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    Razer to announce something on the 26th...

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Tree_Burner, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    You know what's awesome? My HP will play games better than that will and it cost me a third of the price!
     
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    bc2946088 Notebook Consultant

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    It will drop from $2799 to $2000 in less than a month.
     
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    HTWingNut Potato

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    Bearclaw Steaming

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    Razer is killing PC gaming with this announcement. Overpriced and gimmicky hardware like this is exactly why the comparatively cheaper consoles are popular.
     
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    Where are you guys seeing the price?

    The M14x has better specs and lasts 4 hours on battery and can game 1-1.5 hours on battery. It doesn't have the snazzy configurable touchpad and such, but who cares.
     
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    DJ_Pawel Notebook Consultant

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    Bearclaw Steaming

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    Engadget has a hands-on that has the price.
     
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    HTWingNut Potato

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    And at that price it comes with a 320GB 7200RPM HDD? I mean come on at that price they could have thrown in an inexpensive 256GB SSD instead, seriously.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Althernai

    Althernai Notebook Virtuoso

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    That's... underwhelming. Here are the specs (from Ars Technica):

    2.8GHz Intel® CoreTM i7 2640M Processor
    8GB 1333MHz DDR3 Memory
    17.3" LED Backlit Display (1920x1080)
    NVIDIA GeForce® GT 555M with NVIDIA® OptimusTM Technology
    2GB Dedicated GDDR5 Video Memory
    Built-in HD Webcam
    Integrated 60Wh Battery
    320GB 7200rpm SATA HDD
    Wireless Network 802.11 b/g/n Compatible
    16.81" (Width) x 10.9" (Depth) x 0.88" (Height); 6.97lbs (Weight)

    As far as I can tell, its one and only "hardware" advantage over, say the HP dv7t, is that it is half an inch thinner. The CPU is inferior, the GPU is almost certainly inferior (unless they've got yet another version of the 555M), the weight is actually greater, the hard drive is smaller... there isn't much to like about these specs. At $2800, you are paying 50-65% of the price simply for the style and unique features.

    The thing that confuses me most is the hard drive. Given that price and the 320GB size, couldn't they have at least put an SSD in there?
     
  11. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Let's see the resident Razer fanboys defend this.
     
  12. Baka

    Baka (・ω・)

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    Apparently the touchpad can also function as an information bar thingy. Sure it seems nice but I don't think that thing's worth $2,800. If it's about $1,500, maybe it does justice... Barely.

    Hell most of the price is probably the gimmicky Switchblade UI which you can probably do better off with a keypads like Razer Nostromo, Logitech G13 or N52TE.
     
  13. Ktulu85

    Ktulu85 Notebook Evangelist

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    Swiiiiiiing and a miss
     
  14. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    I like Razer mice. I think Razer is a good company. But I still think this is a horrible decision.
     
  15. GamingACU

    GamingACU Notebook Deity

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    gross. I would have been more impresed at the switchblade, at least that was sort of innovative. It looks like Razor did what they do best, take a good idea, cheap it down, and jack up the price.
     
  16. Baka

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    Are there any mentions of the battery life? If it's under 4 hours, I don't see that as being "portable gaming". It's plain portable.
     
  17. DustoMan

    DustoMan Notebook Guru

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    Wow. The M14x I bought has better specs and cost me less. I was a little jealous until I saw the price. That's a nice chunk of change, I've spend 2/3rd of that on my laptop and I think I got the better deal. The larger screen, custom touchpad, and screen buttons would be neat, but not at that premium.
     
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    hockeymass that one guy

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    I would bet money that I never ever see someone using one of these in real life.

    If I had almost 3k to burn on a laptop, I'd get a Clevo with a 6990 and spend the rest on hookers and blow.
     
  19. Bill Nye

    Bill Nye Know Nothing

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    Wow, this makes the Macbooks look powerful and cost efficient.

    128-bit 555m is no better than a 6750m, and the 2720QM trash the i7 dual cores. Good touch pad though, but probably nowhere near the Mac's.

    Anyway, this is either a weaker/less powerful/less portable Macbook, or a weaker/less powerful/less portable P330.
     
  20. GamingACU

    GamingACU Notebook Deity

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    Don't say never. People still bought alienware's/XPS back in the day when they were way underpowered and way overpriced. I'm sure there's a sucker or 10 out there.
     
  21. Bill Nye

    Bill Nye Know Nothing

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    Also, I'm confused as to why the went with the 17" "portable route"? At least put the same specs in a 15 or a 13.

    7 lbs? Really?
     
  22. GamingACU

    GamingACU Notebook Deity

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    At first I thought the little screen on the keyboard was kind of cool, and then I realized "Why would I stop looking at a 17" screen to look at a 2" screen?"
     
  23. rschauby

    rschauby Superfluously Redundant

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    I am attracted to the nice slim form factor. Hopefully this leads the "competition " in that direction. But I am definitely not a fan of gimmicks that cost 3 grand. This may sway some Mac owners though (<--- is that an insult??)
     
  24. Kingpinzero

    Kingpinzero ROUND ONE,FIGHT! You Win!

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    Well honestly ive always seen MacBooks / Air an overpriced piece of laptop.

    Ok it runs MacOsX. Strip the OS from the laptop, and still, you have an overpriced piece of metal.

    Razer is going that way as well, god knows why.
     
  25. crpcookie

    crpcookie Notebook Geek

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    The specs are only worthwhile if it is for a 13-15 inch form factor. @ 17 inch, it needs to come with at least a GTX 560m or 6870m.
     
  26. Kingpinzero

    Kingpinzero ROUND ONE,FIGHT! You Win!

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    At least put in it the 192bit gt555m (ok it comes with ddr3, basically the same performance as 128bit/2gb)..
    If not maybe a better CPU like 2630qm?
     
  27. funky monk

    funky monk Notebook Deity

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    I'd prefer a numerical pad over that silly screen. That way you could actually play use GMOD.

    Also, if it's a 17 incher, why did they not include a small 64GB SSD and a large mechanical data drive? My only reasoning is that they used the space where a 2nd HD could be for cooling, which could be a good thing. It's the same form factor as a macbook and their cooling system is pretty much an asthmatic blowing onto the componants.

    Also, I wonder what sort of battery life this thing will get?
     
  28. LostInaMaze

    LostInaMaze Notebook Guru

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    Exactly what i thought at first. looks cool. but then....wait i have to look away from my screen possibly during intense gameplay to glance at that and maybe end up dying?

    And then theres the whole underwhelming specs. I am dissapoint razor :(
     
  29. MrDJ

    MrDJ Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    what about if your left handed :D :D
     
  30. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    I think most lefties still use WASD, no?
     
  31. MrDJ

    MrDJ Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    dont know, im right handed.

    that would be even harder then as the use the mouse on the left hand side and right hand using wasd. spose they can use their nose for the keys on the right.
     
  32. Ktulu85

    Ktulu85 Notebook Evangelist

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    no way lol.

    I use IJKL
     
  33. Bill Nye

    Bill Nye Know Nothing

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    ijkl seems like the logical choice. I know a couple left handed gamers who all use Razer mice, which implies Logitech's right-hand prejudice wasn't an option.
     
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    Aisorik Notebook Enthusiast

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    I hope this succeeds, if only so that in a few years, they'll have a proper line up that will meet the needs of non-rich gamers. Although this IS Razer we're talking about...
     
  35. jerg

    jerg Have fun. Stay alive.

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    Children and hipsters will buy the Razer Blade (with their parents' money of course). Kinda like how some people blow money on Dr. Dre Beats, or iPads.
     
  36. hockeymass

    hockeymass that one guy

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    The problem is that this thing fails in more than just the price point. It's not even a particularly capable gaming machine. Like I said before, my HP dv6 would get better framerates.
     
  37. GamingACU

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    lol @ ipads... Apparently they're going to have the monopoly on touchapds soon though. I heard they're sueing samsung for copyright infringement and the galaxies will be banned in the US/Europe.

    Not that I really care, touchpads are garbage.
     
  38. micman

    micman Notebook Evangelist

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    So sad. Razer has style and presentation all perfect, but this product is just all by itself in a market that is "untapped" but probably because that market doesn't really exist. Now, drop it to the 15" screen size like some were saying, or drop the price to the 1300-1600 range and now the market might exist because you are competing with macbooks. People blow money on macbooks all the time because they look stylish, so why couldn't razer at least try to compete on that level?

    I think this laptop must have had some really amazing brainstorming sessions in the design phase and a lot of great ideas were on the table, but sometimes great ideas and what consumers actually want get disconnected. This may be one of those disconnects we see here. Honestly I like the touchpad idea, but implemented I see all the things wrong with it like having to look away from my screen for a second and not being able to use a numpad.

    Just watch, if this laptop actually sells enough units, someone will make a program that puts a numpad on the lcd screen.
     
  39. funky monk

    funky monk Notebook Deity

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    Apple are just a money making machine. They'll sue anyone if they think they can profit from it.

    What claim do they even have against samsung? If it's that they're using touch screen then that's even worse than when they tried to take amazon to court for simply putting the letter "i" in front of their store because it's apparently a trade name.
     
  40. Bill Nye

    Bill Nye Know Nothing

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    In truth, if this came in a 15 inch form, with a price tag <$2000, I'd probably pick one up.
     
  41. GamingACU

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    Apparently it's something to do with Apple getting some parts from Samsung to use in their Ipad, and then Samsung turning around and putting those in their Galaxy. I don't really see the issue as hardware can't really be copyrighted, unless apple made their own hardware firsthand which they didn't.

    That plus a 560m GTX or better gpu and I might think about it.
     
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    So they're trying to sue samsung for using a product they developed themselves?

    I think the only thing one can say here is... LOL!
     
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    ichime Notebook Elder

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    LOL at Razer thinking they sould save PC gaming with a Macbook Pro that uses a Razer-style keyboard...

    If this were priced @ $1000 even, then maybe they would have a shot at saving PC gaming...
     
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    Kingpinzero ROUND ONE,FIGHT! You Win!

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    I really hope they have someone in their department for looking into the feedback of this thing based on what users think about it.
    They're trying to be like AW without having their horsepower. Even an m17x r2 with 2 hd5870m will not reach $2600.

    A rapid googling brought up the general discontent of the gaming/laptop users community.
    All agree on one thing: $2k+ is insane for that specs, screw the touchpanel.
    And it doesn't matter what they say in their AD video, a gt555m can't play any games smoothly at 1080p if not configured to low-med spec.
    Bloody hell even an hd6770m kicks gt555m butt.
    Im willing to bet that they choosed a 17" form factor due to that fugly touchpanel.
    Otherwise a 15,6"/16" with 900p or 768p would have been the perfect match.
     
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    talin Notebook Prophet

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    It's NBR, what do you expect? :p We're informed gamers, enthusiasts, we love technology and computers. :D

    Edit: I just read the rest of the pages of this thread and saw the announcement. It would seem my mockery of this was justified, lololol.
     
  46. whitrzac

    whitrzac The orange end is cold...

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    just watched the vid what a POS...



    I will take the keyboard on my m18x please.... :p
     
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    whitrzac The orange end is cold...

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    I'm not sure they were trying to be like anyone but themselves, the problem is they don't have an identity yet (edit: in this market) and this product doesn't really connect with their intended audience. Alienware isn't trying to innovate by adding touchscreens and making their laptops thinner, and neither are other gaming laptop boutiques afaik. So it's unique but with no real purpose.

    I also don't think they meant to give it horsepower. I think they were trying to engineer it not to overheat. I could be wrong though.
     
  49. redrazor11

    redrazor11 Formerly waterwizard11

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    FWIW, the touch-screen lcd pad is too much of a distraction. How many "PC GAMERS" look down at their keys once they've memorized them?

    If they wanted to "Save PC Gaming" they should have spent their time developing PC exclusive, non consolized games. There is nothing wrong with PC hardware or interfaces. The problem, is with the content.

    But, I don't think PC gaming is dying at all. IMO, it's more mature than ever. Everyone and their little brother is mashing away at the 360 and PS3...but playing on a PC requires slightly more intelligence (installing files, understanding system requirements, adjusting settings, using a 'controller' with over a dozen buttons). I could care less if PC gaming regains the lead...we'll silently enjoy our custom mods, maps, and servers...and people who think PC gaming is dead can keep living in their dream world.
     
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    I'm lefty. I game with WASD and a right handed mouse. I've used one since I was younger, don't see the point in going the "lefty" route.
     
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