also rejoining the game with Artic Islands, which should be very interesting.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Meh common sense would've dictated that 990M with 980M SLI performance just wasn't going to be possible on 28nm. But I digress.
     
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    Common cents seems to be in short supply these days, maybe I should start a bank
     
    octiceps, Sep 18, 2015
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I'll donate tree fiddy if you start one :D
     
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    Theoretically, if I were to jump from my 9600m GT (in signature) to say 970m (though I actually plan on waiting until HBM mobile is released either from AMD or Nvidia - I'd prefer AMD on that part though), by how many times would the jump in question be?
     
    Deks, Sep 18, 2015
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    970M vs. 9600M GT
     
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    LOOOL!

    1177 vs 30252 3DMark Vantage GPU score...

    That's like over 25 times more powerful.

    Just as reference, my 4W TDP CPU with IGP in my laptop performs better than your 9600m GT. :p
     
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    25.7 times more powerful to be exact.

    As for your 4W TDP CPU with IGP doing better than my 9600m GT... my laptop is almost 7 years old.
    CPU-wise, I'm looking at a difference of about just over 6 times for multithreading, while the GPU would be 25.7 times faster.

    Interesting... still, I can make due until HBM - actually, I have to because I cannot afford right now to part with a large sum of money due to starting college and having to find a part-time weekend job (won't be able to stay on my current one due to schedules).
     
    Deks, Sep 18, 2015
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    It will be worth the wait.
     
    J.Dre, Sep 18, 2015
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    Yeah I know, but in credible 7 years, and go from 100W TDP to 4W TDP at 25 times more powerful. That's actually 625 times more powerful in 7 years, because 25 times more TDP x 25 times more performance.
     
    HTWingNut, Sep 18, 2015
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    Although 9600MGT is only a 35W card (or 45W perhaps) from memory, not the 100W you mention. And your iGPU doesn't have 25 times more performance than the 9600M GT, the 970M does. Have I missed something, it is quite early here for a Saturday morning!?
     
    Robbo99999, Sep 19, 2015
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    My 23 yo son is building a desktop. After learning (paying a little bit of attention) about Skylake and Pascal we decided to move up to the Skylake i5. He was going to get a GTX 970. He has an old monitor that is 900p so I convince him to back down to a GTX 960 and to save his pennies for the best bang for the buck will be when Pascal arrives. It saved him about $140 for now which he can use later. w00t!
     
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    Great suggestion! 960 at 900p will be perfect match. Now just hold out for a year and then have an awesome Skylake i7 and high end Pascal and get a 2560x1440 or 4k LCD! :)
     
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    I'm actually considering doing the same thing but with an X99 build because prices seem to be going down on motherboards. Been pricing builds... :cool: I'd get everything "good" except the GPU, in preparation for Pascal. ;) Skylake is not much of an improvement (performance wise).*

    *Skylake prices are also obscene. The 5820k is cheaper than the 6700k.
     
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    My 9600m GT is 23W (not 35W, and certainly not 100W).
    As for 25 times difference... yes, that figure was for 970m when compared to 9600m (dGPU for dGPU).
    On the cpu scale alone, the multithreading difference in performance between P9600 and 4970S (for example) is 6 times (in favour of 4970S).

    Btw, my CPU (P9600) is 25W - so TDP-wise, HTWingNut, you're a bit off.
     
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    Yes, I wasn't imagining things in my early Saturday morning waking hours then!
     
    Robbo99999, Sep 19, 2015
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    I'd be making quite a bit of jump here as well.

    my nVidia T61 -> to Alienware 13 with GTX960M and i7 (hopefully 6500U) :D

    ---
    P.S. Cant find anything worth investing over at Lenovo these days, lol.
     
    miro_gt, Sep 19, 2015
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    "According to a report published by Business Korea, NVIDIA has selected Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) to be the manufacturer of the Pascal GPU. TSMC and Samsung were previously both in the running for the contract, but sources tell Business Korea that Samsung is out of the running." - Source

    "Samsung and Hynix are planning to commence mass production later this year so NVIDIA will have the choice to select from two manufacturers while AMD is expected to stick with SK Hynix as their partner for HBM2 memory that will be featured on their Arctic Islands cards that are also suggested to feature up to 32 GB HBM2 VRAM." - Source

    Contradictory? o_O
     
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    Wow, so going from 140M to 960M? Which CPU?

    Will be a huge change for me as well, from Clarksfield to i7-6700K and from 5830M to 980M.

    The new P50 looks nice!
     
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    Samsung is out of the running for the CHIP, but they can still get the HBM2 order, depending on when they and Hynix start production. Although given the shortage of HBM1, I can't see HBM2 avalability would be any better, even with Samsung in the running. Neither have start HBM2 production yet so who knows what kind of problems they will run into. My bet is a Pascal paper launch in June 2016.
     
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    He wants a thriple screen setup eventually. I suggested he hold off and he thought my reasoning was sound. :)

    Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk
     
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    TSMC? What ever could go wrong.....
     
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    You are correct sir. I'm an idiot. Yes, too early Saturday.
     
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    Haha, you're too harsh on yourself!
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    What indeed.
     
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    It looks like NVIDIA is officially launching the Pascal lineup at Computex 2016, and attending CES 2016.

    Here's the booth list:

    [​IMG]

    Back to the original launch schedule, just in time for E3. :)
     
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    Where does it say they are launching it?
     
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    Nowhere. Nvidia never launches a new GPU gen at a trade show like CES.
     
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    Yeah, not CES. They'll be launching at (or after) Computex.*

    *More specifically: the last weeks of May through the month of June.
     
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    Ok, cool. So if they launch in June, when can we reasonably expect to be able to buy these things?
     
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    The GTX 780 launched May 23rd, and the GTX 780M launched May 30th. I'm assuming they're going back to this launch schedule.

    They're usually available immediately on NVIDIA's website shop (the desktop cards). Mobile will come soon after.

    Not sure when Amazon will have the desktop cards, but I doubt it will be more than a few days. I'd even be willing to bet Amazon has already pre-ordered them for "launch day delivery."
     
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    Ok, thanks for the info. :)

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    Presumably that's desktop. So... late summer launch for mobile I take it. Neato.
     
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    Yeah, should be by E3.

    GREAT NEWS! The first of NVIDIA's Pascal GPU's are ahead of schedule and have been spotted in transit from TSMC to testing laboratories. - Source

    [​IMG]
     
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    So close yet so far XD.

    Feels wrong to buy a new PC without waiting.
     
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    200k Indian rupees, so around $3k USD, not bad. ;)

    Err...going by your signature looks like you have some toys to keep you busy until then
     
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    Wow I didnt know nvidia had a testing facility in India. Interesting, maybe a break-in could be planned :p
     
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    I'm starting to wonder if they may do a thing like the 980 for notebook right out of the gate for pascal, maybe even shrink it down to the standard mxm size. as from what everything i have been seeing is supposedly the finfet+ process is gonna add a whole lot of effeciency on top of what the arcitechure change and die shrink.

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    Ahead of plans?
    Samples - about 9 month until sale.
    We should also be prepared that Nvidia will use these cards for Tesla. Fermi was delayed for months because Nvidia needed the cards for Tesla clusters.

    If there is no pressure on Nvidia from AMD, its much more fun to sell 3000dollar compute cards than 650-1000 dollar gaming cards where people complain about the price.

    Lets hope AMD puts pressure on Nvidia = we get cards quicker.
     
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    Well we have learnt one new thing in the past few days. There won't be a separate lineup for desktop and mobile this time around. It'll all be one single product stack. The M nomenclature will be no more.
     
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    I'm currently laptop-less.
     
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    Dont mean to bother, but do you have a source for that? id like to read it.

    And a truly hope your bang on the money. lol. with vr gaming and 4k becoming the norm id love to have a notebook on par with desktops. w
    It would be the first time in recent memory i can have my cake and eat it too.

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    I hope there's no longer a large gap between mobile and desktop performance. The latest Clevo P870DM with the GTX 980 performs equal to or better than desktops with the GTX 980 because it is designed to be overclocked.

    I still think they will be signified by an "M" in the name, though. However, the performance gap should be within 5%.

    P.S. There's always the chance that NVIDIA will "dial back" the performance intentionally to extend the shelf life of Pascal.
     
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    i hope thats the case, otherwise i could see nvidia would probably continue with the current way of doing things but have a "full flagship" card for notebooks.

    I hope not. I'd like to eat my cake rather than stare and pine at it.

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