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ok, so i know that the 9800m gts is faster than the 8800m gts, but by how much exactly? if i get the 9800 gts instead of the 8800, is there going to be any notable increase/decrease in performance?

the two laptops im looking at are:
1-HP HDX dragon w/geforce 8800m GTS 512MB
2-Gateway FX (something) w/geforce 9800M gts

 

3450\70
UT3: Medium
Crysis: Low DX9
Orange box: Medium - High

3650
UT3: High
Crysis: Medium DX10
OB: High - Max

If you compare how a game looks at 1920 x 1080 with how it looks at 1024 x 768 then of course it'll look like ****.
With a 3650 you should be able to run any game at 1280 x 800 with decent detail and it'll look pretty good
Don't worry about running at non-native res unless you spend all of your time on photoshop

 

Thanks for the reply WILLY S. That's definitely the kind of information that will make a substantial difference in my final purchase decision.

Does anyone know the answer to my other question- if there are any laptops 15" or smaller with a radeon more powerful than the 3650? actually, if people could even recommend laptops 15" or smaller with a 3650 i would appreciate it (i was looking at the lenovo t500 which i believe has it)

 

Google the 3dmark06 points for both cards.
Notebookcheck.com should have the right figures.

Personally id go for the Gateway.

 

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20424&st=0&p=89327&#entry89327

The original INF supports my 7700, so does it mean I can use this update instead of the latest update with modified INF?

 

I've asked elsewhere and no one answered, but
Do you think I can put the ATI 3650 Mobility DDRIII 256M in place of my HD 2600 mobility DDR III 256M

Both are MXM type II

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ATI-AMD-HD-3...NameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122
THe second question is would it be worth it?

 

Possibly, but it would not be worth it at all. They are essentially the same card(same specs) with the 3650 being a little faster.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=274230&highlight=ati+3470+hd

 

which is faster, mobility hd2400 XT or mobility hd3450. both have ddr2 memories

 

according to http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-2400-XT.3772.0.html and http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3450.9593.0.html, the hd3450 is better by a little.

 

notebookcheck is a poor frame of reference, but BIRDMAN is correct. The 3450 should perform better.

 

will the performance difference be noticeable? or is it only around 2-3 fps?

 

2-3 fps in what game? At what settings? Both are fairly low end cards, so I would go for the best you can (the lesser of two evils if you will). My understanding is that the 3450 can handle light gaming fairly well (beats 9300M GS I believe even), whereas the 2400 XT will likely be considered unplayable for most modern games.

 

Performance goes 2400 < 3450 < 2400 XT < 3470

The higher 3Dmark scores with the 3450 on notebookcheck can probably be attributed to being run in a newer laptop with newer hardware.
The 3450 and 3470 both support DX10.1 which would yield a few extra fps in supported games.

 

The HD2400 is the HD3200...

 

can the 9600m gs in the asus m50vm-a1 run cod 4, crysis, wow, doom 3, and fear on at least medium or high??

 

Is there any way to know what kind of memory is in a given GPU? I've heard that DDR2 GPUs have mediocre performance while DDR3 GPUs are really good, but the sites where they sell laptops rarely specify if the memory in a given GPU is DDR2 or DDR3.

Is there any way to know if a GPU has DDR2 or DDR3 memory if it isn't directly listed? (i.e. the site doens't mention this card has DDR2 or DDR3 memory)

I ask since I've been told some GPUs come in both DDR2 and DDR3 versions. Is there any hint in the naming of the GPU or such that could tell me which is which? I wouldn't want to order a laptop and then find out it's a bad GPU T_T

 

Hi.

How much power do the INTEL X3100 and X4500 use in WATTS

I just wondered how much difference their was between integrated and a dedicated cards?

 

Yes:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4573

 

Look up the performance of the gpu that is in the laptop and never mind about GDDR2 and GDDR3! It means alot less than the other gpu specs(stream cpu's, core clock, shader clock etc.) Even take processor and ram into concideration first!

 

Which graphics card is better: the 3650 DDR3 or the FX770 DDR3?
Thanks.

 

This fell on deaf ears in the sony thread so I'll post it here.

I am a but confused after reading the first post in this thread

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=302231

as it says in section 4 the first question, should I get a card with 512 vs 256. it points out 128bit vs 256bit memory interface, if the card only has 128 the extra mb of ram is useless according to that post.

checking various sites, like notebookcheck and ati's site it appears that the 3650 only has a 128bit memory interface.
http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd3600/specs.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3650.8839.0.html

but then there is this on the ati site:

so which one is the one that determines if the card will use the full 512 mb of ram?

so if the 3650 does only has a 128bit bus, then whats the point of the extra 256 ram if it can only use just 256? any help would be appreciated.

 

The HD 3650 has a 128-bit bus, the ring bus is internal . . . don't pay attention to that.

A card with a 128-bit bus can realistically only use ~256MB of memory effectively, though no one ever complained about too much video memory.

What computer are you looking at? It's important to pay attention to the type of memory the card has, either DDR2 or GDDR3, which is more important than the amount of memory. GDDR3 is better since it can be clocked higher with no increase in heat/power consumption. When you see cards equipped with a ridiculous amount of video memory, it's usually DDR2 (ex: ASUS M50VM and the 1GB 9600M-GS).

The FX770 is a 9600M-GT I believe . . . it should be on par with the HD 3650. For gaming, get the ATI card. The FX770 is a workstation card designed for rendering.

 

what about 64bit cards? , how much can they access effectively?

 

Probably around 128MB, though like I said, it doesn't hurt to have too much video memory. 64-bit cards aren't going to be that useful for modern gaming, though they are fine for supporting Vista's Aero glass interface.

 

thanks for the reply chaz, the card I am looking at is from the FW290, the 3650 with 512 DDR3 memory according to sony's site. Although I am having troubles loading the US sonystyle website at the moment to confirm.

edit wow the us sonystyle site is having problems I checked the pre-configed FWs here is the info

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665507467

 

What is the easiest way to update ATI Mobility Radeon drivers in Windows Vista?

I'm looking to get a Gateway C-143XL with Windows Vista and the ATI Mobility Radeon X2300 HD with 128MB GDDR3 Dedicated vRAM and I want to be sure it has the latest drivers after I do a clean install of Vista Ultimate.

 

The Quadro FX 770M is the 9600M GT GDDR3 and is better than the HD 3650 GDDR3, the latter is similar to the 9600M GT DDR2.

For gaming or anything else, the FX 770M is the better card.

 

The 9800GTs is essentially an overclocked 8800GTS, and doesn't provide much of an increase in performance, I'd say ~6%, which is negligible. I'd look at the other components and compare those, that should make your decision.

 

which video card is better in these computers?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220343

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220307

 

I've been searching for days for information on both the Nvidia 8200m and the ATI 3100 GPUs. If anyone has information on either one, or if you know one is better than the other, please tell me.

For those that want more background, I'm trying to decide between these two notebooks:
Compaq with nvidia 8200 : http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Comp...15364/catOid/-18746/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Toshiba with ati 3100 : http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Tosh...15096/catOid/-18746/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

For me, the decision does come down to the GPU. I know neither one is for gaming, but I plan to play CS:S. I want to know if I can squeeze a few more fps's out of one.

If any of you have these GPUs or Notebooks, feel free to give me any information you want about them. It might be helpful to give numbers, including benchmarks and even Windows Experience Index numbers.

Thank you for your help.

 

The 8200 is terrible, as well as Compaqs. Go with the ATI for more FPS and for the Toshiba. Dont forget to search the internet alittle! If you can get into Lenovo's Contractor Site you can get one with a dedicated graphics card for about 700!

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http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=302412

 

The 9600M-GS and HD 3650 are going to be about equal in performance . . . you could go with either one and have a similar gaming experience.

 

The HD3200 looks pretty good for an integrated on those HP tablets. Near equivalent to 8400m GS?

 

yeah, thats the best around. it probably will be the best for another year seeing as not other integrated card amounts to half of it.

 

Um... I am not sure about the 3200, but I am pretty sure that the 8400 is a low end dedicated card...

If you are looking for a nice integrated card I would go with something like the Intel 4500...

 

Hey, do some reasearch before posting. Waveblade was asking about the 3200 seeing as he said what is the best intrgrated card, he doesn't care about the 8400 if it's dedicated.

Also, a nice gogle search shows that the hd 3200 is an integrated card by ati which is equivilant in preformance to an 8400gs therefore destroying an x4500 in preformance.

 

Excuse me, but if you were to look at my post AGAIN you would see that I did NOT know about the 3200 which I clearly stated. Moreover, I told him that the 8400 was a dedicated card which he didn't seem to realize...

Lastly, I merely suggested that the 4500 was a nice integrated option, I didn't say that it was the best out there!

So if I were you, I would stop telling me to do more research, and I would start THINKING a little before you bash someone else's post.

 

The only reason to choose integrated graphics is the boost in battery life. This can be nullified by simply buying a laptop with switchable graphics such as the Vaio Z, u330, Thinkpad T series, and several others i may not be aware of.

If gaming is not your concern, both the x4500 and radeon hd 3200 will be fine on playing dvd's and ripping music.

 

Oh I realized the 8400m GS is not an integrated. perhaps it wasn't obvious. I was surprised it was THAT good.


Usually even low end discrete cards trounce integrated

 

No, and Nvidia 8400m GS is a dedicates/discrete card. Not sure if you got your words backwards though. And you are right, most integrated cards get trounced by even the lowliest of dedicated cards. The 3200 is a nice upgrade to the breed, hopefully the improvements continue.

 

Chez,

"The Big Chart" is missing some GPU's. One is Intel GMA X4500

 

Yeah I totally did. This is why I shouldn't typing a message really fast and loading up a game at the same time.


It makes me look even more silly

 

i can vouch for the ATI 3200, the Intel 4500 is crap, they screwed up with the x3100 and the one before that 965 i think.. anyway i think intel should just stick to making processors.

ATI 3200 is the only and best choice out there. nvidia doesnt care about integrated options.

 

so which one of x4500, HD3200 and 8200 has the best performance in games?

 

The HD3200 by a wide margin... It's on par with the 8400... The sad part: the battery life is not what is expected by a integrated graphic solution...

 

I was Wondering what is the video memory on this chip if there is any?

 

It is an integrated card it has no memory of its own so it borrows(steals) from your system main memory (RAM) when it needs memory.

 

Oic Thanks you

 

this thread was made a long time ago, i know it is updated every now and then, but is the 8600m gt still considered a performance card?

it's the one i have, a ddr3 that is.