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    The Witcher 3 Discussion Thread!

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by 1nstance, Nov 2, 2013.

  1. octiceps

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    They do have more credibility than you do

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    Precisely. Said "source" may in fact be nothing more than a crank with no affiliation whatsoever with CDPR.

    And here's the thing, @octiceps: we're discussing a game featuring a man who has been turned into something close to immortal by arcane chemical processes, who drinks concoctions of booze and flowers and who knows what else to gain super powers, who uses these powers to fights all sorts of nightmarish monsters, and you're complaining about how the garlic looks weird to you. You haven't even played the game. In fact, you've chosen to sell the copy you got for free as a protest.

    Perspective? You hasn't it.
     
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    Love this game series and I love CD Projekt. They are the good guys.
     
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    I never said anything about garlic. What does the subject of the game have to do with graphical downgrades and false advertising? Seems you're moving the goalposts or trying to change the subject.

    Yeah I sold my free copy of Witcher 3 for $40. The person who bought it off of me is supporting CDPR, not me. In 1-2 years I'll grab the game for $5 and still come out ahead of CDPR. All they get is a pittance from me.

    It's funny. We always talk about voting with your wallet as if it's the noble thing to do, yet when someone actually does it he gets pooh-poohed. :rolleyes:

    Don't lecture me about lacking perspective. You're the one who can't even see what's right under your own nose, developments that have taken place over the course of a year. You've been in denial for the last 10 pages or so. I daresay if you've followed Witcher 3 since the very beginning and feverishly consumed every scrap of media that's been pushed out, and have experienced Witcher 2 in its full glory, you too would feel underwhelmed.
     
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    I rest my case.
     
  6. dumitrumitu24

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    i dont know what they consider a mid range gpu?960gtx?its more a high end for me than a mid range but im really happy it uses properly i7 cpu's :) they even downlocked the i7 4790k to 2.0ghz and they are amazed how well its used under dx11.Cant wait to play.Thats all probably without the announced day one patch which improves performance across all platforms
     
  9. octiceps

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    Yes the game runs better than expected, no doubt helped in large part by the visual changes CDPR made. A midrange desktop card like 770 or 280X can max out the game (sans Ubersampling and GameWorks) at 1080p60. 970 adds Ubersampling and 980 adds Ubersampling+GameWorks. Titan X does 2.5K Uber+Gameworks or 4K Uber.

    http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-is-your-system-ready

    Some notes about GameWorks features:

    Game will have an SLI profile from day one.

    HBAO+ does not have a big impact on performance.

    HairWorks tessellated hair/fur has big impact, esp. on AMD cards with their weaker tessellation performance.

    PhysX is CPU-based but game overall is not CPU-heavy, another product of console optimization.
     
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    Getawayfrommelucas Notebook Evangelist

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    I can't believe this conversation is still going on. I can't recall the last time I read so. much. crying. I don't know if I should be embarrassed for some of you guys or admire you for your prepubescent crying.
     
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  12. octiceps

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    Hmm don't see Ubersampling anywhere. All in all, almost identical options to Witcher 2. Decent but not spectacular like GTA V. Should make TotalBiscuit happy nonetheless :D. Thank god there is a setting for chromatic aberration. Whoever decided a problem of bad camera lenses should be a graphical effect in video games is dumb.
     
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    If you dislike the conversation, nobody asked you to be a part of it. Name calling will not be tolerated so please don't do it again.
     
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    No character classes to choose from is a NO BUY for me.
     
  15. octiceps

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    ROFL /facepalm you do realize this is Witcher not Dragon Age or Diablo right? Perhaps you should go play the Witcher MOBA instead. :D
     
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    ... Do you even Witcher, bro?

    If you want classes, go play Skyrim or Oblivion.
     
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    Nah, Morrowind is where it's at. Everyone knows it's the best Elder Scrolls ever made.
     
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    The PS4 version actually looks quite good. I notice less ambient occlusion and lower texture fidelity compared to the PC version, but otherwise they look very similar.
     
  20. octiceps

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    They look basically identical. Slightly sharper texture, longer draw distance (Kaer Morhen panorama), and darker AO on PC but that's it. PC is supposedly running Ultra settings too.

    But hey, if nothing else we get higher resolutions and frame rates. So there's that.
     
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    Witcher 2 has better garlic than Witcher 3:
    witcher2cool.jpg
     
  22. killkenny1

    killkenny1 Too weird to live, too rare to die.

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    Cancel the pre-order!
     
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    PS4 vs PC vs Max vs Min... don't look a whole hella different to me! Only major difference is the big boulders as part of the wall scene.
     
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    Water physics
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  25. octiceps

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    InB4 @ratinox pops another vein over your garlic comparisons. :D

    But yeah Witcher 3 trades fidelity for an open world. At the end of the day, I would've been satisfied with an open world Witcher 2, although it seems even that wasn't possible. Also keep in mind that TW2 was DX9; TW3 is DX11.

    Some would call it platform parity. I'll use a more diplomatic term: homogenization. :D
     
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    Idk about you, but that water looks like one big flat surface to me. No mesh, everything is done through shaders. Seems we've gone full circle to HL2 days.
     
  27. Ionising_Radiation

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    The effects and colours of especially the VGX and even the 2014 35-min gameplay trailer remind me of TW2. Heck, if they could make that trailer look that good with Direct3D9, then I don't need (or have to bother about) Direct3D11.

    As I already mentioned, the only issues with TW2 are the mesh and object pop-in (which even GTA V has), a slightly lower texture resolution (which can be fixed by mods) and overly bright nights. All CDPR had to do was to extend the entire engine (in Direct3D 9) such that it would fit the open-world ideology of TW3, and bam, you have a killer, well-performing game.

    I pointed out the garlic because that was one of the most noticeable differences for me as I very frequently visited that herb seller in Flotsam. When I saw another one in that IGN stream, I was like "What the...". Furthermore, it is but a bite-sized (food pun not intended) example of how they blew the whole look-and-feel of TW3 to pieces.
     
  28. hfm

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    Max definitely has better textures and foliage, but they both look good overall. I just want to play it, this game is going to be so good.
     
  29. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    pre-loaded and ready to rock and roll!
     
  30. octiceps

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    FTFY
     
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    Doesn't GoG have a single download file instead of 7?
     
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    Guess I'm going to get it for PS4 or not at all. There doesn't appear to be enough of a visual enhancement on the PC to warrant fighting with configuration vs just playing it.
     
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    Don't know. I was wondering the same thing... No idea which is necessary to install, lol.
     
  34. octiceps

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    First time on GOG? You download all parts to the same directory and click the first part (should be the smallest file) to install.

    Man GOG's new library design looks hideous.
     
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    Usually they have option of downloading a single file or in segments or using the Gog Downloader. Only thing that works are individual files. Dumb.
     
  36. octiceps

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    Maybe for other games on GOG, but Witcher games are not single file. Witcher is 7 files and Witcher 2 is 13.
     
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    Jesus...I still can't get over how gorgeous the game used to be, esp. in motion.

    2013:
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    2014:
    [​IMG]

    2015:
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    Did they really downgrade the graphics that much? Guess I'll wait till this game hits the steam sales for $10.
     
  39. octiceps

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    Yes they did, Brian. Rise and shine LOL.
     
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    Well, thank you consoles. Build a $4000+ computer and play downgraded console ports...
     
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    Amen
     
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    I'm too old and busy to care about it. As long as it runs smoothly and efficiently and has good gameplay, I'll be happy.
     
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    Can't sympathise with the "$4000 computer" bit - same case on the Witcher forums, where everyone boasts "I spent $3000+ on a new computer and the collector's edition of the game hurr durr"...

    My $1650 laptop plays most games fine. $4000 can get you workstation power and unless you actually do such computationally-intensive tasks daily, it's not exactly worth it. But it's your money...

    Gaming is NOT computationally intensive - most PC games barely tax the CPU, if at all. An exception is GTA V, where CPU usage seldom goes below 60%, which is why I call it well-optimised for PCs. Oh, and X-Plane 10.
     
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    Your little Clevo would choke on the settings I use in most games. And 99% of what you said is not true but I don't have the time/energy to address it right now.
     
  45. Ionising_Radiation

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    Clearly our definitions of "I run games fine" differ. Mine is 35-55 FPS. Yours, I don't know. (60 FPS on 4K? )

    My computer is small - which is precisely why I don't need such ridiculous settings. 8x MSAA and ultra shadows/textures on a 13" 1080p screen (166 ppi)? What for? I barely see a difference between FXAA and 2x MSAA, although there's a significant performance hit between the two. Unless I zoom in extremely close on walls/floors, high-very high texture quality is fine.

    What's wrong with what I said? There are CPU-intensive games, like flight sims, and simulators in general, like Cities: Skylines, Civ V and so on. And then there are GPU-intensive games, i.e. most shooters, RPGs, etc. And the latter category is where more games for PC fall in, than the former. Anything wrong with that? I'd be glad to know...
     
  46. octiceps

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    AMD GPU users get shafted again by Nvidia's black box AKA GameWorks: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/35278-Nvida-Hair-Works?p=1658427&viewfull=1#post1658427

    And what the hell is this supposed to mean? https://twitter.com/GOGcom/status/599546190942838785

    [​IMG]

    They still haven't gotten over their petty little squabble with GMG? Between this and the censorship on their official forums, CDPR is really starting to piss me off. :mad:
     
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    Playing a game that taxes both CPU & GPU heavily such as BF4 or Crysis 3 with eye candy cranked up at 144Hz is one of the most demanding real-world workloads
     
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    Ain't nobody got the money to buy at GOG. Got mine at a 35% discount at G2A.
     
  49. octiceps

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    That's what's dumb. CDPR went after GMG, a perfectly legit seller unlike G2A, during GMG's TW3 promotion to get people to spend more on GOG. I thought CDPR was above such pettiness but apparently not.
     
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    Well, that PS4 vs PC video has now apparently been removed:

    Article.
     
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