The Ongoing Disasters of the EPIC Games Store

Yea, I haven't really followed the situation but it seems like they have painted anyone who has had any disatifaction or criticism of epic with that brush.

But I do agree some of the response I have been seeing is a bit spastic. If a game dev does something I don't like or don't approve of I simply don't buy that game or wait until it's out later, for less. I used to be polite and would respond in forums and the like but it isn't worth being brigaded for weeks by fanboys.

I'm excited for the DLC. I have the steam version so I am waiting to see how they are going to handle that. So far I have received all the patches and the like so they should still hold their promise of post launch support.

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I agree. I don't get it either. If I were a developer I wouldn't settle for 30% if I could only be charged 12%. It's just a game client to me... no big deal. I don't care about whether it has a forum or all the other social media rubbish that I never look at on Steam.

I look at a game client similar to how I look at a stack of paper plates. Kind of like when I go out on a picnic I don't care whether my paper plates have designs printed on them or not. I put food on them, eat the food, then throw the paper plate away. I don't remember ever pausing to appreciate the way the plate looked. The paper plate is the game client and the food on the plate is the game.

Steam used to have great sales and tons of great titles. Now their sales are not as great as they used to be and they are a dumping ground for indie garbage that (most of which) isn't worth the bandwidth and data that downloading it consumes. At least it seems that way to me. A lot of the good games that I would actually pay for, download and play are on a mix of clients or exclusively on a single client other than Steam. Maybe if Steam wasn't gouging them for 30% things would be as good as they used to be. Can't blame the developers for doing what is most financially beneficial for them. They'd be really stupid to do otherwise. They are in business to make money. If they can reduce their overhead then maybe, just maybe, they can afford to sell their product for a little bit less or offer slightly better discounts when they have a sale.

I find myself wondering if Steam charges the devs so much to help offset the cost of all the overhead they have with the social media crap and the free and extra cheap game trash they don't make much, if anything, from hosting. I've never been onboard with the Robin Hood approach of stealing from the rich to give to the poor that seems to be becoming so popular.

 

Yea I don't use Epic Store but I don't mind that it exists. Sure the way they pay for exclusivity is kind of annoying but this is just a smart business decision and gaming console companies have been doing this for years.

 

People have short term memory so the hate against epic will pass over, just give it time.

 

Yes, exactly. Or they'll find something new to whine and moan about.

 

Most of the toxic actions are started by Epic funding the devs and publishers, with Epic providing the cash and backing to allow them to profit from it all, no matter how abusive and toxic they are to gamers - their potential customers.

Thoughtless and naive gamers funding Epic's provocative and toxic actions against the gaming community, voting with their wallet to get into games that are exclusive to Epic now instead of waiting for the eventual release on other platforms, is just as toxic to the situation and contributes to perpetuating the longevity of the problems.

If you don't like the toxicity created by Epic, ruining the vibe and enjoyment of games we were all looking forward to playing, then stop giving Epic and their paid flunkies the money to continue.

Blame Epic for ruining the releases of your favorite games with their attention getting BS, paid for with gamer contributed money.

Don't blame those of us that want it to stop just the same as you do, the only difference being we have a backbone to hold us upright and stop us from being a contributing part of the problem.

Replace the **** with the bird word in the link to get there...

Anyone else think it's funny that the Ooblets devs are crying over this disaster after starting it themselves?
submitted 1 day ago by DaughtersofBelmont
https://www.reddit.com/r/****epic/comments/cnn974/anyone_else_think_its_funny_that_the_ooblets_devs/

I'm sorry, but... I just... can't feel sympathy for these...

Spoiler: Bad Language

...assholes, I mean, they kinda did deserve it. I mean, they did ask for it. And now, they're quote on quote crying for the last 2 days.

1. Welcome to the internet
   
   
2. You can't be complete assholes and then expect people to be super happy and super smiley about the [BS] you're doing and saying, that's just a fairy tale land they're living in
   
   
3. STOP SHOWING THE TOXIC MINORITY, most people who play games are wonderful people and I have met tons of friends from video games, these people are just the 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of the community, it just gives them more attention
   
   
4. I love how the devs are crying like babies and playing victim, kinda like zoe quinn and Anita Sarkeesian and mattmundane. It just shows the kind of people they're. Now the doxxing I'm 100% against cause that should be considered real assault. But, other than that, it's just funny.
   
   
5. I was on the server for a few hours and they said they get non stop toxic chat, but all I saw was people just voicing their opinion, the only people I saw who were the real toxic was the admins and the devs themselves.

Them being assholes toward their fans and expecting all the love and support, and when they don't get it, they cry is like me challenge mike tyson to a fist fight and then immediately crying and throwing a temper tantrum about it, it's like mu guys, you ****ing asked for the bullying so you have no right to whine about it and treat all criticism as harassment. Again, I assume they're being doxxed and that part is just not cool at all, remember "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt" as my parents taught me when I was a kid. Now again assault is different, but just saying it is just silly to get worked up over, I haven't seen all that many death threats actually get followed through, even when cops weren't involved with a few exceptions by some nutcases.

Also they kinda remind me of Phil Fish sort of, both parties are complete dickheads. And again, I hate to be a broken record but when I was in the server I was just pointing out their hypocrisy about us being babies while they were banning people for arguing with them, and then I get banned, that was pretty funny cause it does sum up their entire response to the real critics. I did goof on em a bit, but was not giving them vitriol, like when I commented, "I'm going to see if Vox media is hiring, you two may need a job there once the game fails" and then I got the admins telling me to stop with the 'harassment'. So, if that's what harassment is to them, maybe they need to stay off the internet, or maybe never go outside ever again.

Darkwolf4 Steam 352 points 1 day ago
"Remember this part? "I have been crying for two days", yeah, those two days where you were in discord being toxic to your fans, that "crying for two days" is [BS]."

Argorash 20 points 19 hours ago
"This is straight out of the sarkesian playbook:

1) do something aggregious

2) antagonise the people you slighted

3) cry that you are a victim of harassment in order to get good press from trashy news sites like kotaku and polygon."

ShadowAura 6 points 15 hours ago
"Judging from the amount of people running to their defense, it's also working out well for them."

Papaknochen Linux Gamer 12 points 22 hours ago
"Dev: * kicks hornets nest *

Also Dev: Why is everyone harassing me?

Seriously: you were attacking your loyal fanbase and then wonder why people are mad at you. Real big shock.

And "Journalists" are complicit in this by showing how "toxic" the fanbase is. Funny that, the game didn't have a "toxic" fanbase before the dev [screwed] over backers and kicked the hornets nest but journalists will never speak of this. I'm convinced they have a personal stake in all of this anti valve pro "epic" stick and that gives them even less credibility(not that they had a lot after the whole gamergate thing years ago)."

The Epic goon squad don't have to worry about their abuses on gamers, Epic gave them enough money that they can do what they are doing and sell their games to no one and still make more money.

Epic is paying these devs / publishers enough to not be affected by their actions, so that's why they've started taking their bribes and bragging about it, thumbing their noses at those they offend.

Really? You want to give those kind of people your money? Go right ahead.

The rest of us will be patient and not buy their games, or buy them on another service, or play them on other platforms. Depends on how good the game is vs how big of a douche the Dev is to everyone in the gaming community.

@LuckyLeaf sums it up nicely, with a bunch of good supporting details:
https://twitter.com/NJolski/status/1157112606055780352?s=19

SpicyPepes‏ @DeputyMemes Aug 3
Replying to @NJolski @ooblets
"dude thank you for this thread. Honestly don’t understand how people can be fine with something like epic existing. It’s hurting the game community in my opinion."

 

People will always find new things or ways to whine on.

 

To be clear, I don't "love" any of them. Steam, Epic, Origin, Uplay, Battle.net, Bethesda... they all suck in one or more ways. But, I'm not particularly passionate or emotional about the subject because I only care about playing the game that I paid for, and my intent is to accomplish that in the most inexpensive way possible. I don't care what client I have to use. It blows to have to use so many, but I think Steam contributed to that situation to some extent by charging them such high (extortionary at 30%) fees to distribute their stuff. But, they're all bloatware to me... just unnecessary baggage that goes along with the digital distribution scheme. If everything were current and DRM-free on GOG that's who'd get all my money. But, I still prefer digital distribution over physical media. It used to suck having everything on CD and DVD.

In a perfect world there would be no game clients at all. Everyone would buy direct from each developer, download a zip file(s), extra the archive(s) to whatever volume they feel like extracting to, and have a portable game that required no client bloatware and no Windows installer execution.

Indeed. It seems to be a prerequisite to the very existence of some.

People should spend more time complaining about how many new titles (on all clients) are just sucky digi-trash that looks like it was teleported into 2019 from 1996 as a remastered Nintendo64 title before exploding as an anime rainbow puke bomb.

 

There are the whiners, and then there are those of us that simply won't put up with the crap and refuse to fund it. No need to dwell on it, patiently waiting can be done quietly.

When some seem to interpret the quiet waiting as lack of resolve or disinterest, I can assure it's not. There are simply many other things to apply limited time.

Channels like TheQuartering keep the sane view alive and active, along with other channels that can get a bit too emotional, but still have the focus intact.

I've not had the time to keep the thread up to date, but thanks to everyone for keeping it alive.

Steam & Valve BLAMED For MEAN Gamers! Told To "Control Video Game Players"
TheQuartering
Published on Aug 9, 2019
Steam & Valve have basically been blamed for the existence of mean people on the internet. It's their fault a developer of a small indie video game got any backlash. Back EG Today!

For those of you wondering, what started this, here's a summary by Laymen Gaming (2nd video, but more up to date):

Epic Boss Has A Surprising Response To Inflamatory Ooblets Dev Blog
Laymen Gaming
Published on Aug 4, 2019
Nooz today on Ooblets and how the devs have handled telling it's community.. plus Tim Sweeney weighs in on Twitter regarding the tone of the announcement!

 

Agree. That is the best way to do it. Just saying no with your wallet has more impact than being a cry-baby. That's how I roll most of the time as well. If they aren't going to give me what I want, their survival is of no longer of any importance to me.

 

Regardless of what Epic does, I would not use "The Quartering" as a source of information for anything. The Jeremy Hambly dude is a typical "controversy clickbait" YouTuber who likes to exaggerate everything, to the point of being repulsive. I watched few of his videos and stopped when he started putting out video after video of "how bad it is that Marvel now has female actor in Captain Marvel who said she wants to see more women as interviewers and critics", with some more nonsense videos like "Marvel erasing straight white males" or "James Bond is woke and outdates men", "Disney erases gingers" and other ****.

If you personally like him and his opinions - that is fine but no need to advertise clickbait trash like this here even if he pretends to care about average gamers.

 

Did you listen to his content in this video about this subject?

I thought his coverage was good on EGS so far and in particular on this topic, and that's why I posted it. I did mention that they all get emotional at times but on this particular topic he's not gotten as emotional as the others - this topic being the Epic Game Store and OOblets, while others have gotten too emotional.

There are so many other video's I could have posted on the topic, but then again you can't please all of the people, all of the time.

I haven't had that emotionally negative reaction you seem to be having about some of TheQuartering's content, but maybe I've missed those topics. I do seem to recall some coverage about another youtuber causing him trouble that I could have done without and I didn't watch those all the way through - skimming them instead. But, that content I wasn't interested in doesn't keep me from enjoying the content from him that I am interested in.

What other commentators (video or print) would you suggest we all listen to about this and other related topics? Please do post other content on this subject and related items, articles or videos, or social media threads, it would be nice to see someone else taking the time to find content and post it.

 

Any other video by any other person not getting into "SJW" topics would be fine - even YoungYea is a much better person than Jeremy ;-) Speaking of which, he just released a video about class action lawsuit related to Epic Games.

 

Yup, I listened to Yong on this topic - Yong seemed a bit shrill to me this time. I usually prefer and post Yong's take (7 posts vs 4 posts in this thread), but it's good to hear from multiple voices rather than always hearing just one.

Here's Yongs take on this subject for comparison. For me TheQuarterings delivery was calmer and easier to listen to this time:

Epic Defends Ooblets Devs After Exclusivity Deal Leads To Massive Backlash & Harassment
YongYea
Published on Aug 6, 2019

Spoiler: Sources...

SOURCE 1: https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US...
SOURCE 2: https://twitter.com/perplamps/status/...
SOURCE 3: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...

Pinned by YongYea
YongYea 4 days ago (edited)
"Let's not pretend Ooblets devs didn't contribute to escalation with how poorly, condescendingly, and aggressively they communicated. With that said, it's one thing to criticize a dev, and it's another thing to create fake Discord videos and to throw nasty vitriolic threats and insults that in no way shape or form contribute to the conversation."

Yong was calmer here in earlier coverage, but I wanted the latest news and TheQuarterings most recent coverage came through easier to listen to for me - calmer and less shrill, so I went with that. For me this video was easier to listen to than his latest (above):

Ooblets Devs Mock Community With Condescending Defense Of Epic Store Exclusivity
YongYea
Published on Aug 3, 2019

Spoiler: Sources...

SOURCE 1: https://ooblets.com/2019/07/we-did-th...
SOURCE 2: https://twitter.com/ooblets/status/11...
SOURCE 3: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/com...
SOURCE 4: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/st...
SOURCE 5: https://steamcommunity.com/app/593150...
SOURCE 6: https://snew.notabug.io/r/Ooblets/

TheQuarterings coverage about how ridiculous Kotaku was for blaming Steam for the customer reaction to the Ooblets taunting and condescending "Epic Announcement" was notable too. Steam's been hands off this Epic mess the whole time except when Epic was groveling through the Steam directory on gamers computers.

 

Myself and others here with PC's have closed our Epic accounts due to "hacking", but I'm not sure if these or other security PC events are also covered under this Class Action Lawsuit against Epic Games, this reddit coverage is from the r/xboxone subreddit:

Epic hit with class-action suit over hacked Fortnite accounts (polygon.com)
submitted 18 hours ago by KOTRShadow
https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/coj8gg/epic_hit_with_classaction_suit_over_hacked/

Epic hit with class-action suit over hacked Fortnite accounts
The suit was brought on behalf of those affected by a security gap in Epic’s log-in system
By Ana Diaz @AnaLikesPikachu Aug 9, 2019, 5:40pm EDT
https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/9/20799032/epic-games-fortnite-lawsuit-security-data

Yong's typically detailed and balanced coverage, and he's alone in reporting this topic so far...:

Epic Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Fortnite Security Flaw That Left 200 Million Accounts Exposed
YongYea

Spoiler: Sources...

Published on Aug 10, 2019
SOURCE 1: https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/9/2079...
SOURCE 2: https://research.checkpoint.com/hacki...
SOURCE 3: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/3...
SOURCE 4: https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywin...
SOURCE 5: https://kotaku.com/steam-goes-nuts-of...
SOURCE 6: https://kotaku.com/valve-finally-noti...

 

I doubt that any Epic Store user will get anything useful out of this lawsuit, Epic will just give free games to people as a part of settlement, the only people who will get real money are lawyers ;-)
It is still good that someone launched this lawsuit, this should make Epic treat issues with their store more seriously.

Also, if you can - you should rename the title of this thread, it's kind of confusing since this is not about Metro developer threatening to discontinue Metro on PC anymore and this is now a general discussion about Metro and Epic.

 

The world is a confusing place. Who knew EGS would go from "Hey, check out those Free Epic games!!" to "Hey, can you believe what EGS did today?!!" all because of rich greedy people?

It's not even about Metro much these days - which was only the first in a long line of self-defeating idiocy coming out of EGS. It's all about the ongoing Epic failures of EGS, and what stupid things will EPIC and their paid flunkies do next...

So, which title should we go with?

Or should we leave it as is and let everyone enjoy reading the content and gradually figure it out for themselves? Didn't you have fun figuring it all out?

What EPIC title would you use?

 

The EpicGate? ;-) Or Epic GamesGate or something similar.

 

Those are good for a start, but we got enough "gates"...don't we?

How about "The Ongoing Disasters of the EPIC Games Store" ?

Or? Anyone can join in for a suggestion for a new thread title...

 

I think the ongoing disasters is the epic store would be best. Lol

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Ok, I'll ask a mod to change it, thanks all!

 

Another failure of the EGS. No wonder their take is so low they have literally no features.

https://www.pcgamer.com/borderlands-3-no-preload/

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The short disastrous history of Epic Game Store exclusive deal's are causing ethical developers to lose interest in signing on with EGS's exclusive offers.

Why I turned down exclusivity deal from the Epic Store (developer of “DARQ”)
Unfold Games, Aug 17
https://medium.com/@info_68117/why-...the-epic-store-developer-of-darq-7ee834ed0ac7

DARQ Developer Does the RIGHT THING, Keeps Promises to Customers
Coach Toolshed Gaming
Published on Aug 18, 2019
A rare bit of good news! An indie developer who didn't take the money and run out on customers at the last minute. This is newsworthy at this point. Coach talks.


Pinned by Coach Toolshed Gaming
Unfold Games 1 day ago
"Hey, developer of DARQ here. Thank you for sharing my story!"

Coach Toolshed Gaming 1 day ago
"My pleasure! Thank you for staying true to your word! I hope you are having a successful launch, you deserve it. Your article in Medium was a breath of fresh air in the current climate. I fully support your decision to stick to a Steam release, despite the efforts of EGS. I agree with your assertion that they are displaying a clear double standard by refusing to carry your game without exclusivity. Cheers"

Gulskjegg 20 hours ago
"I just purchased Darq via GOG. I did so due to your respect for your customers. We need more developers like you, and I will purchase any game you make in the future."

Unfold Games 20 hours ago
"Gulskjegg thank you, all this support is mind blowing to me. Really appreciate all of you, I don’t take any of it for granted."

Darq is one of a growing number of Indie devs that refuse EGS exclusive offers:

Why one PC developer turned down the security of Epic’s exclusivity offer
And what the move says about the state of the Epic Games Store.
KYLE ORLAND - 8/19/2019, 7:58 AM
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019...down-the-security-of-epics-exclusivity-offer/

"If you've been following the PC gaming space in recent months, you know Epic has been throwing a lot of money around to secure exclusives big and small for its Epic Games Store (EGS) on PC. But there has also been a small and growing trend of developers who are publicly rejecting Epic's money and exclusivity terms for a variety of reasons...."

" Rise of Industry creator Alex Mochi, for instance, said in a screengrabbed Discord conversation that Epic's "deal didn't appeal to me" because "I want for as many people to have access to the game as possible."

SkateBIRD developer Megan Fox tweeted that Epic told her they were "focusing on exclusives, and SkateBIRD promised Steam keys in its [ KickStarter ], therefore, nah [on Epic Games Store availability ]."

Factorio developers Wube Software said in a blog post it would see any potential exclusivity deal as "selling-out to big companies that would use the game as cash grab while destroying the brand." And so on.

Indie developer Unfold Games is the latest to publicly turn down an Epic exclusivity offer for its dream-like adventure game DARQ. The team went into more detail than most on the decision in a Medium post this weekend, explaining why "getting some upfront payment on top of guaranteed revenue" from Epic was not enough to entice them.

The main reason Unfold cites for rejecting the offer is a pretty simple one: the game had just been listed on Steam by the time Epic's offer came in and had already attracted quite a lot of attention on Steam users' wishlists.

That sort of thing didn't stop games like Metro: Exodus, The Division 2, and Shenmue III from jumping to Epic long after Steam listings were public. Still, Unfold said "pulling the game off Steam, especially so close to the release date, would surely make a lot of DARQ fans unhappy.

The other reason for Unfold's exclusivity rejection is more interesting, from a platform competition standpoint. According to the studio, Epic "made it clear that releasing DARQ non-exclusively [on the Epic Game Store] is not an option." In other words, the only way for DARQ to get on EGS, at this point, was to sign an exclusivity agreement and stop offering the game on other PC platforms.

Unfold shared screenshots of e-mail correspondence where Epic proposed a one-year exclusivity term stated directly that "we aren't in a position yet to open the store up to [simultaneous shipment]."..."

...more details at the article link above...

vlam Ars Tribunus Militum
" It isn't the least bit curious that the Epic offer came in AFTER Darq got a steam page with plenty of wishlist interest?

It's kinda like Epic has only made these offers to games that have had success/popularity elsewhere. Epic is riding the coattails of successful brands to try and get some of that success to rub off on them. It's sleazy. It should be distasteful."

VERIFIED AMA
AMA - I'm the developer of DARQ, and I just released it after working on it (my first game) for over 3.5 years. The creation of the game has an interesting story behind it, I'm here to answer your questions.
submitted 4 days ago * by unfoldgames_DARQ - Developer
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/cqrtpx/ama_im_the_developer_of_darq_and_i_just_released/

https://www.google.com/search?q=darq+reddit

Darq - Review Thread
submitted 4 days ago by diogenesl
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/cqyqpd/darq_review_thread/

Darq Review – So Dang Darq
William Worrall / August 14, 2019 at 10:05 AM
https://techraptor.net/content/darq-review

DARQ on GOG
https://www.gog.com/game/darq

Atmospheric, imaginative, clever.
August 19, 2019 Verified owner
"Similar to: Braid, Limbo, Inside This psychological horror themed puzzle-solving game doesn't take long to finish but the experience is worthy. Well-executed scares, bizarre body horror, and creepy imagery are paced out nicely and don't distract overmuch from the core gameplay. The puzzles themselves are clever and don't get repetitive. You'll have just enough time to catch on to a handful of interesting mechanics but they aren't overly difficult to pick up on. The effect is that the game feels well paced but perhaps too short - as if there's maybe just one or two more levels that could have taken advantage of the puzzle elements and told just a bit more of Lloyd's story."

DARQ on Steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/433550/DARQ/

POSTED: AUGUST 18
"I bought this game because I respected the developer's decision to turn down the Epic exclusivity deal and I don't regret my decision. DARQ is a short little indie horror game and you can tell a lot of love was put into it. Great atmosphere, puzzles were fun, and I'm left wanting to know more about Lloyd's story - which is a good thing! Highly recommend if you like this genre."
https://store.steampowered.com/app/433550/DARQ/#app_reviews_hash

DARQ TEASER TRAILER #3
Unfold Games


DARQ TEASER TRAILER #2 (old)

DARQ - Concept Teaser #1 [old]

DARQ - Release Announcement Trailer

 

We only have a short while to wait for previously exclusive games on EGS to come to other venue's, and the first of them will hit Steam on December 10th. It's spent it's time on EGS as a early access game, and will still be so on Steam through mid 2020:

The wording of the intro in their video seems appropriate. Hades is trapped in Epic until December 10th 2019.

"This game is not yet available on Steam
Planned Release Date: December 10
This game plans to unlock in approximately 3 months"

Epic Games Store’s Earliest Exclusive, Hades, Now Has a Steam Release Date
By Nathan Birch, 8 hours ago
https://wccftech.com/epic-games-store-hades-steam-release-date/

"When the Epic Games Store made its big public debut at The Game Awards 2018, one of the very first games to announce their exclusivity was Supergiant Games’ (Bastion, Transition, Pyre) new roguelike dungeon crawler, Hades.

The game might not be as high-profile as some of the exclusives Epic has lined up since, but it was the first, so it holds a certain historical significance.

Well, it seems Supergiant’s deal with Epic is about to expire, because the game now has a Steam page.

Supergiant Games has dropped a new Hades trailer in honor of the game’s upcoming Steam debut, which you can scope out below..."

Hades - Coming to Steam Early Access Trailer
Supergiant Games
Published on Aug 22, 2019
Hades is coming to Steam Early Access on December 10. Add it to your wishlist today:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1145360/Hades/
Learn more at www.PlayHades.com

 

I was quite excited for Hades. Then it was announced as an exclusive.

Still gonna get it though as it's right in line with what I like to play, though I'm gonna sit on it till the 50% discount hits.

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To pick up on an earlier discussion in this thread, a Metro 2033 movie has just announced - to be released in 2022: https://gamerant.com/metro-2033-movie-adaptation-development

And so has a sequel to Metro Exodus: https://www.gamesradar.com/metro-exodus-sequel-confirmed/

And The Two Colonels DLC is out and has gotten quite good reviews. I played it myself and loved it. Definitely worth the price.

All in all, things are looking great for the Metro franchise right now despite the Epic Games Store controversy.

 

As mad as I am that they backstabbed their fans with exclusivity I am glad things are working out and it's not going to kill the franchise.

Hell even without the PC release this game was going to be a juggernaut on the consoles alone.

Hopefully next time they let us choose where we want to install it from.

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Oh geez, really? It just occurred to me those EPIC jerks are probably going to pull this exclusive thing at every new follow on release for games they've caught in their web of evil.

So gamers are gonna need to wait 1 year after every new release to get it on other services. Rinse and repeat, forever. What a miserable thing EPIC have done.

So screw that, I won't play the EPIC hostage games at all, problem solved.

 

I dunno, I got all my updates and DLC on time.

Though yea I doubt I'll buy any games that go epic exclusive. Unless it's something I'm really interested.

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What DLC and updates? What game on what service?

What about the next release? Why would EPIC release their grip on the game franchise after one exclusive, better to pay for another exclusive and then we gotta wait another year once again.

Yeah, that's what EPIC is counting on, people that will sell their souls if they want the game bad enough.

Gamer: What kind of gamer do you think I am?
EPIC: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

Why do I need to put up with their crap. I don't. I'm not gonna buy any EPIC exclusive games once they release so I don't need to do math and calculate dates in order to play the games they've ensnared.

There are plenty of other games to play.

 

To the first one, all the updates and DLC for metro Exodus has come in on time on steam.

To the second point, I'm not buying them on epic. I'm waiting for them to come out on other platforms and the like.

In the case of outer world's, it's coming to game pass, a service I have been trialing and enjoying fairly well.

In addition to consoles that I own. Lol

I'd sooner sit on a hot iron bare ass than buy from epic.

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How are you waiting for Metro on Steam? You bought it when it was for sale - before EPIC / DeepSilver pulled it from Steam. Those of us that missed the brief window of opportunity to purchase Metro Exodus on Steam are the ones waiting.

The Metro Exodus DLC on Steam is an odd exception as it was sold and supported on Steam at the same time as it was released on Epic. Any game DLC that comes out for an EPIC exclusive game during EPIC's year of exclusivity will also not be available until the main game releases on other services.

For those of us - that were waiting - for Metro on Steam we can't buy the DLC and use it now, we have to wait for 1 year for the DLC along with waiting for the game.

You are taking this personally, I wasn't talking about you and what you should or shouldn't do. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that in my original post. I'm happy you are happy. I'm not happy.

I'm merely trying to point out that if I simply wait a year for Metro Exodus that won't keep EPIC from pulling this 1 year exclusive again for the new Metro release / DLC and then I'll be waiting another year for that.

As I just realized this I wanted to say that I'm not interested in continuing on this EPIC inflicted disaster involved with each game they stole, repeating it every release moving forward. I'd rather find another fun game unencumbered with EPIC BS.

Now that I've realized this I'm not going to purchase the EPIC exclusive games even after they are off exclusive, as I'm not interested in getting invested in game IP that I will continually need to wait a year after release to play off EGS.

I'm tired of EPIC injecting their BS into my fun, it's not fun so I'm not going to do it.

 

Who knows what will happen, but perhaps some of these game franchises that went exclusive to EGS this time around (like Metro) won't do it again. Obviously it's your decision to make, but I wouldn't skip out on Metro Exodus once it comes to Steam. It's a fantastic game, and if the eventual Steam sales of EGS exclusives are really good, it may encourage companies like Koch Media to avoid EGS exclusivity deals in the future so that they can rake in those Steam revenues sooner.

 

That's something I'll consider at / after the next release past the first exclusive for each EPIC hobbled game.

If each game does indeed open up their distribution onto other platforms, aren't EPIC exclusive for a 2nd time, then I'll reconsider.

If the game managers see poor sales on EPIC and poor sales on Steam totaling less than they originally estimated for Steam only, that should get them to drop EPIC.

EPIC has only been taking on games that would sign exclusively to them, if a developer asks to also distribute on other services EPIC isn't interested.

That same EPIC exclusivity will also be enforced for follow on versions of games the same as when those developers / publishers first signed on with EPIC. Those follow on new game releases won't be seen on other platforms for a year just like their first game release on EPIC. Why would EPIC release them from exclusivity? EPIC won't do it for any new games that want to distribute on EPIC - and get that pile of cash from .

As I see it given EPIC's "rules" the only way to pry those games out of the teeth of EPIC would be to not buy at all. Wait for the 2nd release of each game and if they have dropped EPIC then I'll buy both.

Unfortunately that's why I have to assume I'll never get those games. Once they have built a community on EPIC the game can't leave EPIC without disappointing their EPIC customers, so that game is stuck with EPIC exclusives for that IP indefinitely. I doubt those games that signed on as the 1st round of EPIC exclusives thought this through that far ahead.

And, that's where it gets to be such a mess I don't even want to think about it, which is the main reason to move on to other games and give up on the EPIC exclusive games, at least for me.

 

So far I like Epic game store, sure they are new but they will improve with time. Steam had the same issues.

 

Here's the thing, though. Steam's 30 percent cut of developer revenue allowed them to build a product with an unmatched feature set. Epic is taking less than half that. Plus all the money they're shelling out of their pockets for exclusives and refunds for people who were promised Steam keys on Kickstarter projects will not allow them to match Steam's feature set for a very long time, if at all. Right now, we're more than six months into EGS' existence and it still doesn't have a shopping cart so you can purchase more than one game at a time? Get real.

 

Like i said, it will get better, they have some growing pains. I used to sell on ebay full time for 10 years, it took me 5 years to replace my old income when i got laid off in 2008, it took time on my part. So it should take time on Epic's part to get where they want too.
They are starting small, paying programmers is not cheap these days. I dont have any games on Epic besides the ones I got for free here and there but I'll give them a chance to improve.

 

This is what I'm banking on too and at least for Metro I have no intentions of paying for it on any platform anymore.

 

Another opinion by different developer who thinks Epic exclusivity is good for him:



Ultimately it is up to developer to decide whether Epic Store exclusivity is bad or good for them and if you don't like the decision of developer - you are always free to not support the developer. Just remember that every developer is also a human being who needs money to survive, and some might need more than others due to different circumstances so don't call them "greedy" if they just want to get more guaranteed money for their product by signing up with Epic.

 

When you're looking to cash in on a short-term payout at the risk of alienating your fanbase and future prospects in the long term, I'm going to call that greedy, and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise. The Internet never forgets.

 

At least this guy handled it better than the Ooblets (or whatever the game is called) devs.
He calmly told it how it is from his point of view and that's it, instead of insulting the gamers.

 

Some developers can afford alienating a few narrow-minded and self-centered people. Especially if it can be compensated by both Epic and by people who value gameplay above all else (which is the majority of all gamers, especially judging by success of Fortnite which does require Epic Store installed on your PC unlike other "battle royale" games) and will either buy the game from Epic Store or do not mind waiting for exclusivity to end ;-)

For example, I personally do not like the current state of Epic Store. I do like Metro universe (I read the books in native language, including books not written by the original author) so I wanted to play Metro Exodus. I just waited for it to appear in Windows Store and got it there. Otherwise I would've waited for it to appear in other stores after Epic exclusivity would've expired and buy it there. Same would happen if CD Projekt Red would release Cyberpunk 2077 in same way with Epic exclusivity. I also know a lot of fans of Borderlands series who have already preordered Borderlands 3 despite its exclusivity or the Randy Pitchford's impulsive behavior ;-)

So please don't ever say things like "Internet never forgets". A few narrow-minded and self-centered people or some trolls might "never forget" but plenty of other people will continue buying the games in their favorite universe, same goes for people who generally do not care which launcher to use (you can see that there are plenty of them by the fact that Fortnite is still the most popular survival and BR game), regardless of your personal opinion.

 

This is true. I really don't care which launcher I use. Steam is the only one I start with windows though, the others like Galaxy (I do like the new Galaxy 2.0 integrations but I just haven't toyed around much with it to figure out if I actually care. I connected all my stuff to it, the playtime metrics and stuff are very cool.), uPlay, Epic, Origin, Beamdog, and I guess having MS's stuff is just part of windows.. shrug. I just launch them when I play something then shut it down afterward. It's really not a big deal. Most of the time they just start up on their own when launching the game and I do that with hotkeys and typing the name of the game in search. So I just have to go into the system tray and click twice to close it afterward so it doesn't take up 500M of RAM and 1% cpu.

I have 16 well reviewed free games from Epic so far, their free game giveaway stuff is worth it alone, as I couldn't care less about Fortnite. I mainly just want to play the games and have them automatically patched. I really don't care much about the social aspect, trading cards, marketplace, etc.. If all of that went away and all I was left with was launching and patching games I'd be ok with that. I do realize I'm probably in the minority though. There was a time I cared about that ancillary stuff, but I don't have time for it. I just want to play the games. One thing I do use quite a bit is the Steam community forums for the games. Those are helpful. GOG has that feature in a just as good of state. If Epic had that it would be pretty much almost on par in MY OPINION.

I do agree Steam has the better storefront product than Epic, but I really don't care enough about it that if I wanted to play something and it was only on Epic that i'd go dying on some hill about it, I'd just buy it on Epic.

 

Hard to take anything seriously from the developer of Super Meat Boy. I swear some of the harder levels were designed purposely to torture the players (I'm talking about those pixel perfect jumps required to pass)

 

Personally I don't give a crap what store I buy from, I do hate people thinking I'm a thing to be manipulated and used rather than a customer though so I don't do exclusivity. Same as loot boxes, day one DLC, and all that fun stuff. Once it's all over and I can buy the full complete game without any of that I may pick up game X but at that point it will be a fraction of what I would have paid day one for a full complete game from someone who wasn't treating me like I'm stupid. Take 2077, I pre-ordered, got no gripe about the spend. I would have paid more. It isn't about money, it's about doing business with those who give me the simply respect of treating me like a potential customer rather than a piece of meat from which money can be squeezed. And yeah, I know they don't care. I care. If more people did none of these practices would exist.

 

So many launchers... Everywhere

 

I'm so angry about Metro being caught up in all this epic non-sense.
People shouldn't be put on the spot for this to make decisions to throw cash at epic or find other ways to play it. It's such an amazing experience.

I couldn't stop myself anymore and started playing it a few days ago. Just got to the 2nd area. I don't want to spoil anything for those who have better self control than I but it's worth it, it looks brilliant, it's diverse, it's satisfying... can you guys tell I like it?


*no, I did not give in to epic

 

I feel ya, it's human to want and need, I redirect the impulse to other things myself, but I have more years of experience so it's a bit easier than it used to be to "just say no".

Glad you are enjoying it, don't forget to say thanks to the developers by buying it once it's on another service, perhaps I should do that as well even though I'm am not playing it - their stupid greedy publisher / handler is mostly to blame.

I noticed Deep Silver lost the battle with the developers of another game recently that won't be out as an Epic Exclusive and is releasing on Steam... let me look it up...

Oh yeah, Iron Harvest is going non-exclusive and is releasing first on Steam (IDK, maybe other stores too?), but they are 1 year out for 1st release anywhere, September 1 2020, so it's a long wait anyway:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/826630/Iron_Harvest/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

So at least all the user outrage has started to turn developers away from those Epic locked in exclusives, and hopefully will turn Epic as well and they will start accepting new games that aren't exclusives.

 

Yes, I'm sure it will end up in my steam library someway...

 

Felt the same way about Origin and BF.