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3650HD<9600gs<9600gt

 

Strictly speaking, the HD2600 GDDR3 was better than DDR2 8600M GT and slightly behind the GDDR3 8600M GT. The DDR2 HD2600 is behind the DDR2 8600M GT.

 

HD 3650 is a DX10.1 enabled HD2600

 

It's pointless to argue whether the HD2600 is better than the 8600m GT or not because both will perform differently in different games with different drivers.
A better 3Dmark06 score means relatively little.

When buying a desktop gpu i'd always go for a GDDR3\4\5(whichever made sense ) but when concidering a laptop purchase DDR2 vs. GDDR3 wouldn't even enter the equation, it'd just be a bonus to get a GDDR3 card.

Also i really hope Nvidia or ATI start to bring out some decent gpu's we havn't already seen under a different title:\

 

Thanks I dindn't see that page
But is it a desktop motherboard IGP or is available for notebook too? So 8200 is a 7150 replacement?

Edit:
forget my last paragraph, I've found the TomsHardware article
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-nvidia-chipset,review-31126.html
and yes 8200 & 8300 are the IGP to compete with AMD 780G/ATI HD3200

 

Thank You For Updating

 

I contacted HP asking them what kind of memory they used in their 9600m GT's on thier dv5t and dv7t series. Their answer was that they do not use GDDR3, they use GDDR2 instead. So I was wondering, would the 8600m GT that I got in my XPS with GDDR3 would be pretty much the same performance or would it be slightly better? I've seen online benchmarks of it outperforming newer cards such as the ATi 3600 series with GDDR2 and the Nvidia 9500/9600 also with GDDR2. I guess I didn't know that it made that huge of a difference.

 

Err... 9600 gt will outperform 8600 gt, it's just the memory. I would like to see online benchmarks.

 

the 9600gt ddr2 will outperform it, but an overclocked 8600gt gddr3 can easily get to around the same performance as well

 

That is actually true, because HD3650 is competition to 9500M GS(which is renamed and die-shrinked(65nm) 8600M GT, which was earlier competition to HD2600(XT)). Actuall performance is something like that "9500M GS with close behind HD3650, 8600M GT, HD2600, 8600M GS". Everything like 9600M GS or GT or 9650M GS is actualy just OC of that same GPU and maybe different type of memory (GDDR2/3)

notice: Actually HD2600XT/HD2700 is even stronger then HD3650 and 9500M GS/9600M GS. There is HD3670 which is competition for those OC of mainstream Nvidia GPU (starting 9600M GS, 9600M GT and 9650M GS). How good competition, I can't say... but 9600M GT is basicaly same card asi 9650M GS, because +25Mhz on core is nothing.

If its confusing what I wrote, then I am sorry, but that just way it is. Nvidia made a real mess in their model names. Thankfully that mainstream models have logical naming(even that there are four different kind of models ), lowend 9300M (which is 8400M) have nonsense, that G is better(more SPs) then GS, and highend 9800M GT is better(more SPs) then GTS. Higher mainstream 9700M have naming correct (GTS is better then GT). Nvidia is just trying make illusion that new 9th serie is something new and better then the old one.

 

I believe the 9600m is just a die shrink of the 8600, so I dont see how a ddr2 version will outperform a 8600 ddr3.

 

9500M GS= rebranded 8600M GT
9600M GS= die shrunk 8600M GT
9600M GT= die shrunk 8700M GT

@AdamU: Maybe, but I can't think of any laptop with a GDDR3 8600M GT that won't melt of a 125mhz overclock on the core right now since they pretty much all already run very hot. The 9600M GT can be OCed too.

 

It really depends upon the resolution, the game, and the actual GDDR2 Clock...

 

DDR2 is pretty much always at 400 (DDR2 800). The GDDR3 on the 8600M GT is 700 (GDDR3 1400) and 800 (GDDR3 1600) on thge 9600m gt

 

Thanks for the info JCMS! In that case, I would say the 9600m GT with DDR2 will most likely be bottlenecked by its low memory bandwidth and can in SOME cases perform worse than an 8600m GT with DDR3. My 8600m GT with DDR2 is always bottlenecked by the memory bandwidth and not the core, I would imagine a more powerful 9600m will be even more restricted by the low bandwidth. Lastly, it still depends on the game played, games like MMORPG 9600m GT will be better since most are not that memory depended, and on the other hand, FPS games will require more bandwidth.

 

I know alot of the 8 series graphics suffer from heat. Would adding some Arctic Silver to it when it comes cool it down quite a bit?

 

The laptops that I'm thinking about buying come with an Nvidia 8200m is this card decent. I'm on a budget so I cant buy anything higher priced here's the link.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/rts_notebook/rts_notebook/1/storefronts/FE869UA%23ABA

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/cto.do

which of these would be better?

 

which one would be better and does the processor speed matter with any of these video cards??

and would i rather get this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...I?skuId=8906133&type=product&id=1213046768588

than the sager np2096 with t9400 2.53 Ghz 9600gt ddr2 OR force 3551 with p8600 2.4 Ghz 9600gt ddr3 on xoticpc.com?

 

9700GT? I didn't know there was one but from the 7 instead of a 6, and both of them being a GT the 7 wins! Logic my friend! bigger number = better if they are both GT's with DDR3

CPU speed matters if it's very slow, if you have a really slow CPU that will bottleneck your GPU "think having a 9800GTX with a Pentium 4 " But if you have a quick Core 2 duo, it won't bottleneck so much, but you'd best ask someone who knows more!

The laptop you linked looks great spec wise! I'm not sure about price however, you best ask a user in the US for more information!

 

You could wait till mid august for the 7811FX.

If not, the asus with a 9700gt is a very nice choice.

 

I knew I was at least half right on the die shrink thing. Its so hard to keep track of the generations when things are just shrunk or rebranded then claiming to be a new generation. What ever happened to adding a 50 at the end of a cards name when such a small/minor non performance upgrade is done? Never would have thought that would determine a new generation, but marketing schemes FTL.

Yes but also a very good chance in voiding your warranty.

 

so the best buy asus is okay?? i think it can be overclocked though rite? and i can wait till end of august maybe something under $1500 will come out

 

Overclocking? I hope you don't plan on using that computer efficiently for a long time mate, because you'll really reduce the lifetime by pushing it harder as it's already pretty stressed out "all those hot parts close together do not want more heat!"

 

on what settings will 9700gt ddr3 and 9600gt ddr3 play crysis? with 2.0Ghz and 2.4Ghz processor?

 

Med settings native?

 

will games run good with http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...I?skuId=8906133&type=product&id=1213046768588 ??

 

Could you be more specific about these *games* you talk of ? Tetris or Crysis ?

 

im sorry umm yeah crysis bioshock mass effect call of duty 4 gears of war...those kind of games

 

It'll be great for all those - probably maxed out w/o AA/AF @ high res, except Crysis - high @ low res.

 

Is it worth buying the Toshiba Qosmio F55-Q502 than the Asus G50Vm-X1 for $150 more performance wise??

Asus G50Vm-X1
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8906133&st=g50&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1213046768588

Intel® Core™2 Duo processor T5750 2.0Ghz
667MHz FSB
4GB memory
NVIDIA GeForce G9700M GT 512MB dedicated DDR3 graphics memory


Toshiba Qosmio F55-Q502
http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/qosmio/F50/F55-Q502

Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor P7350 2.0GHz
1066MHz FSB
3GB Memory
NVIDIA® GeForce® 9700M GTS
1791MB total (32-bit): 512MB GDDR3 discrete memory + up to 1291MB shared memory w/NVIDIA® TurboCache™ technology

 

The toshiba is definatly the way to go!

There are some benchmarks here which may be of some use but the 9700m GTS is definatly alot better than the GT

 

How long would A 9600 GS (GDDR2) that is found in the Asus M50VM-A1 last?

For the record, I really want to play: SC2, Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2. Those are definite purchases. Also, I don't have much preference on graphics settings. I'm still running my desktop with an ATI Radeon 9200, so I have no problem playing games at medium to low settings, as long as it runs smoothly.

So, approx how many years could this card meet my gaming needs?

 

the 9600gs will run those on probably medium with some high at 1280x800

 

I understand that a fast CPU won't help a slow GPU. I want to ask what CPU is required for gaming with a performance GPU (8600M GS/GT). How much FSB and cache would be enough? Is there a point on spending money on a T9300 (2.5GHz/800Mhz FSB, 6MB Cache)?

 

I'm set on buying a macbook pro, however it comes with different versions of the 8600 in regards to video ram. 256 or 512 mb.

I would like to game a little, and i know mac's aren't the best thing for that but for my purposes i'm getting one anyways.

However I'm wondering if it's really worth the extra $$ or if the difference in vram even really makes a noticable difference at all towards gaming.

Specifically I'm looking forward to playing Warhammer Online later this fall, though the specs for that game have not been released yet.

What do you guys think?

 

The 512mb is DDR2, correct? And the 256mb is DDR3? DDR3 in a heart-beat. VRam above 256mb on the 8600m GT isn't going to make a difference. Faster memory will.

 

i dont' actually know if its DDR2 or 3 so i'd have to look into that, but yeah if the 256 is DDR3 and the 512 is only DDR2 then apple is just trying to get money off of people with bigger numbers

i'll look into that right now.

 

For the MBP, you get a 512 GDDR3 8600M GT as well. Not much of a performance difference though, so the point is moot. The 256 will be fine.

 

Hmm, that's pretty interesting. Is there a price difference? I mean, if so, that's a good ol' Alabama Rip-Off.

 

yeah they're both DDR3 video ram.

so i'm getting that it's still not worth it tho?

 

It won't matter, they will both perform identical.

 

If you can get your hands on a newer one at the same price, I'd go for that one, but they score about the same in 3dmark from what I've seen. The 256 has worked just fine for me.

 

Is there a performance difference between a 256 MB Quadro FX 570M and a 512 MB GeForce 9500M GS, assuming you have the Quadro set up using GeForce drivers?

 

Is the ATI 3650 good enough to play games such as COD4 at high medium setting and get good 20-30 fps?

 

i'm 100% positive of that.

 

Thank you i have been on the edge of my chair wondering if i should get the F8Sv and now i think i will.

 

They have now posted game benchmarks for the 9700m GTS here at the bottom of the page ---> http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-...TS.9899.0.html

Unfortunately I don't know how the 8800m GTS performed so this doesn't really help me. Does anyone have an idea of how the 8800 performed compared to this?

 

The FX 570M is an 8600M-GT, and the 9500M-GS is a rebrand of that card, so yes if you can soft-mod the card using drivers it should have identical performance.

 

Older info but may be helpful ...

http://laptoping.com/nvidia-geforce-9500m-gs-9300m-g.html

G1

 

I can see that the 3650 is greater than the 8600M GT GDDR3, but is it a landslide in performance differences? or just a few (lie 3 or 4) FPS in a game?