UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

Thanks for the feedback, update made.

 

The 12.1" can also be changed to the 8400M-G. If you wanted to, you could change the 13.3" to 8600M-GS, or at least add that on.

 

An 8600 GS in a 13incher? WOW ! I wonder what is the most powerful ATI gpu in a 13 incher and 15incher...cause the higher res`s we all know...

 

It will have worse batterylife though, up to 1,5h, if you get a good battery on the A8Js. I'd still go for the F8sa if you want to game.

Remember that it could be a 64bit 8600M GS in the 13,3" LG, and that is only a bit faster than a 8400M GS (reinforcing my belief that the 8600M GS is a OC'd G86 with extra shaders and 128bit bus).

 

It could be, true, but as long as it has GDDR3 vram it will still outperform an 8400M-GS. And yes, and 64-bit 8600M-GS with the same clocks as an 8400M-GS will perform the same (just look at the V2s) but that doesn't mean it's a G86m core.

 

Add that the drivers recognize it as a G86m and that i've seen GPUz recognize it as a G86m.

 

That's because it uses a G86 driver.

 

See that's the part i don't get. Why would it use G86m drivers if it weren't a G86m?

 

GeForce drivers are not for one particular card. The latest Nvidia drivers can be used for a variety of GeForce cards; on Nvidia's site it states that the latest drivers are compatible with:

 

Let me ammend that: Why would it be recognized in the drivers as G86m if it weren't? What purpose would there be to name it Something else?

 

what's the difference between the two? (sorry if i annoyed anyone with this question. i guess i could have googled it, but i'd much rather learn from you guys!)

 

GDDR3 version have lower latencies, and the GPU can be clocked much higher. And I believe it is more energy efficient also

 

google these newsgroups.

GDDR3 is just faster RAM than DDR2. So bottom line GDDR3 will clock faster than DDR2 (and many will tell you there is no such thing as GDDR2 only DDR2). Both typically overclock fairly well however.

 

It's the other way around. DDR2 has lower latencies, but slower clock, GDDR3 has higher latencies, but faster clock.

 

He's not talking about the driver per se, he's talking about how the drivers recognize the device ID:

@fara: The only thing I can say is that the codenames do not necessarily mean anything. For example:

 

Hmm. There's so much conflicting information. The only real piece of info I found is that the 8600M GS is NB8P-SE.

 

Is the sacrifice for a slower (and amd) processor for a better Graphics card worth it in these computers:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220237

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834210003
The first one has an AMD processor with a 512mb 2600HD Card, the second has a T7100 and an 8400M G. Which one would be better for gaming?

 

The HD2600 will crush the 8400M-G to death, and then dance on it's grave without breaking a sweat. Plus, the TL-58 isn't really noticeable slower than the T7100.

 

Oh thanks that helps my decision. If the 2600 slams the 8400, I'll go with the asus.

 

GDDR3 is the later version of GDDR2, meaning its having larger VLSIC design in a smaller fabrication...with smaller gate width fanin fanout decreases ......resulting in lower stress capacitance(power loss in integrated circuits) in each of the connecting transistors.....in a whole less thermal energy is released.......for which the default clock of the component can be set to higher value(than that of the larger fabrication one.....GDDR2) without bothering about heat issue..............this also helps the unit to be more power efficient......so with same power input an area.....more transistors can work together.......giving out much much more performance

 

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone have received their DV6700t or DV2700t (8400m gs) and measured their performances against the previous generation models. I was really interested in knowing the graphics comparison.

Thanks

 

there is a screenshot thread here . search for it

 

both are 256mb dedicated vram , but the ATI has 768mb hypermemory instead of 512mb turbocache. I am looking at laptops to buy because my poor laptop just can't handle new games no more

which one would be better, i search for comaprison but no luck. in terms of heat, performance, drivers. Both have COre 2 duo T7300 with 2gb ram
Thank you for you replies in advance

 

what are you going to do with it i can only talk for the 8600m gs because i have one specs below and if you know about vista index score then mines is on the left

 

Try filling out the FAQ in the 'What Notebook Should I Buy?' section.

 

yeah, dondadah88 is right, it really depends on what you want to use the notebook for. however, if you're just looking for raw performance, the 8600GS is the better of the two regardless of turbocache/hypermemory. just out of curiousity, what laptops are you looking at?

 

Edit: nevermind, I thought we were talking about notebook cards...

 

They are...

 

I thought 2400 was only for desktops?

 

no its not amazong grace, its the top range dedicated card for small/ultra small laptops. thank you everyone for your replies, i went for the ATi card because the other was 17inch and it would be just to clunky. Acer has 15.4 inch travelmate 5720g It should be arriving soon

thx

 

I am thinking of buying a notebook (in canada, i don't know if that affects the possible notebooks or not) and i am currently looking at a really nice one from asus that fits my needs perfectly, the only thing i am concerned about is the graphics card, which is a ATI Mobility Radeon®HD 2400, External 256MB VRAM , Hyper Memory up to 1024MB and i couldn't find anything about it here, so I wonder if anybody of you can help me with it (or knows a better notebook to buy (my price range is around 1350 without tax...))


Those here are the main issues of the notebook, it's the Asus F8P
Processor & Cache Memory Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T7250 (2.2GHz)
Chipset Mobile Intel® PM965 Express Chipset +ICH8M
Main Memory 2GB
Display 14" WXGA (1280 x 800)
Video Graphics & Memory ATI HD 2400 256MB (DX10)

I am really confused right now, since i am not really into this that much, and I never bought one by myself before

 

Asus is a good company, i have an f3jp and i am very pleased. Anyways depends what your gaming needs are. It should be able to play most new games on medium settings.

 

This includes a pretty comprehensive list of mobile GPUs, but where does the 6800 fit in the mix compared to the more recent cards? I know a few years ago it was really good, but now is it comparable to an 8400?

I've been without a notebook for 6 months and I feel like everything has passed me by.

 

Never posted here, been here for a while... just had to say, thanks for the chart Chaz. This helps with everything Mobile, and in fact SHOULD keep people from asking questions in individual threads that have already been answered here. (Hence the sticky)

Anyways, thanks again! We owe you for taking time to create such a comprehensive overview!

 

It's definitely an outdated card but it's not bad by any means. Probably around the same speed as the Go7600.

Thank you. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve the chart.

 

What about the 7150? Man... I feel like a jerk for asking, since the list is more than helpful. But we have a bunch of posts pertaining to that IGP. Maybe you could add it to the IGP's. It's probably somewhere around the X3100 performance wise... but not too sure.

Hopefully it's not asking too much, just thought it would help with people looking for info on that card!

 

I appreciate your input KGann, thanks. I added it into the guide and in addition, I also added in links to reviews of IGPs by Pulp. :smile:

 

What is the max temperature that the GPU´s can handle?

Some have said 120ºC, but i´m not sure if this applies for mobiles cards, as their cooling system isn´t very effective.

My 8400M GS reached 90º with the 169.28 nvidia driver, but i dont know if this is safe!

 

Shut off is at 120, but you should start worrying if it hits 100.

 

Thanks Chaz for keeping this so up to date! Hopefully more people will read this thread instead of posting new threads!

 

from what i heard you can not upgrade the graphics cards, but im getting a Alienware M7950 and i was told that the cards in these could be upgraded coz the machine is custom made, is that true?

 

Well, technically yes, but I wouldn't bank on it. Companies will sometimes say "upgradeable", but unless it's something reliable like MXMIII, then you will be somewhat capped with what you have. Say you buy a laptop with card type "A" for example. Well, they say card type "A" is upgradeable, which is true. But, you already have the 7950GTX. Well, later down the road, they manufacture a few cards, going up to the 8800GTS's, for example... then they discontinue slot type "A", and move to "B". So it IS upgradeable, but NOT future proofed. When buying a notebook, you need to try and get something that will keep you happy for a while, so you don't have to worry about upgrading. Honestly, the 7950's are still beasts, (which is what you are getting I believe), but I would never invest in outdated technology. Sure, my card is pushed to mid range now, but still supports DX10, new shader models, etc., while the 7 series only supports DX9. Again, the 7950 will run circles around the 8600's and 8400's, but in newer games, will perform worse than the 8 series.

Hoped that helped!

 

Is there any performance difference between the old and newer 8400M GS with the 256MB dedicated RAM?

 

256MB version probably better at playing games with a higher resolution, difference isn't that great though since buswidth, shader and other hardware is virtually identical bar the amount of video memory.

 

I agree because the only real difference is the video memory and the stream processors; but the bus is so low (64) that the difference would be very minimal

 

I recently got myself a laptop equipped with nvidia geforce 8600M GT DDR2 card (vostro 1500).

Stock settings 1280x1024 and Vista I got 3200 3dmark06 marks.

XP settings 1280x1024, 169.09 driver and OC to 635/1270/545 I got 4273 3d marks!

I think 4200+ is a very good score for a ddr2 card, what do you think?


My dilemma is that I don't know if I should send the vostro back and get an xpr 1530 with a GDDR3 card. I only care about the graphics performance.

I'd like to know some GDDR3 3dmark scores, overclocked/not overclocked in 1280x1024 resolution (where I got 4273 marks) or possible 1280x800 (where I got 4759 marks).

This will greatly help me make the decision.


Thanks and regards
Spartan

 

I really dont think its worth all the hassle. I mean dont alot of these companies charge a restocking fee?

 

If you only care about graphic performance, then get yourself a Gateway P-6831FX.

8800M GTS > 8600M GT (GDDR3)

 

I hear Dell does charge a restocking fee, but you can usually argue your way out of it, especially if you're still buying another one of their notebooks.

 

I will find that out but for now I would like to know how big the difference is, which will help me to make the right decision in the end