Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

@ jaybee83

No don't misunderstand. The "I'm ok so it doesn't affect me attitude" never ends well for anyone in the end. I'm glad you've brought it up. It applies to so many things in life too.

But I'll call a spade a spade in that games in SLI in general have been going downhill fast , especially since Maxwell. I don't like it, because I love SLI and the option to have more power should I choose. However still, it is what it is. It's sad it's come to this.

UPDATE: It's especially hard to counter. BGA is easy.. I just don't buy the garbage in high end enthusiast machines and vote with my dollars. Boycotting 4 way SLI is something I've always unintentionally done (for whatever reason). Here anything short or 3 way SLI could be viewed as part of the problem.

 

Your parenthetical reasons are short-sighted..

- (because i wouldnt know how, anyways!)
Eh? How hard is it to buy an mxm card and throw it in there? Reapplying TIM is also a relatively simple affair. Some people just want light and thin and that means BGA. I've pasted more cpu and gpu over the 20 years I built my own systems than i care to count.

-(because laptops are SUPPOSED to be SUPER THIN, light and with insane battery life, its not about performance, anyways!),

No. They aren't SUPPOSED to be, some people just want that. For those that don't plenty of larger ones exist.

-(because i think overclocking in laptops is too dangerous, anyways!!!)

Yeah, no. Maybe some people just don't care about OC, and that's OK. For those that do, knock yourself out. Prema makes it easy for everyone to just flash and go.

-(because its way too expensive and scaling sucks, anyways!),
True, this is just another opinion. Agreed. If the functionality exists and someone wants to add more gpu why not. No one's business and money but their own.

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um... you are aware that those quotes do not state my personal stance on those matters, but are representative of most people out there buying laptops, as well as desktop only & anti-mobile enthusiasts, right? so arguing against those quotes is like answering rhetorical questions: superfluous

 

@hmf

I believe his referring to choices being taking away. I'm sure we can all agree choice is good - whatever your inclinations are. Being stripped of choices and being told 'everything is awesome' isn't cool.

 

I see what you're saying. Can't deny that.

I was a long time complainer and advocate against BGA, restricted overclocking, etc. but the unfortunate reality of it is, there's nothing we can do as a minority in this market. After a couple years of posting and complaining, nothing changed and things only became worse because the members of NBR represent maybe 1%-3% of the entire market.

Don't let the little things in life cause you to miss out on living. If you really want 3-way SLI, it's still possible. Go for it. Do what you have to do for you.

 

Remember 'clock-block'!

If it weren't for the storm that mobile community unleashed on them, they would have taken the little OC (135Mhz) their mobile chips had for years, away for good.

They wanted the mobile GTX980 and all its successors to be the only officially OC supported mobile chips. No conspiracy, just ask anyone in the business...

 

I think that they should had improved sli before it came to this. 3-way sli never worked great, they should had fixed it instead of bailing on it now.

The fact is that less than a thousand customers get more than 2-way sli setups, so they find it advantageous to bail on those. Especially with the performance increase. But I totally would had wanted to have the possibility to buy functional 3-way or more sli setups. And functional, not the thing they have been selling.

So far, 2-way Sli only works with very specific programs and tasks, it is a pain to make it work., with the very specific profiles and such.

Best would be if there was a larger group of enthusiasts that asked for it. But as far as I know even professional dota2 players, and major competitions are run using a single GPU setup many times. It is the age we are in, they seem to deem more than 2 way sli redundant, now that a single card can harness so much power.

 

If Nvidia had optimized properly for 3 or 4-way sli, would some enthusiasts skipped a few generations cards. A loss-making project for the green vultures... Everything is about money... Making most money for themselves and offer their customers little as possible.

 

Who else find it disappointing that 1070 OC doesnt even come close to 1080. I was hoping for a repeat of 970, whihc if OC could match stock 980.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/12412769

Just got her in. MSI Gaming X 1080 @ Stock clocks and profiles. Max GPU temp on stock fans 69C.

 

nice, beating my total OC score by 58% and gpu score by 69%

 

I really thought the new 1080 gave more than 54% increase in graphics score with stock clock vs old 980. What a disappointment
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8756850/fs/8623432

 

well it depends, ud have to look at the overall performance in games and other benches to get a better overall picture of the performance differences

 

I usually don't care about benchmarks, just ran it for fun to see what it got at stock.

 

I know But still a disappointment

 

Nice score at stock, lets see it again when you have it nicely OC'd

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8756850/fs/8623432/fs/5708173#

 

No, you're coloring that by trying to put words into everyone's mouth that doesn't want a huge laptop that can take mxm and overclock it. It's apparent in your tone there's a disdain and agenda of blaming anyone who doesn't want what you do for any slight you see nvidia throwing your way.

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My beast still beats a stock 1080...probably beats it even with a little OC too! lol...I will probably have time soon to OC for benches and push that GPU score past 26k , I'm very close though

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8545698

 

u misunderstood me. what i disdain is not a different kind of needs and wants of users, but the stance that nobody cares whenever choice is being taken from them. as long as it doesnt affect them directly, theyre completely fine with the market being forced into one single corner. if youre into BGA, thin and light, superlong battery life above all else, go ahead, be my guest. as long as that doesnt mean that every. single. machine. out there is being forced into that exact format and takes away the option to go heavy / socketed / super performant. that was the whole point

 

that's just an obscene amount of power packed into such a small form factor...just wow. I wonder how many watts it draws lol

 

If that's happening then it's being driven by the market where the demand for notebooks that are not that isn't strong enough. It doesn't seem like that is the case though as there's tons of large options from Asus, MSI, Clevo, Gigabyte I think. Etc...

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according to @Prema there are only two major players left pushing nvidia for mxm gpu designs... msi and clevo, thats it. as for socketed cpus, i think clevo is the last one left, with msi coupling bga cpus with socketed gpus in some of their models. thats a bleak outlook...

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Some models of Clevo are the only game in town with both MXM and a socket CPU. That's all now.

 

even when switching to desktop, i would still want to get a laptop with socketed desktop cpu, but using an igpu. clevo offers such models and i like that

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The thing is, we only have two choices left now for laptops: either a BGA mobile CPU, or a desktop CPU. The latter is unfeasible in smaller laptops like the Clevo P6xx series, plainly because of the large socket size, the resultant large TDP and the bloody huge desktop PCH that needs to be on the laptop motherboard. So if we want a smaller laptop, it'll end up being entirely BGA.

Intel has stripped us of the rPGA socket, I'll say this time and again.

 

The BGA CPU's need to go through QA, at the fab, at Intel, and maybe even at the vendor. So those suckers are being plugged in, held in, "socketed" in, something... for example:

Test Sockets, Burn-In Sockets, IC Adaptors, Display Sockets, plus Standard & Custom Packaging Solutions
http://www.larsenassociates.com/AriesCSPpages/AriesCSPtestSockets.html

Those test rigs are built to withstand 10k's of operations, so they are built large and solid, with a heatsink built in some of them.

I betcha some enterprising party could take the idea, thin it out, and make it work in a laptop with air and water cooling fittings - or even in a desktop motherboard, when that inevitable day comes.

Socketize them BGA's, brothers!!

Make your own LGA replaceable realm, from BGA's.

They still won't have the higher TDP desired, or other LGA characteristics, but at least you can upgrade and replace them.

 

you can already buy BGA chips by themselves.

 

I don't like high TDPs. I'm already in a sweltering environment that practically needs air con, much less a fire-breathing monster...

 

Duh, but where are ya gonna plug in them BGA's?

Just say NO to Solder!!

 

That makes sense then, why get computer components that add to the heat load.

 

But SLI.. SLI is a total mess in most games, I had it for a few weeks with 970 SLI and then again for a few days with 980 Tis. Still the same mess, only supported fully in certain games, even when supported scaling was atrocious. Its basically good for benchmarks. That seems to be Nvidia's stance on it as well. Maybe these new HB SLI cables will make a difference?

Regardless that is one powerful laptop.

 

@Talon --> 21237​

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u need to bump it up to 1.21 jiga-watts or sumpin ...
screen-snip: Snailienware with AGA eGPU before | after

gtx 980m http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8706709\
GA + GTX1080 (OC) http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8727731

Make sure that Micro Star's been rode hard n' put away wet

 

I hope they release something for the GT80s. I have 2x 1080s in the desktop and it's pretty amazing on an LG oled tv to play AC or ArmA3. SLI off however for the reasons mentioned above.

I haven't played with any of the overclocking headroom with either the cpu or gpu. I will when I find time to play

 

holy ****snakes, nice setup u got there! although i think id trade the 1080 sli setup for a nice single gpu setup with hexacore cpu on 2011-3 socket instead, coupled with quadchannel ram

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The reason I should have consulted this forum before I built it. But it's fine for what I will be doing with it, Assetto Corsa, Live for Speed and Armed Assault. One of the 1080's will be going, generously gifting to build my mate an assetto corsa rig as a house warming present. He's kind of like a brother to me

Will upgrade the 1080 to the Pascal Titan equivalent on release and that should see me through a few years at least.

 

oh im not saying its a "wrong" setup, just that in my case i could need the extra cpu power and additional ram snappiness more than the extra gpu power best to be aware of your computational needs in order to spend those bucks the most efficient way

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I have not had any issues with sli this year. Even in Doom with forced AFR l get a nice boost and it doesn't even support sli. Most big titles have good support for it. Sometimes you need to tweak and hack it to work, but it's worth it !

 

Doom supported SLI until launch. Nightmare shadows require too much inter-GPU bandwidth (hello large reason SLI is being nerfed because nVidia couldn't sell NVLink to consumers and didn't want to design XDMA-style pascal chips) so until they (Doom devs) fix this, they left the game as "not supported". Try Black Ops 3 which had glitching shadows in SLI for over five months. Or KF2 which had (and may still have; haven't checked in a while, but I think they fixed it in 362.00) texture glitches where when spinning the camera for a few frames you could see through the walls in small sections of the map, or AC Syndicate which launched with negative scaling in SLI, etc.

What you play works ok, but considering the large number of available games as a whole, especially AAA launch titles, SLI is more of a "oh, I got it working! Neat!" rather than "ah, a new game. Time to max it out because #3x980Ti" or something.

 

3 pages in one week. Low energy !

 

Please tell me this doesn't get me banned or warned. It is just so amusing. Credits to original maker, I just found it on 9gag and thought to share it.






Credits to the original post : http://9gag.com/gag/aDGAzXB

 

I need a new laptop for uni. I know you guys dont have concrete info but its safe to say i could catch the new series laptops very late into september, right?

 

No clue's have been given, only rumors.

Or as the Magic 8 Ball says:

"Cannot predict now"

 

Its nice, But just for your info, we have a Off Topic section for stuff like this. You are welcome share more stuff over there if you want.

 

Thank you!

I did not know we have a separate off topic thread for things like this!

Yeah, it would be the type of thread where I would come now and then to have fun XD.

 

MSI is supposed to launch something in October:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-sh...ook-with-unannounced-Nvidia-GPU.167240.0.html

Then there is also Clevo which had teased about Pascal GPUs, but so far no date there:

http://videocardz.com/60935/mobile-pascal-gpu-with-2048-cuda-cores-spotted

There was also leak about supposed "N17x family GPU" that put mobile Pascals to August (suggesting Asus and Clevo were involved).

It was taken down in the meanwhile, so maybe there was some truth to it

https://translate.google.com/transl...6072016/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&edit-text=

http://videocardz.com/60973/nvidia-geforce-10-mobile-series-to-be-released-in-august

 

@Georgel

Here are a couple of places I post such fun stuff

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-random-picture-thread.698755/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-random-video-thread.758474/

 

It was probably taken down because it ain't the real deal...

 

Probably old info.
But I'm just amazed at the power consumption of the GTX 1070.
Good news for Mobile users I guess.

 

Holy crap, those R9 are power guzzlers

 

How is the 970 using more power than the 980?

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