Pidge from Nvidia has asked that user experiencing problems with the 880m list them here..

They probably deported him. :\

 

Nvidia must protect their reputation or lose business with apple/microsoft/google.

 

All the more reason they should address this issue responsibly.

 

It's not like Apple doesn't do the same... (iphone 6 bending issue).

 

Doesn't matter what apple does. Saying that is simply enabling other companies to continue engaging in such practices. Big companies don't need to race each other to the bottom. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I don't care if the sky is falling, Nvidia should most definitely make this right with their customers.

 

Sadly it seems that racing each other to the bottom and bottom lines are all that big companies care about these days. Gone are glorious old days of the <del>jiggawatts</del> gigahertz wars and battle for market share.

 

You're right. So it's pretty important people make themselves heard if something sucks lemons. Here's the first thing I learnt in my uni days in Mass communication class -Silence is concent.

 

That's very true. Sadly nVidia knows they have people like me by the balls, because the alternative isn't exactly a terribly thrilling option (at least right now). Despite what misgivings I may have about nVidia, I will still end up buying their stuff.

That said, I've done my part in boycotting IC Diamond so I'd like to think it balances things out just a wee bit LOL

 

I bought this machine barely 2 months ago and plan on buying a 980m the moment it comes out.... I am part of the problem.

 

I just noticed something, XoticPC's Sager machines no longer offer 880M as an option! Check it out, 870M is the highest they offer on the single GPU machines, and for the NP9377 only 860M SLI is offered! And it seems the NP9380 (P370SM) is making a comeback with 780M (not in SLI though unfortunately).

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At least some good came out of your troubles Ethrem.

 

Hopefully they make it right with the new cards. Knowing that Sager will continue to offer the 9377 means that I should be able to work something out either way.

I was playing yesterday and was not happy... Core dropped to as low as 801MHz at one point and caused my game to stutter...

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I noticed the NP9380 was back as well. I bet these are leftovers. This is the machine I was going to pull the trigger on and then it went away due to the Spring refresh.

 

idk if this may be the case but does lots of vram can cause this kind of behavior? seams ur cards (with 8gb vram each) throttle a lot more then my pair of 4gb vram (4gb each of 880m)

 

4GB cards don't seem to have the same issue at all.

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yes they do,seams just not so extreme like 8gb moddels

 

4GB cards don't throttle below 954MHz so no, they don't have the issue at all because the issue that has all of us 8GB owners ticked off is not even keeping 954MHz!

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i ment on throttle in general,in games yes they throtle but very very rarly and when it happen its just for a second or three,then goes back to 954 or 993,i see lots of times they actualy lock up on 993 both and stay there

 

If you're dropping on 4GB cards it is more than likely due to utilization than anything else. I'm not going to keep arguing with you, you don't have 8GB cards, this doesn't concern you.

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This hole episode of NVIDIA screwing 880M owners is another reaosn why I'm happy that I've stuck with AMD even with this tired 7970M... After the disaster of my 1st laptop with the 9600M GT, which was an overheating pile of crap, I've not had any such problems with the G73JH or the AW17x R4 ...

 

When it comes time I just want whatever still uses an mxm connection at that time. I bought my P170sm-a for the long haul. My 880m only dips to 953 during play in BF4. Stays boosted most of the time, stock vbios. Gets pretty warm at 88C with the fans on auto.

 

the single cards dont have as many problems as the sli cards...

 

Yep. But I still want one someday.

 

not that i have to worry any more.. mines being replaced

 

im in that process also,talked with DELL,they gonna send someone over here in 2 days to replace my cards,if problem stay they will give me other cards bye bye 880m crap :hi2:

 

Good Lord, how long has it been since NVIDIA said anything about what they are going to do to fix this mess? So, they are just doing their ostrich impression and burying their corporate head in the sand as though nothing is wrong? This is terribly disappointing.

Extremely frustrated with a GeForce GTX 880M! (help please?)

GTX 880M fps problem

Who to blame for my Nvidia Gtx 880m Problem?​

This needs to be fixed. If they cannot fix it due to engineer flaws that cannot be corrected, one could at least respect a public apology for their mistake. Ongoing silence is very unprofessional and less than customer-centric.

Many of you have already done so, but if you have not please complain in this thread:

Nvidia crippling the gtx 880ms | GeForce Community Forum​

 

I think one of us (I vote for someone like Ethrem who has serious issues) to write something and publish it to PCGamer or one of those places... it might be good to get a solid story underway

 

Hardly the right audience as PC Gamer is not a hardware review site. I guarantee the big boys like Anand and Tom's won't bite. I suggest contacting Charlie Demerjian at SemiAccurate.

 

Well, unless I missed a post, we have seen neither hide nor hair of our buddy Pidge since August 8.

So much for worthless optics... asking 880M users post about the their problems. Sheesh. The CEO of NVIDIA should run for public office. There is an old saying about a road that leads to a hot place being paved with good intentions. In this case the good intentions seem to be missing. The road to 880M hell seems to be paved with a lack of regard for customer experience.

If we take what Pidge said literally, there is no change in status. I don't know any way to take that to mean anything other than it is broken beyond repair, they don't know how to fix it, or maybe they just don't give a rat and they have no plans to do the right thing. After this long, what else should we conclude from the deafening silence? The writing is on the wall... 980M is out and they have bigger fish to fry.

So, who is going to take the lead on a starting a Class Action? Or, will "better luck next time, 880M suckers" be the end of this pathetic and harrowing tale of the Jolly Green Giant's fleecing of consumers?

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C'mon NVIDIA... the food is on the table and the baby is crying. We need this fixed. Andale, andale, arriba! Let's GO, git 'er done.

 

Maybe SemiAccurate would be a better deal. The problem I've personally seen with most "popular" hardware sites etc is that everyone seems to grab an ASUS to check. But ASUS don't have any problems, and also are the 4GB version (which as far as we know, is problem-free). The point of fact that in a review comparison I saw versus the AW17 and Asus's G750JW (or JZ or whatever they named it) had the 880M almost 10 degrees cooler... and the CPU was slightly better cooled on the AW17 means that ASUS's cards are indeed special and shouldn't be treated like the rest of them.

I wish these things would get out more. It's not exactly that I hate a company per-se (except Ubisoft, they could collapse please) but that companies need to take responsibility for their mess. Gigabyte makes good cards? Awesome! They still should be chewed out for selling a 870M with a vBIOS set to return that it's a gtx 760 in GPU-Z (though the specs match the 870M exactly in GPU-Z; just the name is changed) to people. In the UK and on their UK facebook page, they claim it's a 870M, because UK laws prevent that kind of lying in sales marketing. America's laws do not.

You do bad? You own up and try to improve. You do good, you get praised. But the laptop market has so few people in it that know anything with a way to report on stuff that it never gets out. I mean hell, to show lack of knowledge more, Linus said (and I QUOTE) that the new ASUS laptop he reviewed a short while ago had a 4860HQ "which on paper doesn't look that much faster but it seems to turbo better than the old 4710HQ". Basically: "I don't know, but this works better! I like it! Enjoy!".

Oh, and he thinks MXM laptops are almost nonexistent and that nobody has them. When using a MXM laptop (even if locked to ASUS cards). Yeah. Nobody who could make waves about it knows, understands or likely even cares.

 

ok since i called DELL,told em problems with my cards etc etc,they sent one UBER noob technician to replace my cards,he came droped one card to floor from 1m...forgot to put thermal paste etc...uber noob,we tested the card he replaced,nothing happend same problem like i tought...now i spoke with dell again ( one very friendly guy) he tested pc himself and told me,ok since we dont know whats causing it we are WILLING TO GIVE U UR MONEY BACK,i said YES!!,looking forward to see that damn alienware 18 with 980m :F im getting rid of this 880m finally oh yeah

have it in note this is 5th month im using it and they are taking it back xD win win situation for me

 

I think that Apple has fixed the problem in secret.

 

I don't know why you have a problem, I installed the GTX 880M in your Alienware M18xR1. Works with any drivers without problems, never drops FPS and the temperature is no more 73C in the toughest games and 3DMark.

 

It is only dual card machine with issues vbios not only limits power draw but temp. Unless you have an Alienware UK which case by my calculations on this forum the 17 had 33% with no thermal paste.

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I really wish I would have been aware of the 880m issue before I spent 4.8k on this laptop about 6 months ago >..>

 

You're telling me.

I paid for this machine with disability back pay, just to find that had I bought a month earlier I'd have a problem free machine... Instead of this mess where I'm at the mercy of Sager and Xotic for RMA to fix it!

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The 880M is never going to get fixed, and in fact, even the new 900 Maxwell cards have a weird issue: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/777448/geforce-900-series/-major-issue-sli-gtx-970-cards-one-card-runs-way-lower-voltage-than-the-other-driver-bug-/1/

It's gotten to the point that nVidia resorts to writing BS like this in their driver release notes instead of fixing it:

What a load of horse$hit. People definitely do gain performance benefits from sorting out this issue via a vBIOS mod. It's definitely a driver issue -- how else do you explain that people running Kepler cards on previous drivers that did NOT exhibit this issue, suddenly gets hit with this when updating to the new drivers?

So now basically nVidia charges much more for sub-AMD quality stuff, so what's the point in buying nVidia? Godamn AMD please just release the fecking 390X already and shove a steel-toed boot up Jen-Hsun's butt.

 

Gotta love it. That's all I am going to say because I don't feel like being pissed off today...

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AMD really needs to rip nVidia out of their complacent high horse. Regardless of what people say, price-cutting the R9 290 and R9 290X cards ain't doing it. *sigh* that threw a massive monkey wrench in wanting 980M SLI, even if it'd mostly operate fine at stock like I would mostly be using it.

 

I'm not gonna lie when I say my enthusiasm for the 970 has greatly dwindled. Maxwell's "efficiency" through dynamic downclocking and voltage adjustment is actually the root cause of instability. When running games that don't support SLI, I've seen some really strange behavior with a single card. For example the card would boost higher than if ran on its own (1405 boost vs 1367 boost), which causes VDDC to increase from 1.156V to 1.225V.

Which would be fine except the card doesn't seem to know when it needs to upclock or add more juice. I've had cases where the boost drops back down to 1177/1.056V during cutscenes, and then stay there for a good 5-10 seconds when action starts again. Which again is OK except VDDC always seems to lag behind boost, so I can always catch a glimpse of my card boosting to 1405 while on 1.056V

This is especially troublesome if I'm overclocking since the card would try to boost to 1524 while on 1.056V and of course that causes a hard lock. Have to revert to stock to run games that don't support SLI which is very annoying.

 

So basically... we need AMD to be batman.

The problems you're experiencing I'm dead certain can be fixed with driver updates, but as to why it's not fixed ALREADY seems to be the problem. Maybe we'll get some vBIOS mods that disable boost and stuff. That thread you linked had vBIOS mods that disable boost and let you set the clocks and voltage properly; might wanna give them a whirl.

 

It's not already fixed, and will never get fixed because nVidia's official stance is that this is "normal behavior" and they're basically telling us to feck off. Yes all the issues can be corrected with a vBIOS mod, but I refuse to fix a broken product for nVidia out of principle. Note this is not the Mr. Fox kind of broken we're talking about, this is FUNCTIONALLY BROKEN.

Also with the recent price cuts the 290 is a better buy than the 970 if you don't mind the heat. Temps and noise aren't a concern with aftermarket coolers, but 300W of dissipated heat is not a joke. Still my recommendation remains unchanged: if you must buy a card now and will only be using a single card, get the 290. Actually I just realized I can't recommend 970 or 980 SLI in good faith unless you're willing to fix the broken hardware via a vBIOS mod.

 

Well I can't argue with you there. Functionally broken is unacceptable no matter where you go.

 

Butts I tell ya butts.

 

Slay all the butts. Forever. FOREVER I TELL YE FOREVER.

Seriously though... I still want (half-need) 980Ms though. It's sad. It's real sad. *cries at my wanting broken gear because it's still better and cooler*

 

Nvidia's releases notes for every one of their drivers is filled with this crap. "It's broken but we're never gonna fix it so just deal with it." Seriously, there are open issues dating back years.

 

Ugh. From reading your post n=1, its the same with the 880M. In fact I think this card was probably their test platform for that . Sometimes games will crash because it's suddenly trying to peg 993MHz with 0.95v

They knew these cards couldn't hold even their base clocks because of the leaky cores they used so they set up a constant up and down throttle to average out the core clock over 950 but with dips so low on the slave card that everything slows to a crawl then when the thermals or power draw or whatever decides it's good to go it will jack up the clock but not always the voltage and its hard locked my machine more times than I care to think about.

Xotic got back to me today about my faulty fan... Hopefully this results in some sort of acceptable resolution to my issues because I'm so over it.

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Good to see you back

 

I've just been too pissed with this busted machine to be bothered. Although I managed to get 4.2GHz for daily use, huge accomplishment I'm proud of.

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I'm not happy to see Ethrem back, for his sake. If he's posting here, it means his janky laptop is still giving him hell.