Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

With the Ti being so cut compared to the Titan, I don't think it would hurt Nvidia much at all to release the Ti say December and then hold the Titan for June.

 

I'm betting they will release a TI this year. Or something more powerful than the 1080.

 

Its not a bad bet. Unlike 780 Ti and the 980 Ti, the 1080 Ti is not a full GP102, only the Titan is. The people who would buy the 1080 Ti already have a 980 Ti and are unlikely to make a sidegrade to the 1080 over just turning up the juice on the 980 Ti and waiting. Look how many held on to their 780 Ti cards when the 980 came out.

 

Apologies if this has been posted.

http://wccftech.com/aorus-x7-pro-updated-4k-display-huge-graphics-upgrade/

... Claiming to have 1080m SLI.

 

I'm thinking December

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Tweaktown retracted this with an update...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-356#post-10269628

It looks like a mis-communication, it's really a 970m SLI...

"UPDATE: The Aorus X7 Pro actually features dual GeForce GTX 970M in SLI, not dual GTX 1080M, and the 17-inch display runs at 3K 120Hz, not 4K 120Hz. A GIGABYTE representative reached out to us to confirm the specs, and apologies for the mix up--we were going off of reports from another source."

 

Usually stock paste and not using max fans. I've seen people claim overheating and had my machine run cooler in my *FAR* hotter environment. As well as people on this forum in general. People don't review properly. I don't even think I have all the tools to review properly, but I sure as hell could do a better job than most of them.

This REALLY depends on Vega. If Vega 10 is in October like I believe has been reported, AND it rips GP104 to shreds, they *WILL* launch fast. Remember how fast the 980Ti came out when they were scared of Fiji? Even the Titan X came out around the time they started going on about Fiji, expecting Fiji to never compete with it. But when Fiji was $650 for a couple % slower performance... well they got mighty scared.

The 780Ti is full GK110. The 980Ti is NOT full GM200. It has 2816 cores as opposed to the 3072 cores in the Titan X. This is why the card is so good; the lower core count & amount of memory allowed it to overclock further without power limits being a problem. Custom vBIOSes make the Titan X cards tear 980Ti cards to absolute shreds, because they're allowed to draw the extra power they need. Superclocked cards killed even higher clocked Titan X cards like it was going out of style.

Not really. With the way they're pushing it, people are thinking to upgrade right now. The same kind of people who don't overclock and don't do much research. People on my twitter with 980Ti SLI were considering heavily getting 1080s. It was ridiculous. And when the 1080Ti comes out, they're probably going to grab it too.

These are the people that actually do the research and weigh the options. They're rather small considering the sheer number of buyers. Believe me, the idiots I meet when I avoid forums like this but still use the net, FAR LESS speak to people IRL.

*shudders*

 

Problem is that nvidia smashed the value of their 980ti and titan x on the press conference.
If you don't want to lose so much value on the previous gen card, better sell it fast and buy the 1080.

 

Reference vs reference, not counting last-gen overclocking, maybe. 980Ti at max OC probably still murders 1070 at max OC. We know Titan X at a high OC (1500MHz or so) can deal with 1080s even with some OC juice in em.

 

http://videocardz.com/60927/colorful-motherboard-with-geforce-gtx-1070-on-board

Prototype Socketed motherboard with MXMish 1070. Like the article says probably for a brix or steam machine type system.

 

The 1080Ti will have around 3400 CUDA cores, which is at least a 50% performance improvement over the current 1080. This should put the 1080Ti at about 70% better than the 980Ti (depending on other variables like clock speed), which isn't a bad jump. Depends on your budget and what you have now.

The 980Ti is already a very powerful and capable card. If they can manage to provide 70% or more performance improvement with the next Ti series card, I'll be impressed no matter how you slice it. If you're expecting 100% or more, your expectations are unrealistic in today's "re-brand" market.

I'll be recommending my friend upgrade from his 780 to a 1080Ti. It should almost triple his performance.

 

What I disagree with is their ricing price every year.

1080 FE msrp is higher than 980, same if you compared the speculated Ti prices that's going to come out.

 

That's what happens when there's no "real" competition in a free market economy. Blame AMD. NVIDIA is just taking advantage of the situation. If AMD released a card that would be more powerful than the 1080, NVIDIA would be forced to be more competitive with pricing.

I think it's time for a new player to enter the market. This isn't headed anywhere good.

 

Nvidia bought out all the players years ago. There is nobody left but AMD.

 

Wasn't there talk of Intel bringing out a dedicated graphics card?


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Intel is definitely not interested in that market right now. They would have to make a massive investment into graphics technology to do so. No I think they're quite happy with things as they are now. Besides that, Intel is already falling behind their schedules now, opening up a high end graphics division wouldn't help them at all in that regard.

 

And AMD seems quite happy with the console market instead of Notebook and Desktop scene. Banking on the Ashes benchmarks...meh. It's VEGA else permanently lost.

 

I'd like to see Elon Musk enter the GPU market just because he'd probably come up with some quantum computing graphics that makes the GTX 1080 look like a GTX 460M.

 

Intel is already heavily competing with NVIDIA. The reason why GP100 was such a bold approach was because of a potential Xeon Phi taking their marketshare.

 

grIntel has no idea how the future would happen, that's why they bought Altera.

Yeah, blame AMD with their 1/5th capitalization and more or less the same amount of investment in newer tech (thank God for the console market). You do realize that these chips cost the same for everyone, no? Blame nGREEEEEEDIA for being greedy, no one else FULL STOP!

 

The Phi is not a gaming card. I was talking about high end graphics as in consumer gaming, not an x86 compatible 60 core add on card running a micro OS that games would have to be specifically designed to even use in the first place. I can't see Intel going into discrete graphics and if they did, our situation would be worse than what we have now with NVIDIA and AMD since Intel and Nvidia would drive prices up after crushing AMD.

 

I know. I was more saying that NVIDIA are still competing in certain areas. Just gaming wise, well, AMD never had a chance after maxwell.

 

AMD hasn't had a chance for a long time now. Even when they were the fastest, they were plagued with driver issues and consumer confidence in them was damaged. Nvidia is starting to head down the same path so maybe we will see AMD claw back marketshare, especially with the crap that went down with the Pascal launch, but as long as AMD insists on leaving full compute capability in, Nvidia will continue to pull ahead.

 

We will see soon in June 29th of their new revision of gcn.

 

I think their power point presentation that could have been made by a third grader will ultimately be more interesting than the product itself.

 

dont forget apple was thinking of making their own dedicated gpus, which would hurt amd more considering they put amd gpus in apple computers now

 

I've heard of Apple taking over their mobile SoC GPUs but nothing on the desktop or laptop side.

ATI sold off their Imageon tech to Qualcomm (Adreno is an anagram of Radeon) YEARS ago so Apple making their own SoC GPU wouldn't hurt AMD at all.

 

If Nvidia is going to price a 1080 ti over $750 (which it most likely will) I will RAGE

 

Prepare to rage. There's no doubt it will be around the 1k mark.

 

Doubt it...it will kill the market for the Titan. 800-850 sounds about right. It's still way too freaking much smh. UNLESS AMD is going to come through with something surprisingly cheap

 

It won't kill the market for the Titan. The Titan is rumored to come with 24GB and its the only full GP102 core (3840 CUDA cores vs 3456 on the Ti). People that want the Titan will pay the premium for it.

 

Unless it comes with some type of a quadro feature and/or HBM2, seems like a waste. I want to say I will skip, but you know me well enough to know whats gonna happen anyways....

 

Yeah its definitely GDDR5X and since the CUDA core count is even higher than GP100, it would appear that compute abilities have been nerfed and more CUDA cores added if the leaks are right.

 

GP100 is a 3840 core part... not sure if I follow. GP102 have to have something like 8 GPCs then???

 

Bah, I messed up. Its the same CUDA count as the GP100. I went to look up the Tesla P100, not the GP100 itself. That's what I get for being lazy.

 

Yeah, GP100 IS the highest. GP102 is probably GP100 minus compute/DP capabilities... which will still retail for $1000+. If the 1080 is $600 (not counting the scamming edition) then I assume the 1080Ti (assuming no rebrand into 1100 series, like 600/700 behaviour) to be round $850+. And the GP102 Titan (which probably will be a pure gaming card) will be $1300 or so.

What does it matter, though? Vega probably ain't competing. Unless Vega 10's best card is within 5% of GP102 (whether or not it can OC far) and costs something like $600, there's no competition.

 

So from what I can see the new laptops that will come with pascal cards will be over £2k ? Thats just too much when the desktops will half the price or more if going for 1070. On top of they aiming for back to school season. But students cant afford that?
Also there isnt much said about RX 480 for laptops? Any idea on how it will be preforming?

I am confused on what would be the best option for someone who is looking for a gaming laptops. Right now the prices for laptops are also dropping with the 900 series cards. Is it wise to just go for 980m laptop instead of dreaming for 1070/1080 and realising I cant scratch the surface with my current budget. Which is around £1.5
Generally speaking, 980m is powerful for most gaming needs, I am wrong?

 

There will be a 1070M and 1080M. You should await the announcement of mobile before making any decisions.

It will be very similar to how it is now but anything with a 1070M will likely be over $1799 and anything with a 1080M will likely be over $2199. There will be a 1040M, 1050M, 1060M, etc. (or whatever they name it). Those are going to improve quite a bit as well, so they're still an option for budget gamers.

Laptops with the DESKTOP "mobile" 1070 and 1080 will likely be well over $2500 (base). Some will be up to $5000 with water cooling.

 

Thanks! But I have heard that they are dropping the M series for the 1070/1080? Is this some false information?
If they do release the M version for those cards, than surely its best to wait. ~$2000 is around £1500 which is fine for my budget. I am not planning on playing 4k games or that. So 1070/1080M perfect for my gaming needs and work. If the price is going to be as we speculate. This will also give me to save up over the summer

 

It's a rumor. They are merely transitioning to desktop GPU's in laptops. The "M" series market is too large to drop support.

For every laptop sold with a 980 in it, there's probably 100 sold with the 970M or lower (inc. Zenbooks and Macbook's with dGPU's).

 

No no no...that doesn't go together...
$850 for gddr5x and a disabled gp102 ? And how come it's going to gain 60% over a 1080 ?
People are not that dumb, even the ones that don't do the research will see it as a rip-off
1080 doesn't seem like a good bang for a buck on top of that it's running hot. 1070 is floating in the middle and I have a feeling will get outdated fast
HBM2 and a full GP102 or go home.

 

Another leak
http://wccftech.com/geforce-gtx-1080-gpu-for-notebooks-specifications-leaked/

 

Following the data leaks, it seems as if 1080m will be around a desktop 980, give or take...

 

If that's the 1080M (the 2048 cores 1447MHz etc) then that's give or take just under a 1070, or a reference Titan X.

 

That better be the 1080M not the 1080 (notebook) card otherwise there will be even more confusion. The 1080 (notebook) card should have the same shader count as the desktop card just like the 980 (notebook) card has the same as the desktop card.

 

Yeah, I know. I already sort of let them have it on that linked article. I get so annoyed when people simply get EVERYTHING wrong about notebooks. "We think there won't be much boost clock because battery life" WHAT.

 

The 1080 doesn't actually run that hot. It runs as hot as every reference cooler GPU has in the past. This video explains it well:



I'm sure MSI, EVGA, etc. will all release 1080's capable of never reaching the 80's.

 

If those specs are correct, gain some shaders vs 1070 desktop and lose some clock speed- which to me is preferred. I can't add shaders later, but I can hopefully overclock.
Seems good for a mobile card. GTX 980M had slightly less than the 970 Desktop, 1080M has slightly more than the 1070 desktop.
That appears to be headed in the right direction for parity.

 

yes, as long as

- this is indeed the MOBILE flagship 1080M and NOT the desktop 1080 mobile
- pricing is comparable to 980M when it was introduced
- a proper desktop 1080 mobile follows suit

thats a lot of conditions...

 

The following has been stated before, but merits reiteration.

The naming scheme with these cards -- 980M, 980 Desktop Mobile, etc. -- is beyond asinine.