RTX 3080 trumps 2080ti by a whopping margin

I guess so? It was the best choice at the time but there ar emuch better options out there nowadays.

I would have gotten the GE66 in a heartbeat if it existed at the time though.

 

I used to upgrade every year but in recent times it seems the gaming prowess needed is tied into the console market cycles and as I need power primarily for games I've gone to paying attention to it as the metric. Right now I figure anything that can handle PS5 stuff with ease is going to have enough legs to go the distance, the distance being the arrival of the next thing.

To the thread in general I would say that some have been concentrating on what the 30 series isn't rather than what is actually on offer. I was disappointed by the delta between the mobile and desktop parts but in the real world of sitting a butt down and gaming the 3080 works and works well. I had kind of talked myself out of upgrading because I was doing ok with my 1080 and also because of my dissatisfaction with what the 30 series wasn't. Speaking for myself that was a mistake: I upgraded because I'm getting graphical glitches I associate with a dying GPU and I work in remote areas but I would have gladly thrown money at it if I had seen for myself how much better the 3080 gets it done. For people with older hardware it's a significant leap, don't kid yourself about it. If you were thinking about skipping this gen because of what it didn't bring you may want to consider what is actually on offer instead of what isn't before you write it off.

 

Certainly.

Ppl coming from an older or lower end gpu will get a substantial boost.

Thats what I got from switching from a 1060 desktop to 2080 laptop. Where high end owners lamented the stagnation of the 2000 series I was having the time of my life.

And yes, while I do express dissatisfaction at what the 3000 series mobile fails to bring, it is mostly from an enthusiast's point of view. It doesn't actually affect me......yet.

We shall see how next gen goes.

 

TL;DW 3080 Mobile is a joke:











Should be called 3060 Ti:

 

Exactly. I was critical of the 30 series myself, not just in comparison to the desktop counterparts but also the 20 series. If I hadn't started getting screen glitches I identify with GPU failure I would have probably stayed where I was and for me that would have been a mistake. Others will see it differently of course but I can't say I'm anything other than happy with the upgrade. Most importantly if I had looked at what I could have had instead of what I felt was lacking I would have bought in without a second thought. But... I was hung up on the fail instead of pragmatically looking at what I would actually buying.

 

In my case I pretty much only focus on xx60 class cards since I mainly focus on the price/performance ratio of a graphics card. It seems the mid-tier cards have it much better when it comes to performance losses over their desktop counterparts, so I have it better in terms of performance deltas.

At the very lest, we have at least one mobile card from the ampere family that performs close to its desktop counterpart. According to these benchmarks, the RTX 3060 desktop is about 10-20% faster than the RTX 3060 mobile depending on the game:


The kicker here is that this is the performance delta between the 200 watt desktop RTX 3060 and the 85 watt mobile RTX 3060. The delta should be much smaller if you were to compare the 130 watt RTX 3060 mobile to its desktop counterpart. I will grudgingly but ultimately accept a 5-10% loss in performance if it means the card can be installed in my laptop. I won't accept a higher delta than that though.

Funnily enough I can't find a direct comparison between the 130 watt RTX 3060 mobile and the RTX 3060 desktop. Does anyone know what the actual performance delta is between these cards?

 

either way its still too powerful....we need thinner lighter lol joking but honestly we need a cooling invention that works

 

A nice sign what to come for gaming laptops. Even more crippled power limits. Ampere mobile was just the beginning with castrated TGP. The laptop jockey's will always get what they ask for bro @Mr. Fox The future for high performance gaming laptops looks grim.

No need for a huge power adapters anymore when the new thinner modern gaming laptops can't cool more power than what you get out from the smaller power adapters. The USB-C chargers combined with battery boost for the peak power consumption ala Msi and Aw will be the future @Falkentyne

Gaming notebooks should get their own USB-C chargers soon pcworld.com | Today

Death to proprietary laptop chargers!
The group overseeing the USB specification has dramatically expanded its power capabilities to allow USB-C chargers to carry up to 240 watts, allowing standard USB-C chargers greater latitude to take over from proprietary laptop charging bricks and power gaming notebooks.

What this means is that laptop and phone chargers that use the emerging USB-C standard will carry more power. Most productivity laptops can run on 65 watts, allowing them to use USB-C chargers that run on the older 100W specification. Gaming laptops, however, can demand substantially more to power their H-series CPUs and discrete GPUs, and use proprietary charging interfaces to boot. It will be these notebooks that will benefit from the new USB-C power spec, allowing you to buy a spare USB-C charging brick or use competition to help force prices down.

A capacity of 240 watts is enough to run larger monitors, workstations, gaming laptops and other devices. Dell's UltraSharp 32-inch 4K monitor has a peak power usage of 230 watts, for example, the same level as HP's 17-inch Omen gaming laptop.
https://www.cnet.com/news/usb-c-pow...ng-240w-for-gaming-laptops-and-other-devices/

 

Feces comes in many forms. Now we may see larger garbage that runs the same as smaller garbage. The kiddos won't notice. They'll just see it is bigger and assume that means better, just like newer is always better newer. They can use the same charger as their smartphone and they'll be such happy little snot-nosed buggers. Yes, some will complain about having to use two smartphone chargers to get the extra 10W of GPU performance that makes them feel like a badass "hardcore" gamer-boy.

 

I'm sure the gamers will appreciate more RGB around on the laptop chassis as a nice replacement for the castrated GPU TGP. I guess the OEMs know exactly what the gamers value and want. Here is the new Ampere gaming books from Acer. Nice that Acer don't jump on Alienwares huge love for thinner design and no subwoofer. +1 out of 10.


Hands On: Acer's RGB-Everything Predator Helios 500 Is a Disco Gaming Animal

It's been a couple of years now since Acer overhauled its big-screen Helios 500 desktop replacement rig. But the laptop is back in a 17-inch shell that's a bit of a departure from the 2018 model. As expected, it brings current top-end 11th Gen Intel/Nvidia components, plus perhaps more RGB than I've ever seen on a portable PC. Aside from the per-key RGB keyboard, there are light bars that run along all four edges of the laptop (yes, even the back). And the light show can be set to dynamically react to sound playing from the system's speakers, or even what's on the screen.

 

The first thing I do with a gaming laptop is turn off all the lighting. Not kidding, it's the very first stop after getting through the Windows first run setup.

 

Not gonna lie, that new Helios 500 would be my top choice if I were in the market for a new desktop replacement notebook, even over the X170KM. Tiger Lake -H is a far more efficient architecture than Rocket Lake -S, and the X170KM's CPU and GPU are dead ends in terms of upgrade paths anyway. Not to mention, that sexy 4K120 HDR1000 display on the Helios. The 2018 H500 had very good cooling and I expect this one to be more of the same.

 

@Papusan @Mr. Fox @Tyranus07 @yrekabakery @Clamibot @krabman

Shunted GP66 3080 results
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLapt...p66_11uh_optimized_gaming_synthetic_and_real/

Firestrike
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/25631028

Timespy
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20532075

Port Royal
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1054176

SOTR
https://i.imgur.com/KguG7Uw.png

 

Nice! Can you share some photos of your hardware handiwork? Do you have a Kill-a-Watt meter available to see how much juice it is pulling from the wall?

 

What are the core/memory clock speed? Also what's the theoretical power?

 

No I don't have pics but it was an R005+R0015 stack with the GE76 150-165w vbios which allows it to draw upwards of 200w. Don't know if the AC Adapter is being saturated in games but when running the cpu with +400mhz overclock in Cinebench R23 it draws up to 110-120w so it will definitely hit the 280w adapter limit when you stress both the cpu and gpu at the same time.

Overclocked by +130 core +1500 memory, clocks around 1900mhz in benchmarks.

Maxing out the fans with bottom panel off also gives you chilly 60ish degrees on the gpu when benching. Closer to mid 70s with auto fans. This cooling system can definitely handle a 200w gpu and then some. * Repasted with Thermalright TFX

 

halogod2012 got 34500 in fs.....prob wasnt worth all the effort

 

Quite sad but I can't say I'm surprised by that level of performance. At 1440p I'd say that the CPU/RAM is not such a big factor so I'd say that those number are a good comparison between mobile and desktop GPUs. The gap between a desktop 3080 and a mobile 3080 is so massive that there definitely shouldn't be called with the same name. Sure there is possible to get a bit of extra performance by shuntting a resistance on the mobile 3080 but the same can be done on the desktop 3070 or desktop 3080 widening the performance gap between mobile and desktop. As desktops graphic cards get more and more powerful with every new iteration the mobile GPUs are getting more and more weak compared to their desktop counterpart and the evolution from previous mobile generation makes the upgrade around a 10-15%

 

Its not about the performance gains as much as its the fun of pushing a system to its max. Thats what makes it worth the effort.

Just enthusiast things, I don't expect everyone to understand. Heck most people don't even bother with undervolting/tweaking fan curves to get a cooler/quieter laptop and happily limit their laptops to base clocks.

And then theres people like me who would happily spend hours lapping a heatsink just to maybe get a 2-3C improvement in temps. I just enjoy doing it

 

My latest came with the fans capped at 80% even in beast mode, now they hit 100% at 70 in every profile.

 

I've never heard the words "thin and light laptops" more than in Nvidia Computex, lol... we are doomed!

 

It's time for us to build our own laptops out of desktop parts. That way we can skip all this stupid crap.

 

Yeah, and worse it will be. The bellweather leads on (AMD 6000 series mobile graphics is also out). The distance between desktop vs mobile performance will go only one way. This thanks to thinner and sleeker chassis design. Slim and thiny 15-20mm chassis don't have space for needed cooling capacity.

NVIDIA Announces GeForce RTX 3080 Ti ($1200) and RTX 3070 Ti ($600) techpowerup.com PRESS RELEASE by btarunr Today

NVIDIA today unveiled two additions to the GeForce RTX family—the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti and GeForce RTX 3070 Ti—available soon from its global network of GeForce partners. The new flagship gaming GPU of the GeForce RTX family, the RTX 3080 Ti will be available worldwide June 3 starting at $1,199, with the RTX 3070 Ti available next week starting at $599.

 

LOL. Good luck with that.


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Will be available worldwide via Ebay starting June 3rd at a reasonable $3500.... lol

 

I did the opposite and just hit the ejection seat on laptop gaming for now. Built an sff desktop for around $950 for the parts I needed and moved my 2070 from eGPU to the sff desktop. Doesn't take up much more room and I saved around $1500 and it feels like it's about 2x better perf. It is slightly more footprint, but I got one that's the same height and monitor is sitting on it. Still plenty of room for laptops to sit on front of it.

 

This is what Nvidia is promoting:



This is the end.

I hope most users don't accept Nvidia new policy of thin and light laptops and just do like you and me, and don't buy more laptops. There are good solutions on desktop world

 

I just didn't feel like the expense on the laptop side was worth it anymore. I'd rather shove that $1500 into retirement. I still love using my Gram 17.. just for non-gaming.

 

Good thing you bought your RTX 2070 before the GPU shortage because this is the very first time that it's cheaper to buy a gamer laptop than a to build a gamer desktop. A full power gamer Clevo laptop is around $3500, now to buy a RTX 3080 is $2500 alone!!! I'm still trying to grab a 3080/3080 Ti for less than $1500. Of course you get like x1.5 the performance of a gamer laptop but still..

 

No lie; the world is upside down when your cheapest gaming upgrade hinges on buying a laptop.

 

Those pesky retirement accounts; always getting in the way of fun!

 

lol.. it was actually more fun to build this out. I'm now looking at perhaps modding a 120mm AIO in there, it's pretty well airflow constrained, even with a decent noctua low profile heat sink the CPU is reaching 90s while gaming. There was a 120mm fan in there but it was attached to the drive cage. I ripped all those out to fit the GPU in there but the fan was actually attached to the cage not the case chassis. I think I could mod it to mount a 120mm AIO up there though and have that exhaust out the front side of the case.

Anyway.... I guess enough desktop talk lol

 

lol No worries, this thread was played out months ago and I doubt there are too many here who don't dabble on the desktop side as well. I don't have anywhere to go on my flight sim rig until such time as I can get a 3080; being as I'm committed to not paying stupid money for it I may be on the sidelines until the 4080 comes out. If I can get it...

 

I guess this thread will keep going its looking like the 3080 is being matched by amd with the 6800m and if they release a 6900m it might be a buy for me so long as its a amd advantage laptop.

I really like the idea of amd advantage in that you actually might see cool thin and lights that have close to desktop performance(mid range)..I wonder how they are going to also get 10hours of video playback but i'm sure they will find a way....as it stands asus and hp both have advantage laptops and it will be interesting what the reviewers say once they get their grubby little hands on them.

 

I think I know why the CPU is reaching 90... It has to sit directly under the ATX PSU in this case and I think the Noctua nh-l9x65 it's blowing down onto the CPU and the PSU fan directly above it is sucking air up and out the back of the PSU.. they are essentially fighting each other for airflow... have to take it apart now and reverse the fan to blow up into the PSU.. lol

 

mobile 3080 SUPER and 3070 SUPER on the way?

 

hmm we know we are getting supers and they are based off 104 so im not sure if it will be a 10-20 percent bump but if it is this gen I guess wasn't a total wash

 

What would the 3080M Super even be, the 3080M already is the full GA104 core. Higher power limit? GDDR6X? Probably the former.

 

we dont know...plus 100mhz on the core lol...its nvidia they will milk it

 

Nvidia just released the 3070Ti. With 290W TDP they don't need to use the best chips for the desktop cards.
A leaked data sheet shows a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme with Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Super

 

It begins!

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1312&_nkw=3080+ti&_sacat=0

 

i read somewhere they will have a 3080ti for laptops but i cant re find the article bah...

edit. was a leak by someone reputable

 

LOL.. they can't even mine well. Yet anyway. I don't know if it was fake but I saw a video of a bunch of peeps bum rushing a Best Buy to get in line for the probably 5 of them they had to sell.

I think I heard that as well.. something about `Super` versions.

 

The super thing has definitely been trotted out in rumor land although I think most people were expecting it with a hard cap of 165 on the 3080s.

 

man imagine a 200w or 250w 3090 laptop variant....i would buy it faster than a blink of the eye....cause it would last 5 years high settings gaming and the ROI would be insane

 

I think the gains start trailing off as power is increased for the same CUDA core count, it's not linear. I'd hate to see that power adapter scenario. lol

 

Dual power adapters isn’t unusual. 2x330W is sufficient for laptops with 350w GPU

 

I had 2 330s with one of my Clevos; you notice the weight of your bag seeming to increase a few airports into a long trip. Anyhow... Some of the gain is rumored to be picked up in the memory and I haven't seen a number on the power; anyone read anything about that?

 

From the leaks i've seen its still gddr6, not gddr6x so the gains may be marginal if any. If its only a 200w version then its hardly anything exciting.

 

Remember they also need to offer at least 10% performance boost as (880m over 780m) for the most power gimped SKUs. If they shall continue with the lowest possible TGP, only better binning can fix and help for some of the performance boost. Or you mean they will increase TGP for all castrated laptop models? This just means it will be even more messed up graphics card SKUs. And they have to do it for the whole lines of laptop models.