The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-1060-cannot-be-done-said-msi-edition.805241/
I don't know, I think I'm a voodoo magic witch. Because MSI said that power req prevents upgrades to 1060/70 ? It's very weird. Either my PC is a super Saiyan. Or I think I have powers inherited from the god of the GPU's..

 

for those worried about performance!

EDIT: The fact that the laptop and desktop variants are able to match each other is great and even better when it's beating a Titan x Maxwell card.

 

Wasn't the problem with Aetina cards was they were longer than standard MXM 3.0b cards?

 

the problem is that they sell to end-users and the MXM 1070 they have, looks like p775dm1 M980 with the longer end on the right side.

 

what about MSI Vortex G25

https://www.cowcotland.com/news/58060/computex-2017-msi-vortex-g25-mini-pc-gaming.html


there is a mxm card

 

sadly MSI Vortex G25 has Msi 1070 mxm "wing version" visible on last pics posted

 

there is also gigabyte brix vr
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/gigabyte-brix-gaming-launch-specs



"Inside that tiny metal chassis you get the latest in CPU and graphics tech, with quad-core Intel Core i5 and i7 CPUs along with either Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (in the “UHD” model) or GTX 1060 (in the “VR” model). The VR name indicates this PC is indeed ready for virtual reality headsets.

They’re small, but they don’t lack connectivity. There’s a pair of USB 3.1 Type-C ports, three USB 3.0 connectors, three mini DisplayPorts and a full-size HDMI 2.0 port as well. There’s dual-band Wi-Fi antennas as well as gigabit Ethernet from Intel, and you can choose between SATA storage of high-speed M.2 drives. The two SO-DIMM memory slots support up to 2133MHz DDR4 memory for speedy, compact performance.

You won’t be able to replace the processor or graphics chip (it uses an MXM connector instead of the standard PCIe), but if you get your tools out you’ll probably be able to replace most of the other components with a bit of effort."

 

Any word on any new laptops compatible with MXM 3.0b this year?

 

There is no MXM 3.0B

Clevo uses proprietary now, and so does MSI, the rest are BGA.

 

dell precision m7720, lenovo thinkpad p71, fujitsu celsius h970, msi ws73vr, hp zbook g4 17

edit
zotac uses those card in the zbox magnus en1060, en1070, er51060, er51070, en1080

 

good hope

 

MSI Vortex G65 has been out for yonks with a variant having their sightly bigger than 3.0b MXM 1070s in SLI

Like all other MXM USFF PCs it is hideously expensive

 

it's kinda cool that the 1070 is more powerful than the maxwell titan x and in a laptop FF is quite impressive.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

MSI and clevo offer proprietary cards but don't the laptops accept standard cards too?

 

That's news to us, do they support lvds and eDP or just the latter? Can you upload their vbioses?

 

I wonder if @Coolane can explain this:

https://github.com/LaneLyng/MobilePascalTDPTweaker/releases/tag/1.0.0.0

Thanks.

EDIT: Kinda disappointed that no one has yet to bypass the certification check on vbios roms.

EDIT2: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash-with-certificate-checks-bypassed/

Anyone tested this version of nvflash with pascal obviously?

 

It's a simple tool that can raise mobile Pascal cards' TDP through modifying the vBIOS.
The current version helps modifying the vBIOS of the 1070 loaded up to 200W and 1080 to 240~250W without power throttling.
Desired TDP values can be input through the panel. The modified vBIOS required a chip-set programmer to flash the vBIOS into the chip.

 

@Coolane to confirm; flashing the rom chip directly works without a hitch? Its only flashing through windows/boot disk that is still locked?

 

Well anyone have a link to the AMD RX 580 mxm cards?

 

Still waiting for nvflash to have certs be bypassed.

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The card needed to be taken out and connected with a chip programmer to program it. The other side of the programmer is connected through USB with another Windows computer. Programmer usually comes with user friendly software to program the chip, and it can be done within 1 minute, after they are properly connected. It will take longer if the chip-set needed to be desoldered out if the chip and the programmer are not compatible for inline flashing.

 

I'd probably clock the TDP between 150 and 170 watts since that's what the desktop version is doing.

EDIT: I might take a chance and get a programmer. Nvflash tells you what chip that's on the board so you can look it up on a programmer's compatibility list.

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I thought there was an issue with flashing directly via a programmer.

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i heard the author who modded the previous version of NVFLASH said that he/she is not going release newer version anymore.

Programmer is not hard to use, but make sure to play around on a empty chip before using it on a real chip.
I suggest buying programmer+SOIC8 CLIP (not sure what it is called, the thing that you use to clip on the chip instead of removing the chip)

 

I'll look into it.

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This is the programmer I got (not exact link)
https://www.amazon.com/SMAKN®-Programmer-CH341A-Burner-EEPROM/dp/B013Q5P3ES
This is the adapter that plugs into the programmer and the spring loaded clip onto the chip - for mine I needed a 150MIL SOP8 (this bit is specific to the chip)
https://www.amazon.com/HiLetgo-Sock...8&qid=1497338665&sr=1-8&keywords=sop8+adapter

The link for the software package was in this video:

this will fix the usual problem of complete lack of support that comes with yumcha Chinese parts and the jumper settings that may be wrong from the factory
That same guy's got another 30mins+ video where he goes through the full process, he waffles a lot and I spent about 2 mins shifting through it to get the idea, it's pretty simple really.

I used all this, about 8 bucks worth, to unbrick a MSI laptop I flashed a bad BIOS to while playing (and failing) with unlocked haswell microcode hack

Just first thing you do is backup what's on the chip then read again and compare - to make sure your connection is good and the read/write of data is error free. After writing always compare with the stored file you've just written - so if it doesn't work, you know the code you flashed is bad, not the flash itself

 

I have the *.rom file that I flashed so backups aren't a problem.

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It's to minimise the potential for a dodgy connection between clip and chip pins, being unbridged metal-on-metal. All it needs to do is shift a tiny bit because it's ever so slightly misaligned and all of a sudden you're writing junk 0s and 1s to the chip

 

yep, that makes sense

@Coolane what clip did you get for the programmer?

EDIT: using photos of the MSI GTX 1070, chip reference docs, and the readout from nvflash it appears I have a winbond W25Q80EW chip which is an SOIC-8 150mil chip.

I've purchased the sofi-tech sp16-b programmer (other models seem to not support the chip I have), the soic8 clip adapter, and some IC diamond since I ran out.

I'm looking to up the TDP from 115/115 (base/max) in the stock vbios to at least 151/170 or 151/180 (base/max) to match the desktop 1070.

 

Interesting hearing these comments from a Clevo retailer...so where are these cards and are they eDP only?

 

Rx480


tul corp makes amd rx460/470/480 mxm gpus
http://www.tulembedded.com/News.asp?id=4

 

i just want to upgrade from my 980m, but yall are confusing me. should i get a 1060 or wait for y'all to figure out how to get a rx480 working on clevos?

 

what's your laptop?

 

Use the 980M till it dies, Investing in the latest MXMs which they are not a standard will cost you a lot overtime. 1060 offers marginal boost over 980M and perhaps might run cooler on demanding titles your choice to make.. But the cost is extravagant for it, you can buy a GTX 1080 Desktop card with that. And for the cost of dremelling the machine and destroying it you can buy an eGPU enclosure and use the M.2 NGFF with minimal mods (because iirc this gets the most perf you can manage through over the usual Thunderbolt, but the perf hit is definite due to the pcie link..or perhaps mxm again)

Plus trying to fit these unusual MXM cards to use it and hit by loss when you can't re-use it or sell it..the re-sale is piss poor, that's a fact. Look at the Zotac box 1070 costs a grand and again have to mod the HS..what about the box after the upgrade ? The 980M won't even work due to the vBIOS and EC issue again... See the way how we are being shafted at the only benefit being the closer to desktop performance (All remember what happened to the 870DM with the giant 980 DT card and MSI GT80 SLI with 980s left in dust..), even with the MXM modular slots we cannot even sell them again when Volta hits, god knows what shenanigans ngreedia & other OEMs will pull from their arse given the latest vBIOS Secure Flash type shiz going on, with ultra expensive custom MXM designs, reason being the perf and standards of MXM while the Quadros still use the perfect 3.0b standard..and AMD sitting like a lame duck..

The RX480 is worthless in a laptop with it's TDP to Performance metrics, Also It's a deadend for Clevos for that AMD chip due to the Clevo EC not compatible/communicate with the AMD Polaris mobile. RX580 also, I suspect TDP is very high and laptops cannot cool it efficiently which are built for the Kepler/Maxwell unless they are not unified heatsinks, better to go for 1060 if you want an MXM only solution being the only case, again comes to the point where it started, 1070 from Zotac being simpler due the HS only modding over the chassis modding & perhaps re-sell due to the shape/standard and compatibility.

OFC enthusiasts who are tinkerers and modders look forward to mod the effiing thing out and maximize it to peaks, Feast to our eyes & an achievement, also perhaps change people how things are intended to be the other way around not the current gimped scenario.

But It's a deadlock situation, Chose modular and get rekt by the insane pricing along with modding or go BGA (no way for me, I ain't supporting those anti-consumer tactics) or perhaps build a desktop to avoid this hassle by 10 folds but loose the mobility totally. Personally I think this time is worst for mobile market when you think in this perspective... TL;DR - Transgressions of Monopoly/Duopoly

 

Maybe there's some hope: https://smallformfactor.net/news/asrock-micro-stx-updates-gtx-1080-working. Especially when You read those words: "Now aftermarket availability for upgrading down the road is a very valid concern but ASRock has iterated that they’re working with the MXM card vendors Aetina and TUL to ensure there are affordable and readily available upgrade options for future GPU generations (like Vega)." I keep fingers crossed for Asrock if they want push in this direction.

 

It sure seems like a great thing to hear. All three of the nvidia mxm cards work in the alienware 17r1 and having a standard shape mxm 1080 card would give the 17r1 a much longer life. Even longer if volta is supported in mxm. Great find.

 

ASRock tried this minipc way (with mxm gpu)

in 2013 with VisionX HPC 321B

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASRock/VisionX_HTOC/4.html








in 2015 with VisionX 471D

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7197/asrock-visionx-471d-intel-haswell-mini-pc-review/index.html






here Gigabite (last year)
Gigabyte BRIX GTX PRO
http://www.legitreviews.com/gigabyt...lt-3-geforce-gtx-950m-dual-gigabit-lan_177440
https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/9772-gigabyte-brix-gtx-pro/



Specifications:

• CPU: 6th Generation Intel Core Skylake Mobile H (4+2)/Xeon (4+4e) Processor
• Memory: DDR4 Dual Channel
• Graphic: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950

Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/gigabyt...m-dual-gigabit-lan_177440#xwXEDslmlqtJHtlA.99



GB-BNi7HG4-950

Features:

• 
  
  
  • Processor: Intel Core i7-6700HQ Quad-Core (2.6GHz / 3.5 GHz)
  • Chasssis: Ultra compact PC design at only 2.6L (220 x 110 x 110mm)
  • Discrete Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 w/ 4GB GDDR5 (GTX 965M)
  • Storage:
    • 1 x M.2 SSD (2280) PCIe slot directly connected to the CPU (No M.2 RAID possible)
    • 1 x M.2 SSD (2280) SATA/PCIe slot connected to the Intel HM170 chipset
    • 2 x 2.5” SATA III HDD/SSD, 7.0/9.5 mm thick (RAID capable)
  • Memory: 2 x SO-DIMM DDR4 slot (2133 MHz)
  • Connectivity: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260 w/ Buetooth 4.2 NGFF M.2 card
  • Ethernet: Intel Gigabit Lan (Intel i219LM)
  • 2 x USB3.1 (1* USB Type-C w/ ASmedia controller)
  • 3 x USB 3.0
  • 3 x Mini DP (Max Resolution 3840×2160 @ 60 Hz)
  • 1 x HDMI 2.0 (Max Resolution 3840×2160 @ 60 Hz)
  • Headphone and Microphone jack w/ Realtek ALC255 audio

Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/gigabyt...iew-gb-bni7hg4-950_188376#09DRRbyBfpP5wdlT.99


https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=513&t=4988431
http://ua.gecid.com/tags.php?s=nvidia+geforce&s2=intel&idt=0&b=52
https://kknews.cc/zh-mo/digital/y5mlzb.html




https://gigglehd.com/gg/hard/493520

 

Yes but there're few key differences which makes new Asrock offer much more enthusiast orientated. First off all desktop LGA processor, unfortunately only 65W but it still cheaper then mobile cpu. Standard dimension MXM card, lots of connectivity options: 4 M.2 slots: 2 of them sata and other 2 pci-e.
On another forum there're some interesting conversations and some leaks/rumors/informations presented as well: https://smallformfactor.net/forum/t...-stx-system-with-mxm-tb3-ces-2017.1296/page-7, specially this quote: "Also I was talking to one of the higher ups at TUL (AMD's MXM partner) and it sounds like Vega MXM might not be too far off. Fingers crossed that they price aggressively to move into this emerging market segment.".
Then if this new niche will pick up traction with the involvement and support of Asrock maybe availability of MXM cards will be much better and it will bring there prices down as well.

 

I think that mxm cards are a really good idea for gaming laptops or for mobile workstations mobile and so I hope that mxm cards are keeping alive.
mini pcs could enlarges production numers for these cards and it could help with prices. AMD could have a big role in that process but AMD need to be more courageous

 

The clip that I used looks like this (got it from China, there should be similar clips on Amazon):
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-1265#post-10540500

150~180W is a good balance for 1070 in terms of performance/watt, also it's safe for long term usage.

 

Clevo p377

 

p377sm-a with 980m SLI?

 

My plan is to get as close as possible to the desktop 1070. The notebook version has more cores, is overclockable, with the only limiting is the TDP. I hope that a higher TDP will mean higher clocks are sustained longer.

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well you can somewhat with a shunt mod, like i did 2ghz is no problem anymore this way

 

I'm just looking to bump up the TDP to desktop levels and be done with it.

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Thanks for the tool!

 

I'm just waiting for the programmer to ship now and I'm hoping the flashing process will be pretty straightforward and there won't be any complications.

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