UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

about twice as powerful.

 

The G 105M is about equal to my 9300M GS, or perhaps an 8400M GS, GT 130M equal to a 9700M GS I think. try notebookcheck.com for videocard detail comparisons.

 

My GPU isn't on the ranked list anywhere....*sniff**sniff*

 

Don't get swayed by the VRAM on the cards-instead look for the amount of shaders in GPUs, those are the ones that does the work of rendering your games for you.

 

And the bus width and memory type. Those are far more important than the amount of VRAM. The broader the bus and the faster the memory (DDR2vsDDR3vsGDDR3vsGDDR5) influence a lot in the GPU performance.

NOTE: ATI uses 5 times more shaders than NVIDIA which uses 5-in-1 shaders. So 5 ATI-shaders=1 NVIDIA-shader

 

hey all, I've been reading through this thread and want to say thanks for the great info.

I have my inspiron 1520, but its been having some problems. anyway, I'm replacing it soon hopefully and was buying a more portable / longer lasting laptop (in terms of battery). Anyway, I've gotten the list pretty narrowed down, but I've got no type of comparison for GPU performance in relation to how well my 8600 M gt (ddr2) did. I liked the performance and if possible would want something around this level while maintaining a small size / good battery life.

I'm in between the 9400M (the one integrated with the MBP 13.3 In) and the ATI 3650 found in the Thinkpads. I don't know of any other graphics cards besides the 9600M Gt (which will start to eat into my battery life/size requirements) this generation that won't require me to have only 1 or 2 hours of battery life or a 17inch PC.

So should I stick with the 9400M or 3650 (either or will probably do, I just want to play WoW, possibly SC 2 or FFIV when it comes out), and if so can anyone tell me how there performance is in comparison to a card like the 8600M GT?

 

The 9400M GS should be significantly worse than the 8600M GT.

The 3650, however, should be of comparable performance

 

3650 DDR3 is much better than 8600M GT DDR2

 

Let me ask then, for games like World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, etc, would the 9400 suffice? I really want to maintain a strong battery life and Idk how strong the t500's battery life will be in comparison to a MBP.

 

T500's battery life is excellent due to switchable graphics. But you are not planning on playing on battery, right?

 

No I don't plan on playing on battery, probably won't be playing games too often at all, which is why its so difficult to choose between having the slightly better GPU at the expense of more weight/less battery life.

 

Well....if you are fine with low settings and not playing any newer games that may come out (or at best chugging through them slowly...).....then yes

 

The HD 3650 GDDR3 will play those games well but the 9400M G will not. So if you're going to play, make sure you have a wall outlet.

 

Well I wouldn't be playing games without a wall outlet, is that the assumption you all are making when basing your opinions? If so, would it suffice using a wall outlet. I'm leaning more towards the t500 with the 3650, it's just so ugly, and I didn't really think I cared about aesthetics.

 

If you want any sort of 'future proofing' for gaming, then I would get the upgraded video card. The 9400M barely cuts it now; I highly doubt it will be up to playing new games in a year or two.

 

hey chaz i have a problem i was thinking of buying one of these laptops-hp hdx 16 has 2.0ghz intel core 2 duo with a 512 nvidia geforce 9600m gt vs a hp HP Pavilion 16 AMD Turion X2 Ultra Dual Core ZM-82 at 2.20 ghz with 1gb ati mobility radeon hd 4650 graphics. the problem is in ur chart you placed the ati mobility hd 4650 in the group above the nvidia geforce 9600m gt but yet stilll below in your conclusion where u state the best for size- i only see the 9600m gt the ati 4650 is not even in any category which is better im confused help me out please

 

It depends on what type of GPU memory both of those use. To keep it simple, HD 4650 GDDR3/DDR3 > 9600M GT GDDR3 > HD 4650 DDR2 > 9600M GT DDR2.

 

Considering both are HPs, both GPUs are probably DDR2.

 

i did untill recently have the dell inspiron 1720 that had a geforce 8600m gt card , this ran my games command and conquer 3 and halflife 2 fine , but it did get pretty hot

does anyone know what memeory is on the Newer dell inspiron 1750 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330

or trhe new dell studio 17 256MB ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3650
17 inch laptops .

i like that the studio has a hdmi socket but what would others go for , many thanks mark

 

The HD 4330 is far inferior to even the older 8600M GT no matter what memory it uses. The HD 3650 is a bit better than the 8600M GT and should be GDDR3. But the HD 4650/70 GDDR3 of the Studio XPS is the best of the mainstream GPUs.

 

thanks, if its only ddr2 will it still be better thank the older 8600, cheers

 

I get about 2x the framerate in newer games with my 4650 DDR2 compared to my 8600m GT DDR2.

 

I did a quick search and I found a few topics about it. I have also checked notebookcheck GPU charts. I didn't want to bump older topics so I started my own.

Essentially, I know the 4650 is a better card. However, the laptop that has it (an HP model) uses DDR2 memory. The Gt 130m is slower architecture-wise, but ordered from Lenovo, I know it will come with faster/newer GDDR3.

How does the extra slower memory on the 4650 compare to the faster memory on the nvidia card? For cards at these speeds, will the full 1gb even get to be used before the card is bottlenecked by processing power? Would faster memory be more important at these performance levels?

I was wondering if anyone knows how big of a discrepancy there is between the performances of these two specifically configured cards.

If anyone who is knowledgeable in the area could help, that would be much appreciated. Thanks!

 

GT130M 512 GDDR3 wins. Faster memory is the most important.
1GB is useless especially when it's DDR2.

 

Fixed; dont want to give the wrong impression

 

How would the upcoming G210M from Nvidia fare against a Radeon 4570? I know it's not released yet, but can anyone give their take on the GPUs?

 

Hard to tell, but the "G" series are the slower ones, and while Nvidia puts this card as twice faster than a 9400M G, it's half a 9600M GT: http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_m_series.html

A 4570 is more close to the 9600M GT than to the 9400M G, so it's probably a bit faster than the G 210M, but it depends a lot also on the kind of memory used.

 

Thanks. I was kinda expecting the G210M to be at least at par with the 4570 given its high core and shader clocks.

 

Yeah, it's hard to estimate the real performance of cards. Better wait for some benchmarks.

 

Trying to decide on a laptop for the wife. She plays some games but she does want to be able to play Star Wreck online when it comes out. I was looking at one of these hoping they will be able to hopefully handle it next year.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114660

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115594

 

help me understand this graphic card! what does 1gb of virtual memory mean? and is it any good?
how well will this graphics card work with this laptop Acer Aspire 5739G-654G32MN.

 

hi,

1gb of virtual memory means the graphic card uses your ram memory and it can go up to 1 gb.so if your dedicated memory is 512 and it has 1024 mb virtual memory it'S MEMORY can go up to 1.5 gb(memor:ram)

virtual memory is not liked by users as it takes some about your ram's memory in games.

turbocache:virtual memory in this card communicates and travels fast compared to normal cards that use virtual memory.

2815 mb of memory doesnt mean that your card is good usually 512 mb of memory is enough.so dont think that virtual memory will increase the performance.

virtual memory will apply some load on your ram in games so i prefer using a 4gb or more ram.also high frequency.usually all graphics cards can work smooth with laptops if the video card is stock(already installed in factory)but if you are planning to upgrade your video card it is hard and sometimes not possible

 

usually gamers dont prefer buying cards that have virtual memory.also 2800 mb is too much.

 

The Nvidia 130M GT has 1024 MB DDR2 as onboard video ram and can borrow ~1800 MB of system ram should it ever need to...

Which it likely won't.

 

so ur saying that this graphic card is good, but is it better than the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS?

 

NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or a NVIDIA GeForce GT 130M TurboCache supporting 2815MB

processors are intel core 2 duo 2.1/ 2.0.

 

Yes it's better, the 130M is decent but not good, and you should ignore everything about the card being able to use more than its given memory, because it won't ever happen.

 

GT 130M, as I said in your other thread.

 

yes the gt 130m is better but that is because of clock rates.

the 9600m gs has
Pipelines 32 - unified
Core Speed * 430 MHz
Shader Speed * 1075 MHz
Memory Speed * 800 MHz
Memory Bus Width 128 Bit


while the gt 130m has
Pipelines 32 - unified
Core Speed * 600 MHz
Shader Speed * 1400 MHz
Memory Speed * 1066 MHz
Memory Bus Width 128 Bit

 

The GT130M is a overclocked 9600M GT as Reaper is suggesting.
NVIDIA has not done anything breath-taking in the mobile world, just some renames...lol

 

the laptop that i am thinking of getting is going to have one of these 2 graphic cards, can u tell me which one is better for gaming?


ATI Mobility RADEON™ HD 4670 – 1GB2 vs NVIDIA GeForce GT 130M TurboCache supporting 2815MB

 

It depends what type of memory each one has. If one is GDDR3 and the other is DDR2, pick the one which is GDDR3.

If they're both the same type of memory though, the HD4650 will be better.

 

I have the ATI 4650 with 1GB RAM and it run mostly everything on max settings. I run F.E.A.R 2 on max settings without an issue. :] I dont know about the NVidia though. If you wanna know anything else about the 4650 feel free to send me a message.

 

4670? 10chars

 

i think the 4670 is better all else being equal. however, if one is using fast memory (GDDR3) and the other is using slow memory (DDR2) it will be no contest with GDDR3 winning.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3670.9595.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-130M.13789.0.html

The 4670 is basically a 4650 with higher clocks. The ATI card is the best choice, given that it offers DX 10.1 and shader model 4.1. It also offers GDDR3 memory and a 128-bit bus (same as the 130M GT). However, the latter is geared towards offering better power consumption; the 4670 consumes 30W to the 130M's 23W.

 

The 4670 will be a better choice mate.

 

It will be a way better choice... 4670...

 

The HD4670 is just an overclocked HD4650. It's not really a different GPU....

If you want better performance, just overclock the HD4650 to HD4670 clocks.

 

Why don't you people ever post the notebooks which the cards are installed inside. There's more to a good decision than just the GPU.

Manufacturer, CPU, HDD, screen resolution, build quality, price... all of these add up to the proper purchase.

edit: good luck overclocking the 4650 -> 4670's clocks. You won't make it.