Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

And the first numbers are in, with no hb bridge...
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/8803092/fs/8795301/fs/6782156/fs/4790953/fs/3439563

 

You might still be in the return window

Usually 7-30 days depending on the seller. You don't need to give a reason, but if they ask, tell them it's not what you want. Ask for a store credit if they ask for a restocking fee.

Let them know you would like to know when the Pascal versions are available...

Beware though you might be setting yourself up for a several month wait for delivery...

 

My goodness, are your sales taxes that high? $550 on a $2000 sale??

Here we pay 8.25% sales tax, which would make the price before tax about $2350. That's a bit better

But, as @Xeonorth said, he paid the same amount for a 980 mobile desktop model.

The 1080m should go for the same as the 980m models. What did 980m models sell for before Pascal? URL?

 

Depending on where, VAT varies between 7% and 27% with most countries around 20% and the UK at 25% - we all complain about taxes in the US but they're nothing compared to most other places in the world.

 

I would like to return it, but I'm too lazy to do it and I can't wait 1 more month... so I'm just going for the egpu route. Also, it's cheaper to upgrade with it. Might just buy a new laptop every other year.

 

Ahem, 20pc.

 

Is it just me, or the 1080 mobile results are underwhelming? The result seem about the same as 980 desktop unless I'm reading something wrong...

 

My bad, still insane.

 

Not exactly, its at least 10% better at stock.

 

In september, importing any item will incur a 20% Customs duty and 15% VAT charge. Any item. $1,000 USD for an item? Pay $350 USD to my country's government, which provides nothing and makes no attempt to provide anything, because we need to buy something that's overpriced or nonexistent here.

But that's still cheaper than what people pay here. I checked best buy for the Samsung galaxy 7 edge. I saw $250 USD (about $1700 TTD). Here, that phone costs $7,999.99. That's right, over four times the price.

 

That is not a lot better, but it will depend on price.

I think that it should be enough to buy a laptop with it and connect an external display that uses 4K resolution and do everything on it. But The difference to an 1080 is still considerable...

 

True, but most of the benches are of the gimped version and a standard processor. So im guessing the Clevo versions will be better.

 

I can survive with 10-20% difference. Maybe getting the 980 wasn't really a bad decision.

 

so the 1065m will only be 15 percent faster than last gen?

 

I rarely buy games to save for more hardware. I have too much backlogs anyways.

@D2 Ultima

I mean, if a unlocked 12 core skylake E with 64gb of quad channel DDR-4000 is on a BGA board with a full BGA GP100, would you really say no? I know what I will say, "when do I start pre ordering?"

Ultimately, performance should be the 1st priority on this kind of things imo.

 

I was referring to Volta. The Titan and 1180Ti next year (2017) will have HBM2, though.

 

Volta is set for consumers in 2018. Enterprise gets it in 2017 as per contract. I doubt we'll see GV100 (or maybe GV102 will be the new flick, since GP102 is a thing, likely GP100 with DP removed and price still jacked up) until 2019.

Unless you mean to say that 1180Ti is going to be in a Pascal refresh. In which case ignore the above.

 

Anyone know about this video clock and importantly how to adjust it?

 

yes

 

lol

 

You change it by changing the core clock, but it seems to be based off the core clocks and not the boost clocks and it's still about 50 mhz off....

 

Thanks @johnksss , what I really meant is adjusting it individually. What do you get if say you forcepstate 0? Mine goes to 600MHz and stays there even when GPU clock offset is increased. I need to adjust it individually.

 

Then that is something else, because im looking it at right now and it goes up and with over clocking and clocks dropping to min....

 

If you are saying that when using NI forcestate:0,0 all your clocks still work okay then I guess my BIOS has a bug as here the Video clock stays at ~600MHz even when gpu clock is increased and kills bench scores

 

NI? I do not use that for 1080s. You need percision (1080/1070 version) or afterburner 4.3 beta 4 for 1080's

 

Okay, so you didn't check with NI. I have AB but it doesn't do everything I want, haven't tried XOC.

 

DP

 

You got me there. Would have never used that since these aren't Maxwell cards.

 

But only if the gained extra space would have been used for proper cooling, which in most cases hadn't been so in the past with BGA machines - maybe the MSI Titan might be an exception to that.

 

What does Precision/Afterburner Beta what NI cannot regarding Pascal, I wonder?

 

One thing I can guarantee you bro!!! No matter how good hardware OEM's will put on the BGA board.... BGA is mostly used to shrink the size of the LAPTOP chassis!!! The product will be destroyed!!! Aka a Crippled machine with hardware who will never function properly...

 

voltage control, the curve. individual voltage settings, linear settings, basic settings.

 

Sorry, I missed it or was there still no picture of the graphics card?

 

That's realistic. Only can dream. I do hope the touchpad isn't a matte finish like in the p34w. I hope it has another type of finish. You have a nice laptop then you seen the touchpad all worn out from oils in the finger. Looks tacky. That's something I think all prices laptops should take care in because you are paying for a premium. Only reason I let go of my p34w.


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This is what I am worried about.

What happens if the machines who include a BGA version of a chip have gone to great lengths to also gimp that card to make it compatible with the mother board. For example the GPU core is pretty hot. They might need to gimp it for not melting the motherboard, where a socketed GPU version (MXM) has the GPU card with more cooling and on another card, so they might gimp it less.

IF they would have a full performance card in a laptop, and that is BGA, there still is the risk of it melting the balls, if they did not give enough attention to cooling.

On the other hand, I also fear the rest of the hardware becoming obsolete after a while on socketed, but if I can enjoy more performance on a socketed device, it sure is worth the trouble.

 

Two mobile Pascal GPUs bearing the same name will show a huge performance difference (with same stock vBIOS and at stock clocks) by just using them in another shell...
NVIDIA should enforce tighter minimum cooling requirements on ODMs.

 

guys, the previous rumors are most likely just wrong and mixed up stuff. this upcoming new gpu that @Mr. nasjman showed off should be the 1080M and comparing it to the 980M would thus give a significant performance boost, so its just wrong to compare it to the 980 desktop and complain about "only" 10-15% performance boost. the ACTUAL 1080 desktop in mobile will likely follow at a later point in time. so its just business as usual like the years before, x80M mobile flagship at around x70 desktop level and now a potential "special edition" mobile gpu mimicking the desktop flagship specs (as introduced with the 980 last year). so cmon, its not that hard! dont confuse urselves and others here unnecessarily

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I'm pretty sure they said that they're gonna remove the "M" on the next models.

 

nvidia has not yet officially said anything about it. What we have been seeing or listening to is just some websites repeating what their insiders or contacts said.

 

While I totally get your point, when making a purchase, I'm sure that 1080M or how it will be named versions will be expensive, and it will be deciding between it and 980 in a notebook. I mainly judge based on prices, especially release prices, but also current prices. Of course, we would be happy if it beats current 980, but the more the better

I would enjoy having more power any day

 

it would be quite hard to melt thd pcb. in fact, you want to vent heat on it since it acts as a massive heatsink.

As for your second point, MXM will not fix that issue at all if cooling is still bad.

 

A small question here
Is there any chance that 1070M's performance to be on par with 980 notebook ? And will it be VR ready ?
And how much do you guys think 1070M's laptop will cost when its released ? Probably it will be overpriced anyway....

 

That's the point.

They seem to put much beefier coolings in MXM based laptops.

And I'm not worried about melting the PCB itself, but the tiny connectors that connect all the components, and melting the balls of the BGA in the case of too much heat. Frying a PCB can be achieved easily, not need to make a hole or make it black. Just the temperature being too high for one minutes can short circuit a motherboard, doesn't need to be physically burned down

 

GTX 1080M laptops will be $1.8k and above.

GTX 1070M laptops will be $1.4k and above.

Just like always.

 

NI is missing a few important things....

 

I am kinda hoping that they will release GTX 1080 for laptop much sooner. I know chances are less but iam banking on the fact that once 1080m comes out, the expensive laptops with GTX 980 will not make any sense. So ODMs could push Nvidia to release GTX 1080 sooner.
Or 1080m could have variable TDP like GTX 980 and could perform much better in these beefed up system.

 

I thought everyone wanted to have some more fun XD!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=615352905289072

I have literally no idea who the original maker of the video is, but I find it quite amusing, now with E3 and with GTX 1080.

 

well first and foremost, nvidia will push to meet the desktop sales of the 1080, so i dont think they will set aside full GP104 chips so soon just for notebook 1080 gpus. also, theyll have to bin properly first and collect a certain amount of good chips before they can launch a full scale 1080 in mobile. so i guess itll be a while...

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That's likely the case but who knows how long they really need. They've probably already been holding back certain bins for these extremely limited contracts. They could very well have the numbers already. It's anyone's guess really.

 

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