The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Still hopefully one last card would be nice

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uve been completely spoiled by the m15x my friend

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It looks like MSI gave up on providing backward compatible Pascal MXM GPU's, and are offering a trade-in program to make good on their "2 generations" of MXM GPU upgrades for the GT72/GT80 owners.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...for-the-msi-rep-2.795226/page-3#post-10326270

We started a thread for GT72/GT80 owners to discuss the upgrades:

GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-gt80s-owners-gpu-upgrade-discussion.795236/

 

That's a bunch of ********! Boy MSi should be hit hard!

XDMA.

 

So it's official... no Pascal upgrades for any older MXM GPU laptops? Damn...

 

Spoken like a true american

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There is too many unclear things about that msi trade in program. What will happen after you fill in the form? Will MSI send you offer/discount to pascal system according to your current rig? Will they replace laptop for free (very unlikely)? Will they give you details how to send laptop to them after joining the program? What if you won't like the offer (price too high to pay etc.)? MSI need to be more clear about that trade in program because now it looks like that they threw fish to us to shut us up and distract to win some time.

 

There is a thread where you can ask questions of MSI, it's not for discussion, there is another thread for that.

[Official] Questions for the MSI Rep! #2
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-questions-for-the-msi-rep-2.795226/#post-10322795

GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade
Discussion
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-gt80s-owners-gpu-upgrade-discussion.795236/

I didn't/don't consider this a USA only situation, MSI are the ones that limited their trade-in deal to USA. The discussion thread is for every GT72/GT80 owner globally.

In your country, do the same, contact MSI locally and MSI global, work with your local consumer protection groups, government and private, and make sure your region had the 2 generations of GPU upgrades offer - that's #1 to establish - to point out to MSI and the consumer protection agencies.

MSI Registration and Support Login
https://register.msi.com/home/login

Create a login and register your GT72/GT80, if you haven't already, then click the Support option in the menu to the left, and file a ticket with MSI asking when MSI is going to ship the Pascal MXM GPU upgrades?

Every GT72/GT80 owner deserves an answer.

Go for it

 

It was ironic of course I live in europe

 

It seems MSI is in deeper **** compared to Clevo based on this alone. Clevo although they promoted and mentioned the MXM format they never promised upgrades in their promotional materials. Unlike MSI, who promotes the hell out of their MXM format and upgradability for their GT series. Now it seems they gonna get away with this program in the US, but for the rest of the world, someone could potentially take this to court for false advertising if nothing is done.

 

I'm pretty sure there will be enough not satisfied with the "2 month" trade-in program in lieu of the multi-year "2 generations" of GPU upgrades promises.

Even in the US MSI is going to have a tough go of it if they don't start delivering GPU upgrades for Pascal - even de-tuned ones that fit the power / cooling profile of the previous generation.

At the least, people will be staying away from MSI in droves, for years.

Clevo is in worse shape as word of mouth is their biggest growth medium. Clevo doesn't advertise, noone knows about them, and even if they did advertise, their outside designs don't catch the eye - it's a technical sale.

Now they have poisoned the whole Clevo MXM upgrade community, that's gotta put a stop to a lot of sales. The vocal buyers and recommenders fall silent, or worse go on the same path to stop people from buying Clevo that used to encourage people to try them out.

Clevo has run on that upgradeability platform differentiation for a long time, now what is the selling point compared to other better known brands?

 

Well my point being at least Clevo seems safe if someone were to take this issue seriously and bring on some legal enforcements. As for MSI, I'll let this screenshot from their website do the talking....



Still no indication on the buyback pricing offered to US customers, and no statements whatsoever for the rest of the world. Will be interesting in the next few months to see how this pans out for MSI.

 

I don't think MSI, Clevo or any other company will suffer at all from this. We live in a world where noone stands up for anything, no one believes they have any recourse, and everyone just bends over and takes what they're given.

If that was the case, there would have been some suffering from rebranding the same tech with a different name, advertizing a 4BG GPU that only uses 3.5 of it, or releasing GPU's that are rebranded and run so hot they burn up and throttle so they never perform as advertised. If that doesn't convince you, just look at what our world govt's get away with on a daily basis.

People don't care, people don't fight for their rights and nothing ever happens. People are too busy taking selfies and talking about what Kim Kardashian is wearing.

 

You are speaking of a stereotypical minority, even people that do some of those things do think on their own, begrudgingly perhaps, but they do. They wouldn't be in the market for MSI or Clevo gaming laptops anyway.

You and I know better, and that's a good $10k++ lost right here and now, and for years to come.

Then there are the 10's of thousands that bought the laptops with promises or expectations of Pascal MXM GPU upgrades, and I can't imagine more than 10% of those will be returning customers. We spent to much to get burned again.

Then there are the 100k's or 1M's that rely on our recommends on what to buy, guess who's not on the naughty list now, and not getting mentioned in a positive light?

It's not gonna change Kim's mind, either Kardashian or Jong-un - but everyone else ain't gonna forget any time soon.

 

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that MSI better be really freaking generous.

1-MSI is in the wrong.
2-The GT72/GT80 has a relatively high resale value.
3-New laptops lack some important features that are useful to gamers like manual graphics switching and the ability to use DSR.
4-New laptops are Windows 10 only and many like myself didn't take the free upgrade because we really, really, really don't want that OS.

To me, 3 & 4 ...especially 4, have me questioning any exchange. If everything else was equal, [i7, 16GB, 128GB SSD+1TB HDD and Bluray] and MSI offered an even exchange for a gt72 with a 1060 ...that would be something I'd think about, but not a certainty.

...and this is not a good time for any unnecessary expenditures for me, so limited time offers that are going put a hole in my pocket is like no offer at all.

 

Should have some soon. Then all can be revealed !

 

A few questions!....

Really? The 1060?

I thought msi shelved the idea?

Also price? Good news at any rate!

Have you an older non edp system to test in?

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Who knows, maybe Clevo is shelving the idea too. I won't know until monthly shipment for september arrives.

 

well, at checkout , did you select the MXM upgradeability insurance option ?

 

You're supposed to add - "Too soon?"

 

Waiting for detail of GT72/80 Trade in Program.

 

Figured this should go here: https://world.taobao.com/item/538462606241.htm?fromSite=main

 

It's MXM 3.1 so I suppose same connector as 1070/1080

 

Wow an RX480 Polaris MXM !?
Alienware is offering the RX470 (Not talking about BGA / MXM but the option) which is not an option to consider at all, But the 480 should beat the 1060 rt ? Keeping the heat and TDP part aside..

 

Hmm that taobao listing works from my phone, there is a table that has MXM 3.0b in it (maybe a typo? the title was MXM 3.1 and lower down was a pinout for 3.1), 2304SP & TDP 150W is def Polaris 10
However from my laptop there is a red box with some chingrish about "limits local laws not available" or some such and nothing but the pic above

Are 3.1 and 3.0b forwards and backwards compatible or have things changed since the spec for 3.1 was announced a few years ago?

 

The 3.1 cards are just the same as 3.0B ones but with PCIE 3.0 support..

This AMD one looks similarly sized to a 3.0B card so unless there is a stupid power connector we should be fine!

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Gtx 1070 doesn't have stupid power connector and still it can't be used in older laptops.

 

Yes that's because of its shape.. Look at the AMD card render, the shape is proper..

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No news, probably prices will be ridiculously high so no one would take it

 

but the performance of an rx480 is marginally better than maxwell (dx11)

 

over in TI quite a few developments. The possibility of putting a 1070/1080 in our old rigs are not too far off.

 

Tell me that after an year* and yes I don't upgrade every year, actually it's once per 3 years or something, so the DX11 performance would improve and I would actually make use of the DX12 performance that it provides. Not to mention that if I manage to run it, it would be an upgrade from M7820/Mobility 5870, so that would be quite the performance increase. AMD are the better choice by a few miles, for me at least.

* Then again which Maxwell? Not most of mobiles for sure.

 

Things that make you go f yes, take my money already.

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...series-refresh/&do=findComment&comment=149864

 

wow! They might be able to make us 1070's and 1080's that work in p377sm-a's!!!

At least I hope they will lol.

 

At some point we need to organise. Crowdfund it perhaps to show the manufacturer that enough of us are serious. I think the 1070 is the sweet spot. It should be able to fit, it shouldn't need an external connector, and unlike the 1060 - will be a sizeable upgrade over 980m, and will be able to be SLI'd

Heatsinks / mods / extra heatpipes / bigger fans or stock underclocks will be needed to stop some laptops fireballing but I think we can get the community together and help each other out

 

Where there is a well there is a way if you setup something i'm sure the community would back it and it would get the greenlight. I certainly wouldn't mind assisting.

 

If such a thing is possible, I wonder how Clevo and MSI didn't order those to keep on their promised "upgradable" feature for their previous laptops?

 

I think It's more of a Nvidia thing, they had huge upper hand with GFX performance and AMD was slow to push things, they were too late while the green greed raked profits. Plus It might also be AMD focusing more on console market also that Intel type fiasco bribing OEM/ODMs to mess up AMD, history might have repeated. Since there's huge boost in perf with Pascal and Nvidia went up further complicating things like eDP must, EC comm, etc...So many factors to screw consumers, AND Clevo didn't promise anything, MSI did on the other hand for what ? $$$ and marketing ofc.

It's just the Clevo's designs were fully focused on socketed, hell they are shipping Desktop K/X series CPUs in a notebook since a long time even when there are XM/MX mobile chips (2013, last) while others are strapped to BGA HQ/HK chips which are poorly binned by default due to Intel's endless greed and the fear of post <10nm tech and no significant IPC improvements over the years, MSI failed to address the promise in a miserable way but they are gold since Avg. Joe doesn't know shiz about the MXMs and all except falling for buzzwords "Cooler Boost" "SpeedShift" "Win10" "<insert-any>", now they are just trying to tie things off with that Trade-In program I followed few days but didn't happen to see any progress and the " MXM upgrade promise trade-in program" was a disastrous shizstorm...

All of a sudden these 3.xb mxm AMD RX480s surfaced which is really a good thing (Although Prema said AMD cards are on the horizon, time slowly unfolding things as-usual) Still the only OEM offering the Mobile Polaris is Alienware that too stopped at BGA RX470 which is an underpowered card when pitted against a 1060, 1070 is out of the question for AMD.

Very sad time, When I had the M15x things were so bright, Alienware was the Prophet and now what's left is just a Pawn for the Hell gods to manipulate the market and bend the consumers to their greed.

Hope Clevo and MSI evolve into more powerful force like Halo to melt the soldered Flood infestation that's upon us and spank the Ngreeedia, Intel.

P.S - If that GeCube offers MXM3.xb 1070's It'd be really awesome to see things getting in track, hope so.

Spoiler: Semi-OT

Micro$haft/Intel proaganda (KabyLake, Skylake xHCI backwards compatiability mess, DX12, Telemetry) is on a whole another level, no idea where it will lead to...

 

Its up for sale guys....RX 480 MXM:

https://world.taobao.com/item/53850...main&spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-3808616631.15.QnwHQ8

 

Less than 300 eur ... Holy **** :O

 

Are you pulling the plug at least on one of them? Really tempted to get one for the P771ZM after being screwed over by Clevo..

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I really would like to, but I don't know any Chinese so I'm going to need help navigating through the web and communicating with the seller.

 

I want to say 'me too'. $400 Aud is nearly 1/3rd of a range topper MXM of the last 5 years - though it looks very much like 1070 heat & power draw for 1060 performance. The crazy cheap is almost worth figuring out how to cool it (150W TDP?!?) and putting up with AMD's drivers.

However a few garbled google-translated phrases make me wonder if the listing is an EOI for development rather than a listing for a retail product:
"billing formal and not to purchase."
"MXM highly targeted customers, our company will be customized to the needs of a way to cooperate, if the demand in this area, please contact the following ways:"

 

I can do it for you.

 

Plz keep is in da loop how it went! If they are reliable, I will get two of them.

 

Hello!!!

What about the E9550? It has been officialy announced and will be available on December, but, I'm confuse about the Embbeded term, wil this be available for us?... Is this one better than GTX 1060?

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2882/radeon-e9550-mxm

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10710/amd-announces-embedded-radeon-e9260-e9550

Have a good one!

 

Visually they look fine, it looks like these embedded units are aimed at non consumer items, hopefully they are still compatible with graphics drivers (I have so little experience with Radeons I dont even know if there is the equivalent of the INF edit to force an install on unofficially supported hardware)

I saw a few listed while poking around taobao and assumed "embedded" was a dumping ground for low end chips, glad to be wrong and see Polaris 10 pop up.

95W TDP at stock RX480 spec is a much more promising number than 150W.

Can someone who speaks better than my Google-translate-standard of Chinese please contact Gecube or the lister of the taobao rx480M and find out if its an available product or get an ETA?

 

I sent them a friend request on WeChat, I'll ask them a few things...



BTW my friend had to open up his Alienware 18 yesterday and I took a look at the secondary MXM slot and I feel like the MSI GTX 1070 MIGHT actually fit there!

I'm wondering if someone like @EurocomTechspert or anyone else that has access to those cards would be willing to let me test it. Check this out:

 

Oh no what happened to it? Hope it was just regular maintenance or an upgrade.. BTW I had no idea you had Wechat. That would have been much easier than checking my PM all the time back when we were talking about that AW 18