The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Great news! It is heartening to see them take the requests seriously.

What is your feeling Striker in terms of the communication. Do you feel positive or just hopeful?

Perhaps in the next communication see if they will be working on a E9550 mxm card or not in the future? We may have a better chance making requests on the design there as they wouldn't be as advanced in terms of design.

 

They are taking this for real, but we must wait for the designers to check the factibility!

As soon as I have a response, I will let you know!

This is the first time I have heard about aetina, but they would be worldwide known if they make it happen!

 

I'm confused how you think a laptop rx480 is comparing to a gtx 1070. The 1070 is basically a titan maxwell. Even on the laptop is very close to its desktop counter part. The RX480 competes with a desktop and laptop 1060. It's really not close. Almost 25% difference even when heavily overclocked. JayZTwoCents did a video on a XFX GTR RX480 which is using one of the new binned RX480s and it ran well into the 1400mhz stable and was only able to get around 15k graphics. An overclocked laptop 1070 is near 20k.

 

delusional

 

Please show evidence that a 1070 can beat a rx480 stock at under 95w tdp..... thats right ask someone to set tdp limit to 95w and see what it gets.

Newly binned RX chips may not be better but they are now darn close!

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No need to add anything. We have to see who's delusional. I might be drinking some strange stuff, but you guys have your fair share of kool-aid as well.

 

Guys !!
It's actually Not about the cards, It's about the " 3.0b" and our legacy machines !!
Sorry for my post saying that AMD is not a choice, that's what I felt seeing the TDP of the rx480 at 150W and performing at >= 1060 levels, Yeah at 95W it would be sweet but we don't have any info on them with the market, Also that was because of the cooling potential also, Not only perf.

We only have info from a slide showing that updated cards are in the works, we don't have solid proof. While the 1070 exists in 3.0b.

Regarding LVDS none of them have that, also SLI. We are relying on these third party sellers to get those features.

 

Yea but no LVDS support for my AW18 :'(

 

As long as there is no SLI- and/or no XDMA-Support it doesn't matter!

I'm giving a rat's fart about which one is superior/more efficient/better oc'able, runs cooler, etc., as long as it isn't possible to a) get two of them and b) SLI-/XDMA isn't enabled.

E9550 looks very promising on the paper as well as the 1070N!

 

CF with XDMA should work, but coincidentally or not, there weren't new AMDs to try it out in laptops.

 

Silly me, actually there IS something to add. Someone cares to explain how the power limits of the new GPUs work? More specifically do they affect the RAM? If not, then setting the 1070 to 95W would mean that you leave some 10 to 20W unaccounted for. The stated 95W of E9550 is for the entire board.

 

depends how their understanding of tdp is. might be for the chip only or for the entire board ^^

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Wait till we can really put a RX480 or 1070 inside normal laptops perfectly. then, we can worry about performance.

 

Bad news...


9 hours ago, I had a call with Daisy from AETINA, she told me the new 1060 and 1070 does not longer support LVDS,(and is impossible according the designers) but it support eDP, SLI is possible but has to be customized because the original design does not include it, and we have to order A LOT (more than 500 ¬_¬ cards) in order to cover the design work, but it will still having the external power connector...

Also, she said the new card is larger than the standard one...

 

That is terrible news! Nothing positive whatsoever not even making the card in mxm 3.0b size!

What are their thoughts about e9550. Can they do the requested to that card. Stuff Ngreedia crap.

Also she doesnt realise we want to use it in a laptop?

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@Striker1234 thank you for the update.

So, Aetina option is cut off with the 1070 proprietary, what a sad news so they are just manufacturing the Clevo Design, that's all. meh..I thought MSI was making them but now that other corporation also makes the same design, that puts another doubt with the 3.0b dropping standard <- As usual PR B$ instead we get shoved the proprietary crap down our throats from these tech mono-duopolistic gaints, yeah the full desktop class is good but I guess shaving a few TDP off the cards we could still get the same power - Proof is the Zotac Magnum with 1070.

Now we have GeCube (?, no info) and OEM- Zotac/MSI 1070N from the Magnus box..sad future, I don't believe that HBM debut will make the existing Clevo machines eligible for the upgrade, the unified HS design defeats every purpose of the upgrade path, Look at the AW17 hard mods, now how can one forge a custom Heatsink with the 77xxZM/DM machines. It would certainly break the HS.

Whole scene clears everything for me now. The Industry are just hellbent on screwing the Upgrades/Liberty first blow was with the PCIe Express slot, then Battery packs, followed by the mega BGA Intel push, Next the ODD dead, and finally after a decade we have LVDS & 3.0b form factors and I see the future as 2.5" bays which are already short on number which featured in the new systems. Next is what ?? (Also the crApple with the new proprietary connector with the new Mac's NVMe standard PCIe speeds and dropping of the ports on Mac and 3.5mm on the iPhone) On yeah forgot to mention dumbing down the people..

Cannot expect a change instead a full regressed future ahead, Though we can have the bandage type fixes like the MDL, NBR, T|I etc..

Well Gents, It's been a great ride...Amen to Liberty !!

 

She does because the question was for the AW17, but for mistake (I think) she said desktop...

 

Pretty much true. I guess the more optimistic of us can wait until the end of the year to see what happens with amd but yeah this hobby of mine is quickly dying.

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I mean the news about the pascal cards is not new, we've known since august pascal architecture does not support lvds, at any capacity. At least on the RX 480 MXM, the pin out is there for LVDS support, just a matter of having a vBIOS support it.

 

So how about the 1060 in Optimus machine ?
dGPU is in fact connected to iGPu and PCH, routing output to LVDS.
It worked in Clevo. Should work on other machines too right ?

I know this drops SLI out of equation. But hey, it's something, so old LVDS systems are not completely lost, are they?

Heck I'd test it in my MSI GT70 but I'm afraid I won't be able to get rid of the card if it doesnt work after all. 600 bucks for paperweight is a little bit too much.

edit:
in my current setup (970M), dGPU outputs directly to external display(HDMI, miniDP). IntelHD does not work on external LCD. (as soon as I connect ext. screen, dGPU kicks in.)

If I disconnect external display and connect only built-in LCD, IntelHD utility opens. Even if I run games. BUT! 970M does not detect any display in this case. This means it outputs to iGPU etc.

If I connect both built-in and external LCD, 970M detects only external screen. IntelHD driver utility runs and I have video output on both screens. This means 970M outputs to external directly, and it outputs to LVDS screen through intelHD.
If I'm not missing something important, 1060 and 1070 should work on Optimus machines.
Of course, good bye SLI and G-sync, but at least single-GPU seems plausible.

 

It depends on wiring and stuff but a 3.0b (non-clevo) 1060 via Optimus is the best option for backwards compatibility at this stage. But it always depends on firmware to be compatible so if you are really risk averse wait until someone else has tried it in your model.

 

I waited for someone else to try GTX770M in my old laptop. I guess it's my turn
I know more people trying to do this upgrade and they are too waiting.
Besides, this will need some heatsink mod, I have couple of spare heatsinks here.

Worst thing that could happen, it won't work and I'll have to sell the card and buy GTX980M instead.
I'm waiting for seller on ebay to reply, and hopefully I'll have some results soon.

 

Make sure it's ebay seller woodzstack666 or you could find his threads here on NBR and not pay ebay their cut

 

yes it's him. I cannot ping him here since I dont have enough posts to send PM but ebay messages work.

 

@woodzstack hey man can you get in here and help this guy out?

 

Eh Guys,

Any news whether the 9550e is 100% working in an ivy bridge setup? particularly with MSI GT series nb?

Thanks

 

Card is not even out yet

 

I've been summoned ! Allow me to grant theee, thy wishes for free.... okay forget the genie talk, but speaking videocards is definitely rubbing me the right way. let me read whats what...

 

Right, for sharing with the community I love, I'm more then happy to pass on savings on the small sales in the sales bazaar - but we're not encouraged to talk sales in these threads. You can always take sales to PM's or to those specific threads (just saying)...

 

Yeah but to be fair, legacy laptops, or ones with no option for UEFI and windows 8/10 compliance are very very old. Like 5-6+ years old. Technically the issues we have are the same we've had with 880M and 980M - when it comes to the MSI versions of the 1060N and 1070N ALBEIT the physical size/shape/silhouette of the 1070n in particular as an extra.

Aetina who/whut ? I think your speaking desktop issues. The systems with LVDS can not do the purely digital UEFI dedicated boot the same way a system with a full eDP connection can, sure. But the HD intel chip with optimus being a MUXless switching design till acts as the gate keeper here, and thus loads the legacy boot for the LVDS screen. I see no way it wouldn't work. It would be news if it didn't work. I would bet though some systems might not be new enough or have a supporting bios - but those should be the same system unable to load a 980/980DT anyways.

i don;t think systems with LVDS are completely lost, it would technically only require some sort of firmware update or bios change to keep everything loading from the Optimus/HD intel chip to the analogue/LVDS screen . ( I have not seen anyone report it doesn't work that I trust.) Sorry I haven't tested this yet, I have a few AW17's I meant to test, but haven't gone around to it. One of them has issues that need to be resolved before hand and another is in such mint condition, I am hesitant to use it, and think of keeping it as a relic - guy on this forum sold me a totally MINT condition AW17 and it's like.. not even got finger prints on it, original paste, no sign of any wear or tear, the box even was new, can;t blame me for not using it, lol It's collectors edition man ! Last good Alienware released, ever !

 

@woodzstack , Yep Desktop-mini hybrid but the Zotac Magnum has an MSI made GTX1070 N with full 3.0b form & Aetina link is posted a few pages back another Taiwan based company who we had our hopes on for making the same 3.0b 1070N. Rest I didn't get sorry.

 

ahh clears up some confusion. I've had a bit of my head in playing this new game, "Tyranny" amazing game... just brilliant really. Kind of late to check all my messages, but like I rarely get a chance to spend time enjoying a game anymore :S

 

I guess you are right Woodz there is the M15x from 7 years back but pretty much nothing else will run a Maxwell chip from that era so I am just hoping that a Pascal or Polaris chip can be released in the same compatibility/condition as the 970M or 980M were.

Otherwise guess I m stuffed. No igpu at all, 30 pin eDP sure but no actual socket only socket traces and no way to know if the traces actually lead to anything or not.

 

AMD RX480 like all of NVIDIA 10 series doesn't support LVDS panels anymore.

 

I quit...

 

Gtx 980M is the last card that supports LVDS. What is your laptop model? Maybe it supports both eDP and LVDS so you would just need to change the panel.

 

how much you charge for the 120hz edp cable and screen for the clevo p377sm-a???
thank you

 

Please check with our Upgrade Team via our Upgrade Form: https://web.eurocom.com/ec/supportr()ec or via email [email protected]. What is your current LCD panel?

 

Thank you for the information. Sad news indeed.

 

Lets wait and see. I have my doubts in believing this seeing its source.

Eurocom/clevo were my next choice of machine. Not now. Guess they hope to get some sales if they kill off hopes here.

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Haven't checked the Chinese guys lately, but the lack of LVDS vBIOS for the GeCube module is worrying. For me it just means - no LVDS. We'll wait and we'll see.

 

where do you guys find whether your laptop has a LVDS or EDP screen?

EDIT: nvm I figured it out. Aaaaaand Hooray! I have eDP
Which means, I can still dream about a 1070 upgrade.

sidenote: If you happen to own a gt72 (non s) with an IPS display, you'll probably have this one too.
Meaning, if you upgrade to a 1070 in the future (once it becomes possible), you'll be able to run g-sync, practically turning your notebook into a GT72S model

 

^^

 

best bet is to see teh actual connector.
I have optimus though, my intelHD utility saw built-in panel s eDP, but I took the machine apart and it was 40-pin connector, which is LVDS.
just my 2 cents not to rely on any software utilities to detect it.

 

Its the alienware 18. From my understanding its just LVDS.

 

I agree. Sometimes software can 'see' ports even though the physical port or electrical connections are absent

A good general guide though is that if your laptop (or any laptop using the same motherboard) was able to be optioned with a screen above 1080p 60hz in either resolution OR refresh rate, it's probably eDP.

Or if you look up you panel number on panelook.com it'll tell you if it's LVDS or eDP (and how many pins and even if you're lucky what connector)

 

what traces of what ? what are you talking about ?






Anyways yeah AW18 forget it, was LVDS only. AW17 and M17X-R4 even have eDP options, and so did the MSI GT72 series... just got to check what your running.

 

This is what I'm wondering, if the HD Intel chips can translate and help keep things compatible.

 

Just to mention, p157sm, p150em with LVDS were able to install MSI 1060 due to igp(idk the real reason). But their motherboards do have an EDP port.

 

Anyone know if the 1080 will fit into the eurocom tornader F5?