Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

So you were supposed to get a 980 SLI model? I don't really get how this post says you didn't get your own machine. But oh well.

 

Everyone was supposed to be able to get a Special "Prema Mod Limited Edition Phoenix" with GTX980 SLI, hand picked DELID CPUs, factory printed LIDs etc. which I had prepared last year in October...we kept waiting for the other party until it was too late...but the Phoenix will rise again and this time with thunder!

 

Well that's unfortunate. I did want one of those Phoenix models.

Are you ever going to open your own shop maybe? Hehe. I still want one of those T_T.

 

That sounds mouth-watering !
I totally forgot about this. Im a sucker for collectibles and this one wouldve been a pricey one

 

You can see it in the first post here.

 

GTX 980 SLI? Not Ms? In a P870DM? :O~ Although being 2016 I would think that it's gonna be 1080 SLI now judging by your hints of "rising with a thunder"

 

How? The TDP's don't match up. You can't run a 970m at 45-50W TDP and also it's a 192-bit chip. I don't think we'll see Maxwell rebrands from 1060M and up.

 

If they die-shrink the 970M and run it on 16nm it probably could suffice. Even if they copy the specs onto Pascal's process; the hugely reduced core count and Pascal's improved power efficiency over Maxwell means that you could get a 970M's performance out of a Pascal chip at the 960M's TDP, possibly.

Though I do agree that it's rather unlikely this would happen.

 

In this case you REALLY should open up your own shop! I can already see the long tail waggling out of the front door!

 

If only such a thing was as simple as opening a shop. But kudos to perma for working hard to try and make it happen

 

Prema did mention there will be a 965m v2 which has greatly improved efficiency. So I guess Maxwell 965m may continue to live on for a while. But that's another naming conundrum because that would be 965m's second tuning with significant improvement but still being called a 965m. Otherwise 940m, 950m, 960m are getting long in the tooth and if 1070m and 1080m are as fast as they are asserting, then we will definitely need minimum 970m performance with the 1060m.

 

That would mean there are THREE 965M cards, not two.

965M v1 --> GM204. The P6xxSA models should have this version.
965M v2 --> GM206. The N155RF models my sisters each have use the GM206 version.
965M v3 --> As of yet an unknown quantity.

Octiceps was telling me how the GTX 950 and possibly the GTX 965M GM206 versions have an improved framerate limiter in nVidia Profile Inspector. Instead of an approximation of framerate limiting, it should be perfectly stable without decimals (I.E. limit to 60fps will give a CLEAR 60fps across the board; unlike before where you would have to limit to ~60.5fps and drops to 59fps would happen).

 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we saw benchmark leaks by the end of this month.

Sounds about right, though. It's the right time for it all. The newer models of laptops usually come out in Q3. Companies spend all summer at events building hype for their new products and plan to hit the shelves for "back to school" shopping in the Fall, and in time for the holiday season.

That's what I live for. Can't wait for more!

 

Right. I said *second tuning* which means original --> tuning 1 v2 ---> tuning 2 v3

Either way it's still a rebrand...

 

Looks like a Clevo P775DM2 with Pascal was exhibited at Computex








Source: http://videocardz.com/60935/geforce...a-pg611-board-spotted-gp102-400-gpu-confirmed

 

Best GTX 1080s at Computex 2016 | ASUS, EVGA, GByte, MSI

 

Enough 1080 reviews already. Seen 1 seen em' all with 95% of these plebs.

 

I can't believe laptops are still using 2MP front facing cameras. At least 5MP would be nice.

 

Most of the external camera's are limited to that res too. But yeah, no excuse with an internal camera.

 

So, laptops coming within the next couple months?

 

120 Hz screen

 

Best news ever... this needed to happen..again

 

Nvidia next generation graphics card*

* = Maxwell 3.0

/sarcasm/

Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

 

Truth is often said in jest...

 

If they use the standard MXM 3.0b layout then they should work in the P570WM.

 

The 120Hz screen in the P775DM2 G was way old news there are 4K 120Hz coming too @ T|I, But there's a bit of bad news for MXMs, read.

Spoiler: MXMs

The refreshes are very similar except for an additional USB 3.1 (USB 2.0 is gone), updated audio licenses (ESSTM SABRE HiFi DAC (headphone) / SOUND BLASTER® X-FI® MB5), official Kaby support etc...

Biggest change is that NVIDIA stopped giving ODMs MXM Reference designs.

The last two MXM supporter MSI and Clevo have to design/create their own solutions or join the BGA club (everyone else), which they don't do just yet... but vote with your wallets for upgrade-ability or it won't last much longer.

 

But at that point...

I mean, if they stop selling upgradability, we are just from where we started, I mean... What good does an upgradable card do, if we cannot buy the next generation for that laptop?

Almost like we ended up without any mxm at all. I still think that MXM performance is way above BGA, even if they stop being upgradable.

I mean, even if we buy a MXM without being able to upgrade, it using MXM standards should pack more power.

 

They all can't be winners.

It's tough enough getting information without cutting out information sources, as poorly trained and unrefined as they may be. There aren't that many field reporters, you gotta work with what is available.

But, I do understand, I haven't seen any others worth posting, they are all rehashes, sorry if this one wasn't up to your minimum standard

@SRSR333 I've been watching for 1060's for you, nothing yet. If it's about a 1080/1070 with no 1060 in the title, you'll know to skip it.

 

I still don't get why Clevo put the 5MP camera so that its facing out and the 2MP camera so that its my internal camera on my P377SM-A... Apparently its a laptop meant for spying or other behaviors because using that 5MP camera is next to impossible in most scenarios I imagine in my mind.

I am not surprised in the slightest with this unfortunate change. I wouldn't be surprised to see desktop CPUs gone with Cannonlake either. These machines are quite costly to make and I'm not sure the niche market they occupy can stay profitable unless other companies like MSI start offering them as well and then everyone wants one.

 

@Prema https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...ocomputex-2016/&do=findComment&comment=143801

All the MXM makers, develop their own boards, since Nvidia doesn't supply them.

I would imagine that Nvidia has been carrying the designs forward without much change for a while now.

Maybe it just means there are no board changes required for integrating Pascal into the standing MXM board design?

 

I believe AMD still does reference boards, just no ODM adopts them because...performance blows

 

I'd imagine that with the higher core count, there will have to be a new MXM board design to support the power needs of Pascal. Remember they changed everything with the 980M in a massive way and that was the first redesign in years - Pascal needs the same consistent clean voltage that Maxwell did or its going to be completely unstable.

 

@Prema https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...ocomputex-2016/&do=findComment&comment=143801

Extending power is likely the most implemented extension to the standard design.

With desktop Pascal, it's going to take more power, more cooling, and maybe a larger physical MXM to implement it all. Like it was for the 980 desktop.

Maybe the message from Nvidia is - the MXM design can't carry forward as is and fully implement the 1080 desktop.

Without the 'm's, the MXM board designed resources have been outgrown?

 

We are probably also getting to the point where MXM is going to finally become a bottleneck for the GPUs, maybe when GDDR5X moves to mobile and especially when HBM2 does. If we don't see the emergence of a new GPU standard, its quite likely that its all soldered in the not so distant future.

 

Probably this, unfortunately. Our days are numbered, ladies and gents

 

Which is really weird. Why would Nvidia go out and offer their full desktop GPU's for laptops when there is really no way to make it a soldered design? I mean you're going to load a 200W TDP board integrated into a laptop motherboard? Also why can't MSI and Clevo continue to offer their own MXM type boards anyhow? They'd have to design the chip to fit the motherboard, why not design it to fit a separate MXM board?

 

Because they can, and its cheaper. They already solder the 980M, you bet you will find soldered 1080M, what makes a mobile 1080 or 1180 any different? The end is coming for sure. Intel even wants to solder desktop chips at some point. If you aren't provided a reference for a new architecture, then its going to cost way too much $$$ to design, test, implement your own board when BGA support is flourishing.

 

Join the desktop side

Buuuut, some have already begun to try that crap there as well... I hope it will fail miserably and they will sell like 10 of that motherboard :/

http://videocardz.com/60927/colorful-motherboard-with-geforce-gtx-1070-on-board

 

If it comes to it...

I think I won't be the only crazy person to carry a desktop around in a backpack.

The more solder points, the more ways the entire board can fail. It is increasing the risk of failure, and for them increasing the chances of people changing it faster.

Given that 90% of the market are people buying laptops with under 950m or equivalent GPU, I'm sure they are doing it because of profits.

And I am sure there will be one emerging company that will still make tools for professionals. It wouldn't make sense to not be. Professionals and enthusiasts will always pay for their hardware and to cover their needs. I need a better laptop to make more money, of course I pay for it. Seems a logic decision for people to keep producing good laptops.

I mean, most soldered GPU are not a failure, but the CPUs are. In 90% of cases, there is ugly thermal throttle on CPU and not on GPU.

As I said, the more soldering they make, the more often people will throw away laptops that have only one component with problems.

 

Clevo laptops are being bought in NBR community and people who don't know the Clevo is the ODM they buy the Origin and etc but far less numbers, coming to MSI I think they boast their modularity with the MXM standard and people buy their machines as well over ASUS.

Considering the 980 200W mobile chip Nvidia wanted to go full blow on the mobile spectrum but this news, stopped delivering the reference design is way more radical than it looks. But really It depends on how much % of people are still gonna invest in the DTR scene and how the Nvidia's decision will impact the costs of these new Pascal Clevo / MSI MXM machines...

Also those ridiculous pricing of MXM modules and the SLI MSI / ASUS machines should come down else people won't buy them at all, AMD has a key role now, If they blew this the BGA will flood sooner than expected..

Very unfortunate turn of events.
I still remember that clock block fiasco and NBR community helped that stupid decision roll back, last resort if things go south

 

damn straight. if mxm boards go the way of the dodo, the NBR enthusiasts will make sure that their voice will be heard

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

damn straight. if mxm boards go the way of the dodo, the nbr enthusiast community will make sure its voice is heard loud n clear

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

I used to do that in the early to mid 2000's with my Shuttle cases. I had a perfect setup with the PC, mouse, keyboard, and a 17" LCD screen and of course a long extension cable.

 

We probably still get pascal MXM package form. Volta is a completely different bet.

 

http://videocardz.com/60950/nvidia-pascal-gp102-400-spotted

Full chip of Pascal has been spotted.

 

http://videocardz.com/60973/nvidia-geforce-10-mobile-series-to-be-released-in-august

From the link :
GeForce 10 mobile series are codenamed N17x, as revealed by leaked screenshot. The website also confirms that NVIDIA will not be using M postfix for its high-end cards. However, it does not necessarily mean they will share specifications with desktop variants.Earlier rumors indicate that NVIDIA is preparing new mobile Pascal graphics card with 2048 CUDA cores, and there is no such GP104 based GeForce card.

Bench Life confirmed with two NVIDIA partners: A (Asus?) and C (Clevo?), that we won’t be seeing new Pascal mobile cards till first week of August. NVIDIA could be waiting to see where Polaris 10 Radeon RX 400M parts will go.

 

Seems like mobile 1080s and 1070s are ready and Nvidia is just waiting for AMD to position their cards. The performance of the mobile 1080 with 2048 cores and reduced clocks should be at just about desktop 1070 level (Titan X). The only issue is the price, if AMD Polaris 10 is priced well, Nvidia might be forced to charge less premium for their non-M cards. Otherwise, I can imagine Ngreedia shouting "Titan X in mobile!" and charging $1500 for it.

I also wonder if that Chinese graph is legit, where 1080M was about 15% faster than 980 and R9 M495X was somehow between 1070M and 1080M.

 

Rumored Launch date of 19-Aug-2016

EDIT: I got a web security policy violation alert from my antivirus so I am deleting the link. It could be false positive so I am keeping the post. If you are still interested it is from techarp.com

 

That seems right.

Not. They're just attention whores.