Radeon R9-M295X

Me too, which is why I bought ATi exclusively back when I stll used desktops for gaming (I'm talking pre-2004 LOL). And even when I started university I bought a laptop that had an AMD CPU and Xpress200M (in hindsight what THE HELL was I thinking). But back then AMD/ATi gave me a reason to root for them, because they were producing good stuff that was competitive with Intel/nVidia at every price point.

I just hope AMD can get back on track soon and put some heat on nVidia, otherwise we as consumers all suffer.

 

Yeah ATi was king of the hill back then and it wasn't even close. They had Nvidia up against the ropes for an entire generation during the GeForce FX and Half-Life 2 debacle. The Radeon 9700 Pro easily goes down in history as one of the most important graphics cards ever since the dawn of the 3D accelerator, up there with the original Voodoo, GeForce 256, and 8800 GTX. That's some lofty company.

 

I just hope they can get their Zen right, and that it won't be another Bulldozer. Piledriver was good but that's what Bulldozer was supposed to be and Steamroller while good for mobile is only an APU clocked lower on desktop thanks to Bulk and leaks point to Excavator only launching on mobile. They have over a year to get it to work right so hopefully they can get the IPC fixed and do what they did when the cat cores launched (remember the disaster that Atom was back then, I remember trying to help a classmate using an Atom powered netbook, and god that thing was painfully slow). Also will be funny if we see an advertisement that goes something like this: "ASUS ZENBOOK UX##xx powered by AMD Zen." Jokes aside the FX-7600P should be a great chip for budget gaming and especially multimedia notebooks, yet even that is nowhere to be found. Not just AMD, I have no idea what OEMs are thinking either.

Edit: And after saying that there aren't any 7600P models available I check and see that ASUS already has models listed on their Global site.

 

Just saw an XFX add on Tech Report with R9 285X written on it. I don't know wth is going on anymore, and the link leads to Newegg's XFX store which doesn't even have that card.

 

Link?......

 

I think it's just a mistake and they were just advertising R9 285 but here is the Link anyways. Just make sure Adblock is off and keep refreshing the page until you see the XFX add on top of the page.

 

Got it.

 

What is this? Can it be the r9-m295x ? AMD teasing new product, is it Radeon or FirePro? | VideoCardz.com

 

Nobody knows anything, it was an unexpected teaser so we don't even know what kind of announcement it will be. My guess is it will have something to do with desktop GPUs, both Radeon and FirePro, or at least the FirePro since it is on one of the teasers.

 

Considering they are about to launch R 390x I'd say they are just announcing that. I thin M295x will remain a secret for the time being, and probably for the best, until they finalize a stronger, low power contender. A next gen Pitcairn.

Considering that one of the secrets of maxwell is its superb power management, AMD can certainly focus on that.

 

Well here`s to hoping its a brand new architecture to keep up with Maxwell.
It could either be one massive GPU with more cores than R9 290X and higher TDP, in which case it doesnt help us notebook users.
Or its a brand new more efficient architecture which could mean a beastly R9 M390X.

Fingers crossed. They will be presenting this on September 25th

 

Lets hope it is less disappointing than then last presentation! That was a crock of crap!

 

The biggest problem to crawling back on top of Maxwell for AMD is the fact they are simply more cash-strapped than NVIDIA. Maxwell pays a really heavy price for it's superb performance/watt in the form of it's greatly increased die size. It is significantly larger than GK104, the only real reason it's smaller than GK110 is the almost total omission of FP64 and massive amounts of RnD cash thrown at hand-design to increase density. NVIDIA basically threw their entire financial and engineering resources behind Maxwell to achieve what they did.
AMD have massive catchup to do, I believe they can do it as they have already done in the past with the 4870 but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Nvidia dealt the finishing blow to AMD with Maxwell, I don't think AMD will be able to catch up now. Remember, we haven't even seen big brother Maxwell GM200 yet.

Intel dealt the finishing blow to AMD with the Core series and nVidia just did it with Maxwell. AMD will need a miracle to be able to compete at the high end on either front again and that's bad news for consumers.

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Big blow? Considering that FP64 is effectively non existent in Maxwell, AMD could still catch up and offer decent increase over the existing generation while providing more computw options. We don't know anything concrete yet on amd front.

 

I think there is too much doom and gloom, while ignoring every single previous generation of GPUs I am sure AMD will pull through, but of course it will take a lot for them to do it. I don't doubt AMD will release a competitive GPU at a competitive price.

 

Please...AMD is way more competitive now than during the G80/G92 vs. R600 days.

 

That may have been the case before Maxwell, prepare to see lots of "boost til they fry" releases for a bit. AMD isn't in a financial position to do much but bend over and take it from nVidia like they do from Intel.

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You're basing all this on speculation of what big Maxwell "could" be when you don't even know what the status of 20nm/16nm is. You do realize AMD can neutralize GM204 simply by undercutting it in price?

 

Cutting prices does not equal performance. The enthusiast market cares more about the latter.

Maxwell is a serious achievement. AMD will not be able to come close this generation without pushing cores to the verge of melting down or pushing TDP beyond specifications like they did with their 295x2. That's pretty much a fact at this point.

Again AMD will be knocked down to those who will make compromises to save some bucks and Intel and nVidia will laugh all the way to the bank.

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And you know this...how?

 

You didn't see AMD's joke event?

980 SLI crushes 295x2 in most benchmarks (seems to suffer at true 4K most likely due to memory bandwidth) and at a ridiculously large power consumption difference.

It seems quite obvious to me that nVidia blew AMD's expectations away if you look at the rumors of the 390X needing water cooling...

I'm all for being surprised but I don't see it happening. NVidia has so much thermal headroom to work with that they could churn out even higher clocked GM204 reference cards.

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It could be an even bigger GPU than R9 290X based on the same architecture

 

Enthusiast market isn't where the money comes from, and that is just one of the things wrong in your argument. And besides, only 3 more days until AMD announces something faster than GTX 980, and GM200 is a long way off to counter that. Also claiming one company dealt a finishing blow to another that is still standing is nothing but fanboyism.
Seriously junk like these comments is what I see on WCCF every day so please keep this forum a bit more sane.

 

Amd does have HBM at it's disposal, so it's possible this development could prompt them to release gpus based on it sooner. The technology from my understanding has been ready for a while.

 

The real question is if AMD can release a chip in the realm of the R9 280X that can contend with the GTX 980. If their replacement for the R9 290X is the contender for the GTX 980, then GM200 (whenever it actually comes out... nVidia is slacking here) will be a real behemoth to deal with, especially if it drives cost down on the GTX 980 type cards. When the 770 originally had a price drop to $400 that was a hell of price for performance thing until AMD's 7970 hit the $300-350 mark (though that happened FAST if I remember correctly).

If the 980 gets a buff to its memory & core clocks as stock and a price drop to $350-400 USD on release of GM200, then AMD might have a hard time unless their contender is a R9 280X replacement instead of a R9 290X replacement (talking about in terms of architecture level here; just like the 980 is a replacement for the 680/770).

 

Hence why I have faith AMD can pull off another 4870 event. However, they have to double down on efficiency instead of simply focusing on performance vs die area which they have done since RV770. NVIDIA GPU designs have traditionally favored easily programmable TLP over die area efficiency and using extremely costly hand-design methods to compensate. AMD cannot rely on jumping ahead of NVIDIA by aggressively pursuing node shrinks anymore, they need to re-consider their design focus.

 

I´d like AMD to bring something too. I´m thinking something that barely beats 970 and is priced just below, but where is your statement coming from?

 

AMD said they have a whole response coming, and seem confident they will be faster. There was a Winston Churchill teaser also and someone linked it to Fiji (although I have no Idea when that will come out). Anyways just 2 more days left, will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

 

I don't thing it's beyond AMD to match or even surpass Maxwell. They were very quiet though in releasing new products though likely due to console wins. But even if AMD doesn't introduce HBM now... they still could probably be competitive enough with a new product.
Maxwell is a pretty good architecture, but FP64 is something it almost completely lacks... therefore it had more ro to maneouver compared to AMD, because they include FP64 in their products with far more room to breathe... ergo their thermal requirements could be a bit jogher... or they won't be.

We have to wait and see how AMD reapond

 

AMD has played this well if you think about it. They now know everything about Maxwell. Exactly what NVidia is bringing to the table. On the other hand we know nothing what AMD will bring.

The ball is in their court and purposely so. They now know exactly what they need to deliver to match or surpass Maxwell and are probably just fine tuning the new products as we speak. I hope AMD come out guns blazing and wipe away some of the silly fanboy comments people here have made...having owned both 680M and 7970M they were/are both good. Pretty close really. AMD will have an answer.

AMD have released some pretty great GPU's in recent years with performance that has always matched NVidia in the desktop arena. Without them NVidia would not deliver great products either. So basically we need them. Fanboyism like nationalism is sad, old fashioned and pathetic.

 

Yep, that's the point though, all they can benefit by waiting is fine tuning, by definition that is not a massive performance effect - they've either done the major work already & have a competing product, or they don't. (Haha, sorry, didn't mean to put "fine tuning" in quite so massive text in your post - because that makes it look like I'm shouting or being rude, which I'm not).

 

That is true. Only time will tell.

My point is the ball is in their court that's all. Whether they serve up an ace or knock it out of court is up to them

I prefer the former!

 

Yeah there is no doubt that designing a new architecture on existing nodes, but getting better efficiency on architecture side instead of relying on new arch to pack in more transistors like they have done before, cost a ton of money on development.
Nvidia is in a much better position here because they have been having profits year after year while AMD been losing money for a long time now.

I do not agree that a 400mm2 GM204 GPU cost more than 295mm2 GK104 back in the days though. Equipment have already been paid for, TSMC plant is on full 28nm production with yields MUCH greater than GK104 when it came out. Just think about it. They now can use 90% (example) of the silicon for GPUs while in 2012 they were down in the 50s%. Silicon wasted, money wasted.

I think September 25th event is yet another GCN 1.x part. I really really hope for a new architecture with a midrange GCN 2.0 desktop GPU. That means R9 390M is really close. Will be interesting to see.

If it is a GCN 1.x GPU, then boy, I hope Maxwell isn`t GPU worlds answer to Core. AMD is still not able to take on Intel there and their answer is dumping CPU price but pumping out big and hot die`s. Its the whole reason why their CPUs is selling poorly, which will also happen with GPUs (170W Maxwell vs 350W GCN 1.x chip, easy choice), but is also why their margins are slimmer then Intel`s thus why AMD is losing lots of money on the CPU side.

AMD could wait for GloFo is ready with 20nm and then rely on that to combat Maxwell with a less efficient GPU, but what happens if Nvidia jumps to 20nm as well to respond?

Lots of dark clouds here (pun intended), but I sincerely hope AMD is ready to present the 300 series on thursday and much efficient GPU follows

 

There is a lot of bad news about 20nm process, recently AMD's embedded roadmap leak showed that they will have about all of the APUs on 20nm, with the exception of the high performance Excavator APU (server variant of Carrizo). Looks like 20nm is even worse at high clocks than GloFO 28nm. Not just GloFo though, TSMC had originally planned 2 20nm processes (20nm HP and LP) but they cancelled one (guess which one, the high performance of course) claiming that one didn't perform much better than the other (marketing talk for 20nm HP not clocking much higher than LP and wasting a lot more power while doing so). makes me wonder if we will even see 20nm GPUs (with cat core and arm APUs being the exception).

 

Considering that AMD is the choice of graphics for all three consoles, as well as a big player in the medium and low end market, means they are not in any particular bad spot. Fine tuning is exactly what nVidia did with Maxwell, I don't know what people think with that work, but that is precisely where they can gain much more performance.

nVidia hasn't released their performance GPU. Merely introduced placeholders with very atractive features and prices. If AMD fine tunes their GPUs and shaves off some power off their existing hawaii, they can easily launch a similar performing and priced product even if it doesn't reach the TDP, or isn't as overclockable.

Considering that Hawaii appeared as a low cost alternative to 780 and titan at a very reduced price, they can pull that off again. Personally I would rather see stronger cards so I am hoping AMD will release something stronger so that nVidia can push the market into higher end performance

 

Knowing AMD's drivers, I hope they don't fine tune them too much. Liable to make things worse. haha.

 

Day of the announcement but still no leaks I hope AMD have something to offer....

 

Still 8 hours to go man, have some patience. They may not launch the 390X with the huge GPU that is supposed to go in it, but even 380X may outperform 980 (not that it will be any difficult to begin with).

 

Hype deflated.

AMD teasing new product, is it Radeon or FirePro? | VideoCardz.com

 

Roflmao! Not surprising.

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Sadness increasing

 

Must... sautee... AMD... until... they... make... new... shiny...

 

AMD lost this round, and lost big time. It has been quite a long time since desktop GTX750 and mobile GTX860M Maxwell releases, so they had a very good idea what they would compete against. They were not able to come up with an answer. SAD.

 

The round hasn't even started By that logic, nvidia lost completely with Kepler 600 series, as they launched much later only to match AMD's products at the time, with only 1 product for a long time

People, be patient! competition is good, and now that nvidia has dealt the first blow, it is up to AMD to properly respond with something worthwhile. The more time passes, the better chances we have at a good counter

 

when amd will release new mobile graphic card ?

 

Guys... why are you projecting negativity?
That link which was posted only has questions and potential possibilities.
There is no concrete data available yet.

Let's be patient more and wait until proper information is released.

EDIT:
Hm... seems like I missed the 'Indian launch' bit update.
That's an oddity to say the least.

Is it possible there might be more info released later today?

 

2015 I reckon! Pointless waiting at the moment. AMD are not ready yet.

I hope not because if that happens maybe no one will be in need of a new gpu by then. All with have gone with maxwell...

At least the silence is a sort of acknowledgement from AMD that they either come up with something great or not at all to counter maxwell.

The question isn't if they do it but when. Frustrating to wait quite frankly. I am done checking this thread until 2015.

 

i am sooo close to get the 980m / 970m instead, why cant they just give us a preview, or atleast some hope..

 

They said they have a whole response coming and there is no way an Indian launch would qualify as a response to anything. The "no pills required" is related to the Indian launch but there is also the Churchill one which might have a connection to Fiji. I am guessing they will have a separate announcement, just don't know when.