RTX 3080 trumps 2080ti by a whopping margin

Maybe if we see Super cards and less power hungry processors. Unified heatsink everywhere and with Dynamic Boost 2.0 this can help the Gpu cooling in todays thin and slim trend There is no pooint add in more heat aka higher TGP for graphics if todays gamingbooks can't handle it.

 

There is no 200 watt reference, this from the head of XMG over on reddit when asked about it.

 

really cool seeing 34k fs with 3080 and its not even a super card....i'd imagine it will be 20 percent faster the super that is, i think the 3080 super will match 2080ti...thoughts

 

I thought the RTX 3070 and RTX 2080 ti were basically a match in performance. A 3080 super would be significantly more powerful.

 

Why? The previous 2080 200w was almost equal to the 2080S 200w.

 

Because unlike the 2080, the 3080M already uses the full GA104 die. So rather than having an incremental upgrade option like on the 2080 to 2080 super, nvidia's only options will be to either : 1. Put a GA102 die on the 3080M like they should have in the first place or 2. Use GDDR6X instead of GDDR6 and keep using the same GA104 die.

If they were to do a super refresh, they would most likely go with option 2 since it costs less and because thats what they are doing with the 3070TI. Leaks suggest that there will be a 15-20% performance uplift going from G6 to G6X.

Option 1 would give a larger performance increase (~30%) but i wouldn't count on nvidia's generosity

 

G6X is extremely hot and power hungry, most desktop cards can’t even keep it from hitting Tjunction under load, so I doubt it will be coming to mobile. Not to mention, laptop boards don’t have the trace robustness necessary to support such high speed memory, same reason that G6 is capped at 14Gbps on mobile. If there is a 3080M Super refresh, my guess is a TGP bump up to 200W.

 

And how many today or tomorows laptops is able to cool 200W graphics? This means all of the most crippled of the 3080 cards also have to bump up the TGP. The trend go opposite. Even Alienware capped the graphics TGP on their newly refreshed 15 inch gaming laptops. They even went so far that they removed the unlocked HK processors as option for the 2021 m15 refresh.

I mean I have seen talk about more power efficient, lower voltage G6X chips for notebooks. Pair it with slightly better binned GA104 die's to pump up boost clocks a bit and brand it Super. Forgot the 780m --- 880m ? 10% increase on the paper. All roads lead to Rome as you know.

 

they are releasing a super variant but will it be 2080ti quality

 

Source?

 

logic

super cards were more or less a success as alot of people bought them and that equals money for nvidia.

can you give me a source showing nvidia doesn't care about money.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

I don't believe common sense and logic need references but I could be mistaken

 

There seems to be only one logic to follow, downsizing and lower watts.

 

max q

we will most likely see 3080 super max q but thats just speculation

 

Expect a possible 3080 Super mobile refresh will be above 3070/ 2080Ti. But won't match a 3080 desktop card.

Not Even Close: Nvidia RTX 3080 Laptop vs Desktop Benchmarked

 

I think its been like 10 generations of cards that are nothing like their desktop counterparts as far as naming goes...why is everyone suprised a 3080 desktop is not like a 3080 laptop..thermals size ect

have you not seen a 3080 desktop card? do you not realize most laptops are under 1 in thick...like it feels like im in crazy land or something

 

Well I'd say there's no reason to expect any less out of a laptop than you would a desktop just because the laptop is a smaller and ultraportable computer.

It's more of a lack of innovation more than anything else that's holding laptops back. We reached performance parity between laptops and desktops with Pascal, and then everyone stopped trying after that, which was a stupid move.

Laptops also need to stop getting thinner. Even my non-technical friends are starting to get concerned about how thin newer laptops are getting. Nobody wants to pay hundreds of dollars for a computer that will break from just one small mishap.

 

Both Maxwell and Pascal gen offered equal performance between laptops and desktops. 980 N even come with better performance than it’s desktop sibling.

200W Mobile cards with same vRam and same die would help come closer in performance vs it's desktop brother. But the massive push for thin and slimy design stopped that with a bang!

All the whining from all peope that wanted Apple design have paid off. Hope they are happy now with the direction from the OEM and Nvidia.

 

pascal yes maxwell no...


im just trying to get conversation started....always need a tangent opinion to get the ball rolling

but a honey bee should not be as fast as a f22 raptor lol....size matters....also i just checked my phones gpu adreno 660 aka on the level of a mx150 in a dang phone is unreal...im thinking tech companies are holding back tecnologies advancement to milk people dry of money...i had a pda back in 2000 that was more advanced in alot of ways equal in the big picture to my s21 ultra

 

Yeah. The direction goes the total wrong way.

The brand new thin and slimy X series gamingbooks from Alienware. Thinner than ever. DTR is something from the past. Yeah, Apple will soon get real competition regarding form factor.

Not what the Intel guy say in the video above. The sick skinny trend will just roll faster.

 

Woah that is a lot thinner than i expected. Can't wait for complaints about jet engine noise

 

The Razer Blade Pro had four fans and still eventually got very warm during long sessions. From a design stand point the new Alienware M17x really is giving me a Razer vibe. Thinness and aesthetics first. I’ll have to see some reviews from some reliable sources before I pass judgement.

And I’m not gonna lie I feel so many were waiting for the Ryzen gaming laptops that a lot of people are gonna go that route. I know I would.

 

One thing for sure. Tiger lake will run equal hot as 10th gen chips in the new thin and skinny laptops with RTX mobile http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-lake-processors.831587/page-27#post-11095571

 

It would make a fancy high-tech boot-scraper if you plant the exhaust vents into wet concrete. After the concrete dries, it should work great for scraping the mud off of your boots... nice, sharp edge.

 

Wow, that looks just like James Carville's son. Fortunately, his voice is not the same as James Carville.

 

Still remember when some folks here in the forum claimed that the mobile 3080 would beat the desktop 3070.. lol

Within the same GPU technology, more watts = more performance is as simple as that

 

they claimed it would match and it more or less did

 

With the stock 130-140w power limits no. But with a shunt mod + overclocking will match or slightly beat a stock desktop 3070.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the ****show that is RTX 3000 mobile, I'm just saying its "possible".

 

In theory: yes. If you take the mobile 3080 and shunt mod it for it to be able to use 210W or more, then sure the mobile 3080 should achieve the performance level of a desktop 3070 which seems logical given they are both the same GPU: GA104. The issue there might be to keep it cool enough to not thermal throttle. I have no idea how are thermals on new laptops that comes with mobile 3080s. I've been a little away from laptops for a while. Has anyone shunt modded a mobile 3080?

 

Not yet, but I'm helping one with it atm. I'm expecting around 14.5k timespy graphics from it assuming it doesn't thermal throttle.

It's a GP66 3080

 

Aren't those paired with a 230W adapter? would that be enough power? With a 230W power supply it would be difficult to take the GPU up to 210W

Also . How much extra power can you supply to the GPU by shunt modding? I have very little knowledge about shunt mods

 

I have a Prometheus and with everything cranked there is very little left of the supplied 230 watt power supply. I know Prema used a different power supply to hit his number and that was with just a 165 watt vbios flash compared to the stock 150 in mine. I'm about as certain as can be that a man is going to need more power to push 200 although I obviously can't say I've been there. More questionable is the cooling: The Prometheus is a 6 lbs and an inch thick, not particularly light or thin. The thermals are excellent at the stock power and I'm pretty confident it could stand going to 165 and still keep the thermals in check. I'm doubtful on the 200 though based on watching the temps as I add or remove power. At least doubtful about keeping the temps where I'd want them for a long gaming session.

 

Yes they are. Just completed a shunt on a 3070 GP66 and it was indeed hitting the 230w AC adapter limit. Still got very close to top score though at 7410 timespy, highest is 7426

https://www.3dmark.com/search#advan...ck=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

The guy with the 3080 is still waiting for the shunt resistors to be shipped.

You can fine tune it to whatever value you want based on the total resistance of the shunt/shunts on the power monitoring circuit. For example an R004 shunt replacement will get you a 25% increase in power limit (5/4 = 125%), Stacking the original R005 with an R015 shunt will get you a 33% increase in power limit (5/3.75 = 133%) and so on.

If you want to "completely" remove the power limit just do a R002 shunt replacement which will boost your power limit by 250% (5/2 = 250%)

 

@Tyranus07 just confirmed that the GP66 3080 comes with a 280w adapter. Now its just a waiting game.

 

I see. Are you going to go remove the power limit? I feel there is no really danger on doing that. Ultimately you can manage the power consumption on Windows with Afterburner

 

Its not my laptop, I would certainly do so if it was. That said ~200w should be plenty.

 

Well that depends. If you want to tie or beat a desktop 3070 at benchmarking, I'd say you need at least 220W:

 

With an overclock it can easily do so. You don't need to have the same tdp as desktop parts as those include the display output power, fan power, led power,etc into the tdp

Heck even Prema's 165w 3080M beats a stock desktop 3070.

 

The 3080 mobile have more cores.

 

Only marginally.

Point is, an overclocked part will lower tdp can beat a stock part with higher tdp.

Question is can it hit 15k+ Timespy graphics which is on par with overclocked desktop 3070s

 

@Prema is already above 14750 in graphics. What I said... 200W paired with more cores should easly compete with 220w 3070.

 

Prema doesn't count, lol. Prema is always an outsider, I'm more interested on seeing a 24/7 working overclock than a benchmark overclock with a laptop inside a refrigerator. Where can I see Prema's overclock? It seems weird to me that a 165 W 3070 (aka mobile 3080) beats a 220W desktop 3070... like it doesn't makes sense to me unless Prema raised the power limit somehow of it's mobile 3080

Well yeah, but theoretically at a lower TDP the mobile 3080 has to be much slower (less MHz) than a desktop 3070, so at the end of the day more slower cores with a 165W limit, should lose to faster lesser cores with a 220W limit. I mean it has to! (always talking about two Ampere GPUs of course)

 

All those on top 100 500 of 3080 mobile is castrated. And all beat the 3070 in the Guru3d review.



3070 review from Guru3d.com

Edit. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3070_founder_review,26.html

Add 20% performance on top of the 200w 2080 super mobile and you'll have a 200w 3080 Mobile.

 

Well those are overclocked GPUs. Isn't the desktop 3070 running at boost 1.73 GHz? Is a bit hard to believe that the mobile 3080 having more CUDA cores running faster than the desktop 3070 just consume less power. That goes against physic's law, lol.. I think fans and everything all and all consume tops 10W on the desktop 3070

 

Yeah, a very slight OC and the 165w is on level with 3070 desktop cards. But the 3070 will be able to keep max possible boost clock due they will run colder in all games and benchmarks loops.


Give it 200W TGP and it will beat 3070 desktop card and this with slightly lower TGP.

But the overall gaming experience will be better with desktops and the 3070 due cooling, faster processors and faster ram. Laptops has its limitations,,. Crippled cooling and less options for faster ram.

 

Interesting, I'm not much in to benchmarks, I rather have a better gaming experience. But you're probably right, we don't know how bad those mobile 3080 are power/thermal throttling just by looking those scores. I imagine then that if the GA104 on the mobile 3080 can go near 2000 MHz at 165W, then the desktop 3070 can go much higher at 220W with fewer cores and better cooling system or saying it in another way the desktop 3070 could be undervolted a lot and keep that 1.7GHz with no issues

 

Also keep in mind that Time Spy is not a game, so 165W is more like 150W in actual games that utilize the CPU more than Time Spy due to Dynamic Boost shenanigans, which puts the mobile part at more of a disadvantage.

 

Not hard to believe at all if you've seen how much these cards can be undervolted without losing performance while dropping power consumption by 50-70w

 

i get 3500 with my 1650....i stoppped buying the best gpus because its fun tweaking games to run on lesser hardware....and as it stads i can run all games at 1080...and the 3080 mobile is similar to the 1650 but at 4k...you know...like at 4k 60 it will get the same framerate as the 1650 or maybe even better....so if your on the fence i say its a worthwhile investment....but cards these days don't seem to last more than 2 years

 

Been sticking to a 2 generation upgrade cadence (3-4 years) and have been doing fine.

 

yeah honestly I really wish I bought a gs75 with the 2080 like you have....really nice laptop that can do and be more than gaming....more to a book than its cover