Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

I wasn't talking about my dream PC lol, just upgrading what I have now.

As for async, the hardware support is not there. It uses a scheduler that is highly inefficient compared to AMD's hardware implementation. nVidia has just gotten away with getting developers not to switch contexts too much but the performance boost on AMD hardware is very noticeable in the games that are developed to take advantage of it. nVidia won't have full support until Volta. nVidia is literally just throwing muscle at it (which is pretty effective when you have a 1.8GHz clockspeed to work with) to tip the scales. There are no game changing architecture enhancements in Pascal compared to Maxwell other than the gains from the FinFET technology that somehow AMD failed to reap.

 

interesting convo:

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Machines should be in customer hands in October.

 

Pretty safe guess but enough to sway me from spending $ on a mobile 980. I'm going to make do with my friends loaner 675m lol..
As they say.. No pain no gain. Lol

 

I used this for reference: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9124/amd-dives-deep-on-asynchronous-shading

Though I apparently also found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/3j5e9b/analysis_async_compute_is_it_true_nvidia_cant_do/

So now I'm rather confused.

Edit: The reason I think it increases is because there's only one unit. For example, AMD can do 64 queues, but it has 8 blocks doing 8 queues each. It's MORE parallel, but it doesn't mean it's incapable of it.

I don't think Pascal is any significant amount better, But they shouldn't completely be incapable of it.

 

nVidia cards have to finish the job that they're doing and require a scheduler that isn't very efficient while AMD cards can rapidly switch contexts.

Async is a complex thing though so I don't have a total understanding of how it all works either, nor do I have the desire to learn, I just know that nVidia can't process the requests like AMD can and it causes things to get backed up like the interstate during rush hour.

 

currently async is more like a marketing tool used by amd / nvidia to harass each other

 

Zotac GTX 1080 AMP/AMP Extreme Overview #Computex2016

 

Asus Video Card Product Manager goes over the Strix 1080 and XG 2 Station - mentions connecting to GL702 and other laptops, XG2 shipping end of Q3 2016

Asus ROG Strix GTX 1080 & XG Station 2 Graphics Dock (Computex 2016) | Allround-PC.com

 

Wildest Cooling solution yet, Triple Fan + Integrated Water Cooling!

iGame Colorful GTX 1080 Overview #Computex2016


COLORFUL shows off trio of iGame GeForce GTX 1080

 

A 3+1 fan cooler...

Inno3D iChill X4 GTX 1080 Overview #Computex2016


Inno3D iChiLL GeForce GTX 1080 x4 Gaming Graphics Card

 

See => Upcoming (Pascal) Models on display
https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/9968-clevocomputex-2016/

 

I've been aware of these refreshes for awhile. That doesn't change the fact that Clevo doesn't have the greatest track record with keeping scorching chips cool.

 

I really don't like the idea of sliding away from the "M" series, because now there won't be any relatively affordable high-end solutions anymore. Plus, the gap in price and performance between 1060M and 1070/1080 would be absolutely colossal. It doesn't make any sense to me, because the choice would be buying either a $1000 laptop with 1060M or $2500/3000 with 1070 and 1080 respectively.

 

too bad the posted pics arent high-res enough to make out the specs listing right next to the machines....

 

I thought that clevo have better themal control compared to competitors.

Or is it only at the point of Z97 laptop and newer? And old models not so much?

 

Actually, they just give you the option to use IC diamond for an extra fee.

Sent from my HTC One_M8

 

I still see reviews mentioning that Clevo's get hot and also throttle in extreme cases. Its just difficult to keep mobile hardware cool.

 

Not without hardmodding the environment around the cards. Just go over here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10262694

 

AMD cards can get overwhelm as well. Just less than nvidia. AMD have hardware async, nvidia uses software.

 

Interesting... I assume if DM is compatible, ZM should be too by virtue of being nearly identical.

If I were you I wouldn't be selling anything yet. Wait for the cards to be announced and specs/dimensions confirmed. At least a picture of them or something to help us determine their size and layout.

 

Hope MSI gets onboard with it soon too.

Sent from my HTC One_M8

 

Disagree. Dump them now-July, before the thought of 1080m under into people's mind. Worst case you buy them back at similar prices. Thats providing this is a non essential system and you have something else to game on.

Look like all those people dumping their 980/970/390x/390 now right after the polaris. You dump BEFORE the announcement, not after it.

 

Man, that many coolers sure do look amazing.

I really would like to have one of those super beefed cards around! XD

On the other hand, I guess I am a bit lost at OC with the new cards... I mean, they already achieve more than anything that was on the market... by a considerable margin... Maybe this time nVidia pushed the clocks as much as they could go, leaving a much smaller overhead for overclockers to play with ?

 

MSI GT83 and 73 are still sporting the Maxwell too like the ASUS GX800. I wonder what those Clevo have in em, that 120Hz with G-Sync option looks sweet and way better than 4K imho. No Alienware at Computex, from hero to zero what a misery.

 

DTR is okay

GX800 is not DTR, it's a desktop

 

I still not convinced GTX 980m pascal version will be non MXM format. MSI will have to have a MXM 3.0b standard pascal high end card of some form. IMO.

Ofcourse I could be totally wrong... although heatsinks might be different. Not sure if clevo would still support a p570wm.

 

I gather it would only need that much power when it is docked to the watercooling attachment - why not simply incorporate the PSU inside that huge thing?

 

OT: Everyone here heard of that teamviewer breach?

If you use TV, time to look into it... I heard its pretty bad.

 

MSI and ASUS price their machines way too much, ASUS GX800 looks astonishing on paper but the BGA limitation with the price factor, nature of ASUS corp makes worthless for the premium they are asking, Wish the Alienware pulled this one out instead of going the retarded way, Props to @Cass-Olé for the link. Edit : @JAY8387


Ultimately Clevo for us all, looking forward for the SLI successor to the P570WM.

 

True that buddy.
The lower end models are somewhat fair but they gouge too much compared to a good reseller of clevo on high end model.

 

Yeah! Short of a saudi prince who the hell even buys those laptops?

The gx700 is already very overpriced. It's a cool and different cooling solution but I'd rather have a P7xxDM series Clevo, a desktop pc and a new phone for the same price.

Threads on the gx700 are rare around here. There's a handful of youtube videos and that's it...

The gx800 at 6000usd is just crazy

 

What?! Oh no...

 

Yea but their machines are built better. And msi reall doesn't cost much more

 

Yeah, from what I seen, people had fraudulent charges on their cards/paypal? and other people logging into their PC. Seems really bad...

 

Well the good news is I've never bought anything from them and it isn't currently installed on any of my machines but that's a bummer, that's one of the biggest tools in my toolkit since I don't leave the house often.

 

Sorry to hear that. And I meant in a way that the hackers may have left keyloggers etc on your PC.

Unless you dont do any E-shopping. I have no idea but I would think they may have access to your entire PC.

 

http://en.yibada.com/articles/12849...exist-1080-1070-enthusiast-version-gaming.htm

 

I was talking about that on the gt80 forum earlier

 

LOL you really think I'm dumb enough to not disable remote access to my machine? I only ever used it to access other people's machines. Mine used the random password stuff, not the numbers, so even on the off chance the software glitched and showed my computer nobody would have been able to get in. This is obviously a case of people being stupid, not a security breach. If they weren't using 2 factor authentication they got what they had coming. I use 2FA on anything I can.

Anyway we are way off topic. Pascal. I'm becoming less and less interested in Pascal every day. It looks like a good 980 Ti is a better purchase.

Have you ever picked up your brick when it's under a full load? These machines get hot enough without adding another massive heat source into the equation.

 

It's a misinformed article again ( Aorus Computex), no laptop maker ever showed us a Pascal mobile GPU, I don't think Gigabyte could pull it off without ASUS & MSI.

HYPE HYPE !!

 

Keeps the heat generated by the PSU outside the cooler

 

Mule's man, they're all Mules for display.

Just like Nvidia and the old switcheroo with the Maxwell MXM used as a Mule for the Pascal car auto-driver-brain demo.

Unicorns, they're thick on the ground compared to Pascal MXM's

 

Well, 980ti is still too expensive, runs to hot - too much power required - not gonna be "mobilized", and misses out on all those VR enhancements in the 1080.

I think you are thinking of the 1080ti, just around the corner

 

If just around corner means next year, sure..

 

They already have devID's for the chips, and so someone at Nvidia must have them running somewhere, maybe just in emulation still?

The 980ti is dead, worth <$599 now, or <$379 June 10 - new, used it's gotta be a hard sell, what with all those 980ti's flooding the market to make room for 1080/1080ti's.

 

There is mentions of GV100 in the driver..... doesnt mean its imminent launch. GTX 1080ti is not coming soon. It would cannibalize their 1080 market so badly.

 

I'm sure Nvidia won't disappoint, and price the 1080ti well above the 1080, out of reach for many people.

Silicon costs the same, if they can push all 1080 buyers to 1080ti buyers, I think that would be a greater profit for all.

The 1080 inventory is small now and getting sold out as soon as it ships.

Come on Nvidia, announce / ship the 1080ti

Spoiler

Nvidia GP102 PCI Device IDs (GTX 1080 Ti / Next TITAN)
The second batch of chips is for the famed GP102 core. This is the very same core that will be powering the next GTX 1080 Ti and the next TITAN series of graphics cards from Nvidia. We expect the die to be around 472mm in size and will probably have around 3840 cores. You can read up more on the GP102 and GTX 1080 Ti editorial over here. The device IDs are divided into two variants but are part of the same family, so it is possible that this particular pascal GPU only has one chip configuration.

1B00 Graphics Device (GP102-A)
1B01 Graphics Device (GP102-A)
1B30 Graphics Device (GP102GL-A)
1B38 Graphics Device (GP102GL-A)
1B3E Graphics Device (GP102GL-A)
1B40 Graphics Device (GP102-B)
1B41 Graphics Device (GP102-B)
1B6E Graphics Device (GP102-B)
1B6F Graphics Device (GP102-B)
1B70 Graphics Device (GP102GL-B)
1B78 Graphics Device (GP102GL-B)

 

There would be a titan first. And the price tag of 1080 is sucking out all the enthusiasts buyers.

If they launch 1080 ti next year June, you effectively get twice the revenue once everyone jumps to upgrade again.

Also Pascal has to hold until 2018, do you really think nvidia is gonna show most of its cards in 2016?

 

Yeah, but many aren't buying both, why go through the hassle of upgrading and wasting $ for a small benefit, even a big one, $ doesn't grow on tree's

Well, folding money *is* made of tree's, but you know what I mean

The 1080's spurned by owners for a Ti, and put on the used market take away a new sale of a 1080, so you aren't really selling 2 to the same person - or gaining an extra sale.

Some don't take the trouble to sell them, they give them away to a nephew / niece / spouse, but that has the same effect - taking away a sale of the 1080.

Besides, this first batch of cards is somewhat limited, perhaps only in the eye's of those with high expectations, and many are waiting for another revision of the 1080 or the 1080ti version before bying, and that is going to limit sales until they are released.