UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

According to here and here, sites seem to be saying that the 9300M GS is based on the G98 core, not the G86.

 

Hmm, okay. My mistake, seems they were all over the place when they designed the 9 series cards.

Either way, the 8400m GS should out-perform the 9300m GS, unless the new G98 core is just ridiculously powerful.

But if you are looking to game, any 64bit card just isn't going to cut it anymore.

 

I added many new cards today:
9500M-G
9600M-GS
9600M-GT
9700M-GT
9700M-GTS
9800M-GTS
9800M-GT
9800M-GTX

They are currently bolded in the chart. I put them in place based on a combination of 3DMark benchmarks and specifications. Please let me know if you think they are in the wrong position.

Enjoy.

 

Hey Chaz, is the "Big List" going to be updated? Just curious. Thanks for keeping us updated on the performance of these new cards!

 

Best Quiet & Cool mid-range card?
I'm about to buy my first laptop. One of my biggest concerns is the quietness of the thing. From listening to others' laptops, those graphics card fans can be pretty loud, and always coming on and off - I assume can get pretty hot also.
How can I find out about the fans/or no fans and temps or TDP on these cards?
Any help on where to find the info, or any suggestions about good gpu's that are also quiet would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks.

 

Are you sure the 9300m GS is worse than a HD 3450- Its not the same Core as a 9300M

In fact its clock speed is quite a bit faster (550 from 400)

And Pipelines are about the same as Nvidia's pipelines are 5 Dimensional whereas ATI is 1 Dimensional ie: 40 Ati Shader Processor Cores = 8 Nvidia.
In a sense...?

 

Just wondering Chaz, do you have proof that the HD3870 beats the 9800GTS? Because Sager resellers have the HD3870 as the base, and charge extra for the 9800GTS.

 

ATI is trying to get some market share, which explains why they are undercutting Nvidia cards with such low prices.

here are specs and benchmarks:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3870.9597.0.html

 

Right, but what benchmarks prove the HD3870 is better than the 9800GTS (hopefully I've made it clearer). 3DMark05, is, well, you know. . .

 

in due time I guess.

When more of those cards are available for further tests and benchmarks.

 

Okay, well that clears things up a bit, so indefinitely the HD3780 is better than the 9800GTS, until proven otherwise?

 

In real life, how much improvement can you get between Radeon HD3650 and HD3470? All else being equal.

 

ull notice it, more streaming processors, memory(doesnt matter much tho), higher memory bus, faster core. The 3650 is the better choice gaming wise

 

On paper the 3650 roughly 2-2.5x the performance of the 3470.

 

How does Radeon HD3470 compare with GeForce 8400M GT?

 

roughly the same

 

The 8400m GT at a guess will perform similarly with general graphic details, shaders etc., but the extra memory and bandwidth will see it excell at higher resolutions and texture details. Also if anti-aliasing is being concidered then the 8400m GT will destroy the HD3470 there aswell.

 

Another update: it turns out the 9800M-GT is faster than the 8800M-GTX:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3627932&postcount=171

I have also updated the "best video card in an x" laptop" section.

Please let me know if you find any errors or would like me to change/add/remove anything to the guide, I would be more than happy to hear your suggestions!

 

Wow, again thanks for keeping us updated Chaz! I would have never thought the 9800m GT would outperform the 8800m GTX.

It's a sad week... last week, my precious 8800m GTS was in 3rd place, and the second fastest single card. Now, she's merely a leaf in the wind...

 

^^Since you call your card "she" did you by any chance give her a name?

 

Ok well the title pretty much says it all. How does the 9700m GTS stack up against the 8800m GTS?

 

9700m GTS has less SP (48 vs. 64), but is clocked a bit faster (530MHz vs. 500MHz). I'd go with the 9700.

 

I hoped this thread gets stickied

 

It used to be its own sticky. Now it's part of the mega sticky at the the top.

 

Lol, guess I should have read before posting. Thanks .

 

No worries. You're new here.

 

Our policy is no more than four stickies per forum, three if possible. The big general index stickies allow us to technically have more than a few stickies, so they are handy.

This thread is also auto-linked: GPU Guide. All you have to do is type GPU Guide and a link will be automatically created.

 

It's a very good policy. I remember how it used to be... And most newbies didn't read the stickies anyways, so just having one givest the forum a cleaner look.

 

So does anybody know how the 9700m GTS stacks up against the 8800m GTS? I am getting mixed opinions on this one.

Here are the specs for the 9700m GTS for anyone that hasn't seen them yet:
Core: G94
Core Freq: 530MHz
Shaders: 48
Shader Freq: 1325MHz
GFlops/s: 190.8
Texture fill-rate: 24(billion/s)
Memory Interface: 256-bit
Memory Clock: 800MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 51.2GB/s

 

48 Shaders as opposed to 64, 530/800 as opposed to 600x800... the core will have to be amazing to out-perform it.

 

I notice you have a Gateway in your Avatar there. If I get an 8800m GTS it will be in a Gateway. How is the build quality on that one? Also the 8800m GTS's Core Speed is 500 not 600...

 

My mistake, it is 500/800. (Used NTune)

The build quality is fantastic. Like I have said many times, I utterly disliked Gateway, and was expecting the worst when I took it out of the box. ... I'm in love...

 

Does anyone have any information on upcoming laptops with either of these cards (9700M GT/GTS)? I've found a Toshiba laptop with the 9700M GTS, but I'm not sure about Toshiba as a laptop brand. Also, ASUS is supposed to be releasing their G50 series with a 9700M GT.
I guess I'm looking for a laptop with graphics performance somewhere in between the Compal JHL90 and the Clevo M860TU.

Thank you,

Tyler

 

You can get a notebook with ATI 3870 or 9800M GTS (any current 256-bit memory interface card)... which would still be considered high-end, but wont hurt your wallet.

 

Aka the Clevo M860TU.

 

Yeah the clevo is a better choice. The 9700M GT should perform like the 8700M GT (die shrunk of it, actually) and the 9700M GTS almost as good as the 8800M GTS.

 

I figured the 9800M GTS was probably going to be my best performance vs. price, but I'm worried about battery life. I want to be able to get at least 2 hours out of the battery when I'm in class or surfing the web. The Norwegian review of the M860TU reported less than 2 hours with an 8800M GTX. Will the 9800M GTS have better battery life, and will the P9500 25w be that much better than the T9400 35w?

 

The 9800M GTS is a G92 so it should be the same, or very near. 10W less on the CPU would make a big difference on a 6 cells. But for the M860, I think the HD 3870 would be the best for the battery life and it's a lot cheaper. Haven't seen benchmarks though

 

from what i heard the ATI hd3870 is stronger than the 9800m gts and their cheaper because of competitive pricing

 

Is the 300 dollar difference really worth it?.. Can anyone help me find some benchmarks or comparisons?

Thanks

 

the 9800m gtx is way stronger than the 9800m gt

 

$300 difference? No. It has 112SPs versus 96. The difference should be similar to 8800GT 512 (112sps) and GTS 512.(128sps)

 

if you want to save money get the 9800m gt

 

How do you know this?

IMO as of right it seems the 9800m GTX is not worth it at all for $300.

Edit: It's really a $365 upgrade.

 

i didn't get the 9800m gtx because IMO it's not worth it

 

Depends on if you're one of those people that use their laptops for longer than 3-4 years.

If you plan on replacing sooner than that, I'd say GT because by the time you replace, the money you saved would already get you a higher performance GPU.

If you replace less often, then might as well get the better one and hope your laptop becomes obsolete at a later date.

 

Good point, thanks...

It also helps because this laptop has MXM so i can just upgrade

 

Actually the 9800M GTS is a G94M. See http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=226128&page=111. I don't know how that effects power, but I'm assuming that the newer versions will be a little more efficient as well as a little more powerful.

 

Woops that's what I meant. Messed up with the GTX. It should be similar to the 8800M GTS though.

 

What is the #1 BEST non graphic card, Graphic processor/chip available for a notebook on the market today?

I am planning to buy a notebook about 6 months from now. I don't know if then this will be relevant but anyways, I would like to get the best notebook I could get without a graphics card. And Just so you guy's know it will not be for games. 90% work/school/browsing 10% games/hobby I just want something that can run something along the lines of Guild wars. If my old old old Desktops graphic card from like 2003 could run it on High settings at 20 fps Im sure the best graphic chip of today with 4gigs of ram could too. Anyways back to the point yeah a nice graphic chip best 1 out there today