UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

The HD4670 does need to pass standard stress tests before being overclocked so I agree that HD4650s shouldn't necessarily be overclocked to HD4670(as those are usually the GPUs which didn't pass the stress tests).

You still can overclock it though if you want the extra performance.

I was mostly commenting on people who seem to think there's a world of difference between the HD4670 and the HD4650 when there isn't that much.

 

Indeed you are right, but when trying to get a gaming rig on a budget, the best way to do so is by getting the best GPU possible...

 

Yeah, it's just sometimes a bit annoying when people only post 2-3 GPUs and ask which one is better without any info.

We're not asking for the most specific information, but half the time, we only get the GPU names and lack the actual laptop it comes in(from which we could determine say memory interface). The other half of the time, the GPUs themselves are pretty close in performance so it'd be nice to have the other specs of the laptop to determine an oevrall better machine.

 

In the WNSIB yes, some other specs, such as size, CPU, and the such are very useful, but in general raw 3D performance is it really that necessary?

 

I'm not sure what you mean, but let's put it like this...

Probably 75% of the time someone asks for a GPU comparison, it's between something low to midrange. In those categories, the most determining factor for graphics performance aside from the standard shaders is probably VRAM interface.

Now just browse through a few threads and you'll see; half the replying posts include "are those GPUs GDDR3 or DDR2"? Half the time, the guy doesn't even know. That's why posting the actual laptop in question would help us figure this out(it's normally not that hard; for example, we know HP uses DDR2) rather than make the guy just say "idk" or us having to add 2-3 sentences explaining the differences.

 

Why my Hd4650 is 450/600 default ?
And when i try to overclock BSOD ...

 

Depends on the BIOS and the HD4650 itself. Not all HD4650s are made the same. Depending on the materials and such, it can only withstand a certain threshold of stress.

When it goes near or past that you get a BSOD. Another thing to consider when overclocking is the power/voltage going to your parts. The more you overclock, the more power-hungry the part becomes and if you haven't adjusted the BIOS to send more juice to the part, it'll crash and you get a BSOD.

I know that when I overclocked my CPU, it'd get frequent BSODs because I hadn't adjusted my voltages properly.

 

Sony disappointed me with 4650 Underclocked ...
Default mobility 4650 is 550/800 my is 450/600 its a BIG difference.

 

How big is there? It's still the same thing, just with lower clocks... I mean, even with the HD4650(the regular ones) and the HD4670, there's like max a 5-10% difference in actual real world performance.

 

I am getting a laptop soon and have found two graphics cards that I don't know which is better...

A) ATI Radeon Mobility HD 4650 1GB

OR

B) Nvidia GeForce 9800M GS 512MB

So which one is better?

 

9800M GS by far. Memory amount makes little difference on 128-bit mainstream cards (or less) such as in the HD 4650.

 

9800M GS. That can play Crysis on high - very high, whereas the 4650 can only manage medium - high.

Now if it was between the 9800M GS and the 4670, that would be a closer competition, but the 9800M GS is still better. In fact, the 9800M GS is probably only as little slower than the 4850 (laptop).

 

I wouldnt say so, i think the 4850 is quite a bit better then 9800GS personally. there is like 1500 3d mark difference(Though that doesnt mean much) But the 4850 has some pretty good benchmarks in game.


but for THIS particular face off the 9800 will win. What are you looking to play though?

 

I did say it was a little better. It's pretty much on par with a GTX 260M, which is probably 15 - 20% faster than the 9800M GS.

 

The truth is, in most gaming benchmarks the 4850 is on par with the GTX 280m..

 

I wonder how the 5870HD will perform...

 

Depending on the core/memory clock, it'll likely be at least on par with a desktop GTX 280. Keep in mind that the desktop 5870 is trading blows with the GTX 295 (two chips on one board).

The mobile revolution is upon us...

 

Really? Wow, that surprised me. So I guess that means that the Mobility Radeon HD 4870 is better than the GTX 280M? Or is it the same case as the 4650 and 4670 dilemna?

 

There are currently no notebook w/ GDDR5 4870s, so for now any notebook w/ 4870 GDDR3 will be equivalent to an OCed 4850 GDDR3.

 

Geforce 130M with 1GB ram
or Geforce 240M with 512MB ram?

 

The GT240M is better assuming it's GDDR3(but so far the only ones I've seen are GDDR3).

 

2 > 1
4 > 3
0 = 0

 

240m 10 char

 

And what does this mean? I know as a chipset it is better, i am asking about the memory effect assuming both are GDDR3

 

He's just being really really simplistic.
2>1 means the GT240M is of a newer series
4>3 means that in said series, it is of a higher rank
0=0 just means nothing since all Nvidia GPUs end with a 0

Basically, the amount of memory is more or less pointless in this case(and in many cases). the GT240M still surpasses the GT130M as wouldn't use that much memory 90% of the time.

 

It should be 40 vs 30 since nVidia CAN end in a non zero number such as G 105M and G 102M, etc.

 

Can I suggest this OP to be updated?
I noticed NVIDIA's GT100 and GT200 and GTX200 are not in.

 

awesome info page. I have just bought a HP Pavillion Dv7t with the ATI Radeon 4650 HD and before my purchase I was hearing half and half....some people said it was a very good card and others said that it was not a good card for gaming but I bought it anyways.

Its nice to see its in the top list. It can play Unreal Tournament 3 flawlessly with the graphics toned down a little bit ( I haven't tried it with the full on settings....I dummied them down before I even played my first match) so it must be a really good card. It runs a little hot, but its a laptop so everything is pretty cramped in there so it don't surprise me nor get too hot. It's definately top notch compared to the laptop I last had....it was a Dell with a Intel 950GM express chipset (ouch).

So, quick question : if I dummy down the settings for Call of Duty 4, could this card (ATI Radeon 4650 HD 1GB) play the game just fine? I'm thinking theres a good chance it will, but I wanna make sure.

 

what do you guys think of the nvidia gt 240m? good enough to play some games once in a while? i'm not one of those guys that only plays games on high settings, i'm pretty happy with medium, and if you must low, if that's what it takes to have 60 fps.

 

At idonnowhy: yes, the 4650HD is capable of playing COD4 on med settings and get a very good and playable FPS. Dont expect to max it out, though. I read of someone getting 150+ FPS with a V5700, which is the older an not as powerful 3650HD.

At kazuma: the GT240M with GDDR3 memory is quite powerful for a mainstream/performance GPU. To give an idea, take the 9600M GT, overclock it, and there you go, GT240M (note, this is a very rough idea). My point is that the GT240M is quite capable of playing some games, as long as they are not the latest at max res.

 

thanks for answering.

 

No problems.

If you have any other question, feel free to ask.

 

fantastic thread for a pc gaming noob like me, how good is the radion hd 4570 because thats the one i'm getting in the acer aspire 7735G-654g32mn. I have 4 gigs of ram although i can only see 3 as you put it because os is 32 bit not 64, and the processer is a C2D T6400?
Truly brilliant forum this i'm addicted.

 

The 4570 is just okay. You'll be gaming at medium-low settings.

 

It is a capable card, but a 4650HD is much better.

 

Hi guys first post here, read through a bunch of threads though... very helpful stuff.

I'm debating on buying two laptops, one equipped with a GT240M and the other with a 4650HD. I haven't seen much besides what was said above about the GT240M, so I'm wondering how much of a difference there is between the two.

Also, I don't know if it matters, but both laptops have the same amount of memory, but the one with the GT240 has DDR3 as opposed to DDR2 that the other one has. Will that even make a difference when playing games or doing anything else?

 

Gt 240 Gddr3 > 9600m Gt Gddr3 > Hd 4650 Ddr2.

 

Is there a specific laptop you would recommend with that card? I'd like to get your opinion.

Also, if the HD4650 has DDR3 RAM, would it then outperform the GT240?

 

I'm not 100% sure but I believe the HD 4650 GDDR3 would be slightly better overall than the GT 240M GDDR3. How much though, would depend on the game. If you're in the market for a laptop, I suggest filling out the FAQ in the "what notebook should I buy?" section since there are a lot of variables to take into account (ie. what is your budget, what are you using the notebook for, etc).

 

(new avatar sgogeta4, took me time to realize it was you...lol)

The 4650HD is almost on top of its performance range, but it is a great idea if you fill out the FAQ, since a GPU is not the only determining factor when buying a notebook. Budget, size, CPU, HDD, RAM, GPU, resolution, usages, battery, portability, there are tons of variants on the matter.

 

Thanks for the advice. I went ahead and filled out an FAQ at the link below if you wouldn't mind giving me some input.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=422756

 

Ofcouse the HD4870 would be better with how much?
Ive been waiting to buy the Alienware mx17 with its HD4870 DDR5 but recently ive seen an almost twice as cheaper laptop (asus G50VT) but with an 9800m gs in it, now my question is how much better would the HD4870 ddr5 be against an 9800m gs.
If the difference would be small i'd order and buy the Asus right away.

 

The difference between the HD4870 and 9800m GS is fairly large.

I do believe that you'd be able to flash the Asus to a GTS, which helps a little.

Of course, it's all about whether you think the substantially extra cost is worth it or not.

I'd also suggest taking a look at the G51Vx, the replacement to the G50, which has the more-powerful GTX260m.

 

correction.. underclocked GTX260M... if a 4870 GDDR3 can have a 260M for meat , a GGDR5 version will own it... better option to get M17x..

 

... for twice the price.

 

got one question for u.
is downclocked (450/600) hd4650 512ddr3 better or weaker then gt 230m ggdr3 - normally clocked.?

im deciding bewtween 2 laptops and i cant make up my mind.

vaio has t6600, 4gb ddr2 and ati
toshiba has t7450, 4gb ddr3 and nvidia.

so would i have more use out of better proc and memory then out of stronger video card?
laptop will be used mainly for gaming.
asking this all over the forum no1 is answering. just wanna buy the best laptop possible for my buck.

 

They're about the same (though it really depends on the game you're playing). In terms of gaming, you want the best GPU (over CPU and memory). Did you fill in the FAQ? Is it because of budget reasons you aren't considering a 256-bit card?

 

my budget is 950bux tops and im pretty much limited cause i have to order from amazon cause they r only ones that accept europen debit cards.dont have time for that transaction forwarding and what not. i did fill out faq several times cause my budget is changing all the time. but this is the final budget. i know, i red several times they are very close to each other but im interested if the fact that hd4650 is downclocked affects its performance.

sorry for my bad english.

 

It'll affect the performance yes, perhaps to put on a closer level to the GT230M but it should still beat it by a small margin.

Both of these are of similar caliber and if a game can't run on one, it won't run on the other either so the performance of these 2 GPUs shouldn't be the deal breaker IMO. Look at form factor, port selection, screen and all that before looking at the GPUs because they should perform roughly the same depending on the game(some games favor ATI others favor Nvidia)

 

Each are 1GB versions. Thanks!