R9 370 Details leaked - Finally a new architecture from AMD?

#FireTunic
#HeHasABlueOneToo (you know, for intel... just in case)

 

#BadMemory
#IHateNerds

That is all.

 

Lol, you guys are being funny. Also colors don't even matter, you can have even more in Smash Bros.

 

Screw your colours.
MAGIC RUPEE ARMOUR

 

Some bad news:
ALL upcoming 300 mobile cards up to and include R9 M375X is rebrands from 7000M/8000M series lol.
R9 M385, R9 M385X and R9 M390X is still not revealed yet

AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M375X cape verde xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M375 cape verde xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M370 oland xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M360 cape verde xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M360 topaz xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M350 oland xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M340 oland xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M340 topaz xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M335 oland xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M330 oland xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M320 oland xt
AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M320 oland pro
AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M315 topaz

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37270326&postcount=2

 

Hopefully on a new process, this will bring TDP down and actually make them not a bad proposition. Of course I'm among the few that would say this, but that's one way to get most out of the money invested in R&D - same chips different process with corresponding gains. Let's not forget that AMD IS struggling. Well I still hit my face with my palm, and if it's an actual rebrand without new process that would be flat-out insane. I mean R9 M375 might run hotter/power hungry than say R9 M385X. Just a ballpark, but I think you get the picture. I doubt they are that stupid (I hope they're not). Well of course there's the other way around - R9 M390X = 150W GPU HELL NO! Logic says new process, let's see how AMD's logic works.

 

What new process? 28nm is still the current top dog in GPU tech. 20nm is being skipped in favour of FinFET next year. This is my understanding at least.

 

While the lower end mobile GPUs were expected to be rebrands, some of this just doesn't make sense, like there being so many xt cards. Also since when is oland xt faster than cape verde xt, and for M375X to be the weak cape verde xt instead of something like bonaire. I don't really care about anything below M380, but for those who do just hope someone at AMD screwed up and posted the wrong Device IDs in the driver.

Edit: Also they are saying R9 370 is a Pitcairn rebrand, that just sound like nonsense, why would they do that when they have Trinidad to replace it. Where are they gona place Trinidad, make it a 375???

 

They're using the 28nmm SHP process or something from TSMC (or is it GlobalFoundaries?).. Should reduce power consumption/heat generation... BTW that AMD Fanboy song was epic

 

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Really hope the top tiers are up to snuff.

 

I knew I would be disappointed... Nobody buy anything. Boycott rebrands. So sick of this crap.

"This year we bring you something new... A 7970M overclocked for three generations, renamed M390x. We moved the M to the front, lowered the number to give the illusion of something new, and added an X so it sounds faster. Don't worry. This time we updated the vBIOS so it doesn't show up as an 8970M. " -AMD

 

Nobody said M380 and above were rebounds.

 

Hold that thought, the rebrands are only for M375X and below. There's still the M385, M385X, and M390X that need to be accounted for.

 

I have a hard time to believe they would rebrand almost an entire lineup and then make new cards for the top few.

 

Wouldn't that mean that the "Quad Flagship Rebrand" is now at a critical level. 7970m-8970m-m290x-m38x & m39x
As I understand it, DX 11.2 is the only addition or change to m290x.

 

Basically it's a mess, and as an AMD fanboy (even an AMD and ATI fanboy back in the day) I am running an i5 and 860m now. AMD needs to refocus what they are selling and to whom. If they are going to stay in the mobile market they need to streamline their market offerings. I'm not buying a damn Audi with a million and a half options and variant names. I just want good graphics as a good price point. Don't bother competing with nVidia on the blowout price level.

 

You might want to look at NVidia's 900m series before continuing that hard time.

 

I stand corrected. None of this makes sense to me, but I guess if you can urk out more $$$ over calling it something different why not.

 

True and not true.

To be frank, Maxwell Gen 2 in 980M is better than your Maxwell Gen 1 860M with many additional hardware changes. Archetecture was also changed to further efficiency. My Maxwell is not a rebrand of your Maxwell. GM107 for example is 1 large GPC, GM204 is split into 4 smaller GPC with more ROP/Cores, increase in memory controller as well. Overall GM204 is like having 3 GM107. It's definitely Maxwell, but it's not rebranded, it's 2nd Gen.

The SMM from GM107 and GM204 are nearly identical, but the way they are arranged, memory bandwidth and allocation and arrangement is different in GM204. At the core GM107 and GM204 seem the same, but the chips are very different.

NVidia bumped up GM204 to another 2xx series for a reason. Fermi and Kepler stayed within 1xx series, Maxwell Gen 2 got bumped up to 2xx because of the significant changes. GM204 is DX11.2/DX10.3 whereas GM107 was DX11. Those HARDWARE chanes include Rasterizer Ordered Views, Typed UAV Load, Volume Tiled Resources, and Conservative Rasterization. Maxwell Gen 2 also has Voxel Accelerated Global Illumination. DSR and MFAA are fully available on the GTX 980M.

GM204 is more efficient than powerful than GM107, and it's done by both hardware and software changes.

Also... GTX 880M was not Maxwell, that was Kepler. And for desktop, only the 750Ti and 750 were Maxwell. There was no Maxwell GTX 880M/870M. So you would be wrong anyway, GTX 9xxM and GTX 9xx Desktop are not rebrands as Maxwell Gen 1 had very limited release.

 

Since when?

 

What Craig said was he was having a hard time believing that most of the AMD mobile lineup was rebrands and the top few are new.
The same goes for NVidia. The GTX 965m, 970m, and 980m are new, but everything else is a rebrand. The 920m is also a Kepler GPU, so there's also a mixture of architecture as well, like AMD.
Never implied Maxwell 2 was a rebrand Maxwell 1. I don't know where you concluded that.

 

Hmm ok.

Anyway, I be surprised if the R370 architecture will be used for mobile, I frankly don't think AMD gives a damn about mobile right now. Unless it has been confirmed? Even if it was, wouldn't touch it, Enduro nightmare will forever tarnish my impression of AMD's lack of commitment or caring at all for mobile.

Also I don't believe anything that has been posted in this thread regarding AMD, especially cloudfire's comments. The words Efficient and AMD should never be used positively in a sentence.

 

Oh yeah, they have never kicked someone's @$$ with efficient offerings, but you know, it wasn't a thing back in the day, so it's understandable not to remember. Gee.

 

Maybe not on the mobile platform, but on the desktop side, while nVidia was busy churning out hot, loud, and power hungry cards one after another during the Tesla and Fermi eras (280, 480, 580), AMD was actually pulling ahead in the perf/watt race with 4870, 5870, and 6970.

How times have changed.

 

Fermi had great compute performance though. One could say GCN is AMD's Fermi.

 

980m is only really efficient at stock clocks. Use an unlocked vbios, start overclocking and they'll use every bit as much power as Kepler and some. Obviously more powerful though.

 

No, AMD was never efficient. It was just FERMI was particularly power hungry, but that didn't mean AMD wasn't hot and inefficient also, just less so.

AMD's CPUs are even worse.

 

What an Nvidia fanboy. What about FX 5800 Ultra vs. 9700 Pro. Remember this thing?

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Oh right, and the GeForce FX Series was so bad, not only was it slower than Radeon but it couldn't even run Half-Life 2 at max graphics because it lacked full DX9 Pixel Shader 2.0 support.

 

Are you for real?! How do you measure efficiency then? It would be GREAT to have say R9-390X (put your favorite nVIDIA here if you prefer) performance with 5W power consumption... Please do make it so, I'll buy it. You can only get that much, you know.

 

Well AMD was never inefficient, it's just that Hawaii was particularly power hungry, but that didn't mean nVidia wasn't hot and inefficient also, just less so.

 

The thing about making an absolute statement like "AMD was never efficient", besides making yourself look bad, is that it is easily disproven with a single example

 

Zymphad is a total NVIDIA fanboi.. No point arguing with him.. He does make 1-2 good points but they're null and void at the end of the day for most people..

 

There is so much conflicting information about the 300 series going on right now that I am beginning to think some people (not you guys) are deliberately spreading misinformation. Could also be accidental mistakes but that doesn't help either. Some say Trinidad will launch in early April, some say the entire 300 series at Computex (which seems weird to me since AMD never launches an entire series in 1 day). Others say Trinidad is a rebrand of Pitcairn yet it is much more power efficient (Bonaire territory) and also more powerful.

 

Trinidad? I heard the code name was changed to Tobago (no joke).

@D2 Ultima QQ

 

LOL. Trinidad and Tobago are one country, but Tobago is ever so slightly cooler than Trinidad, being north of us by a bit XD. Maybe it's a sign

 

I know, but you must be so disappointed they didn't pick the island you're on

 

I'm a fanboy of stuff that works. Also I'm not a NVidia fanboy, I just hate AMD mobile products. There is a big difference. It's unfortunate there isn't a third competitor to replace AMD after someone finally puts it out of its misery.

 

Meh, Trinidad is a country of idiocy, drunkenness and ripping people off, as well as being hot as hell, and having tech that does not work. I'd rather nothing be named after us XD

 

I sincerely hope Clevo, Alienware, Gigabyte and Asus boycott AMD GPUs.

The only company to offer it I hope will be MSI with AMD's APU + Enduro Hell, all of it soldered with no CPU upgrade possibilities.

Cross my fingers and a few prayers, maybe it will come true.

 

Your logic is seriously messed up.

 

lol this level of lunacy is way beyond even Cloudfire

Actually scratch that, Cloudfire may not've liked AMD, but he wasn't anti-AMD. Zymphad's rant above is just I don't even.

 

Never mind

 

Sounds perfect to me. The only laptop to have this "rival" to 980M will be tied to AMD's APU with enforced Enduro you cannot turn off and it will be soldered from MSI. Sounds AWESOME to me.

And cream on top will be driver hell for both APU and dGPU having conflicts.

 

Keep dreaming, Zymphad. You must be wet just thinking about it.

 

Not dreaming about AMD hardware, but the NBR AMD fanboys crying when AMD drivers bring them to tears and AMD APU sucking. And I don't have to hope much since it happens with every iteration.

 

So you admit it turns you on

 

Why? So nVidia can get away the next 10 years rebranding Maxwell for mobile? Like it or not, AMD is the only competition for nVidia. Without them, prices will skyrocket and evolution will slow to a crawl. It's the same thing with AMD and Intel. If AMD fails, we have nothing but nVidia and Intel left which would be a disaster.

 

Some never learn until something actually happens, then they blame everyone but themselves.

 

I would love to hear Zymphad's explanation of Nvidia's recent clockblock. And no, don't pin it on Jen-Hsun having a stroke or something.

 

It won't surprise me at all when nVidias next cards are clock blocked and using an encrypted vbios. nVidia and Intel are both hell bent on killing the enthusiast markets as they exist now so they can charge a crazy premium for the privilege. Intel dreams of a future without socketed CPUs to force people to buy their motherboard with the CPU and no doubt that will keep sockets reserved for extreme processors on their most expensive boards and nVidia wants to make a large difference between mainstream and enthusiast parts so they can get their thousand dollar cards sold. The future is looking pretty bad for the consumer without a doubt in the notebook sector but the desktop is in danger too.