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    What CPU and GPU to match PS3 gaming experience?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Phil, Sep 3, 2008.

  1. jonhapimp

    jonhapimp Notebook Virtuoso

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    i don't think he made this thread for people to bash on the ps3 and/or pc. so can y'all please keep it on topic
     
  2. narsnail

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    holy sh!t man, chill out, if anything your the troll, anytime someone says something bad about the glorious PS3, your there to apparently "prove them wrong".
     
  3. st0nedpenguin

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    By who? Sony? It looks freaking terrible in places, mediocre in others.

    A boringass driving game, yet another Metal Gear game so I can continue the most retarded storyline and boring gameplay known to mankind, a mediocre FPS, Ninja Gaiden? lol, A 1080p version of crappy old Wipeout that has the longest epilepsy warning known to mankind, a mediocre TPS, a side scrolling platformer, GT5P which is basically a demo of the next in the most bland driving series ever made, Naruto?!?! Hahahahahaha, and a selection of lame JRPGs.

    Excuse me while I don't rush out and buy a PS3 for that dire list of exclusives.

    Define FPS problems?

    I'd consider running with reduced texture detail, AA, resolution or framerate than the same game on the supposedly inferior hardware platform 360 a problem, personally. A problem that affects around 90% of all multiplatform titles.

    Sony didn't brag about the PS3? lol? Are we forgetting the famous Ken Katuragi "PS3 will run games at 120fps" announcement, along with his other 5 million hilarious PS3 claims? Oh man if I could just find the list, he makes it sound like the second coming of christ.

    I could walk into a store today and pick up a PS3, there's just no real reason to.
     
  4. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    No, trolls are the ones who lie and need attention.
    Learn what it actually means : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

    As noted, Magnus72 made a post with several lies and blunt bashing - thus HE's the troll you Canadian.

    If you want to accuse me, then I'm guilty of feeding the troll.

    Also, I don't care if anyone says anything about PS3, it's their opinion. But if you come to push your lies into facts then yes, I'm interfering with it.
     
  5. narsnail

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    usually the attention seekers dont know they are attentions seekers, attention seeker.

    I also dont see what Canadian has to with this, if it was a attempt at humor you failed miserably.

    If you mean feed the troll, I guess your eating yourself, which could be hard. Pizza the Hut did it in space balls, but your not pizza? I dont think it will work, you might perish in the attempt. I suggest you stop feeding yourself.
     
  6. Levenly

    Levenly Grappling Deity

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    sounds to me you're a sony-fanboy.


    i'm assuming you mean console gaming. that "graphic demo", Crysis, was released the end of 2007, and it's graphics are much greater in detail than the majority games that came out this year, and possibly (and most likely) next.
     
  7. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    Most agressive offroad racing games to date. Boring? Just your opinion because you've never even seen it.

    And for some reason it's stated as the best game to date, earning over 30 perfect scores from professional reviewers and having 94/100 of average Metacritic.

    Next time you wanna bash something, bash something what really is bad, not something what is excellet.

    Medicore you say? I'm willing to bet my laptop that you've never played any Resistance game and never even bothered to check out the reviews.
    Everyone agrees it's unique and really really well done.

    Yes, a Ninja Gaiden. Which came out earlier than Xbox360 version of Ninja Gaiden 2 but still was superior by all means. Check the reviews if you have doubts.

    That "Crappy Old" WipeOut is the most known futuristic racing games, and crappy? Not really - this game also scored perfect scores and near perfect scores by most of the reviewers. Not to mention it's a PSN title.

    If it's your opinion then go suck on it. :eek:

    A demo? What kind of a demo has more than 70 cars, 16-man online racing, constant updates, 12 tracks and stunning visuals? None.
    Also, it's a prologue - go google it up what it means.

    And it's a SIMULATOR, it's not your everyday NeedForSpeed. If you don't know the diffrence between a simulator and a arcade then this explains quite much.

    Lame selection? Rather small selection. And those what are released have all above mediocre score, so they are definetly not lame.


    Oh and now you're sucking out "facts" out of thin air again? Well, if 3-4 multiplatformers are 90% for you then you have some math problems.

    Nobody said Sony didn't brag. But you don't really remember how Xbox360 was hyped for it's amazing selection of games at launch?

    That's what they all say.
    But in reality you're counting down the days til your next paycheck.

    Also with this you just proved you don't have a PS3, so all your opinions are rejected. :D
     
  8. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    Magnus72 has trolled before about PS3 and he will most likely do it again. Too bad this place is flooded with Xbots who have never most likely even seen the PS3 yet bash it like theres no tomorrow.

    There was no humour about my statement. The only thing what is humouring me how all you Xbots are tryng to defend Magnus72 lies.

    Nope, by meaning feeding the troll I meant replyng to Magnus72 post and now that other sucker who basically blew his cover by sayng he doesn't have a PS3 but everything is mediocre even though all the reviewers disagree. ;)
     
  9. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    Nobody asked your opinion. In reality I'm just defending the PS3 at the moment, because this place seems to be filled with dumb Xbots who lie..quite alot.
    And as soon as somebody defends the PS3, he's automatically referred as "fanboy" for stating the truth.

    I wish you people would read the news sometimes.
    http://www.qj.net/Expert-analyst-on-Killzone-2-graphics-Undisputed-Winner/pg/49/aid/126250


    God - a triple post to reply ya'll. Wish people would shut up instead of posting lies so everything would be so much easier. -_-
     
  10. Levenly

    Levenly Grappling Deity

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    truth be told; the wise one is a ps3-fanboy. he has all the symptoms: arrogance, hatred for anyone who defies him or the ps3, and some self righteousness that ultimately shines his inner-fanboyness.

    you sir should take a chill pill.

    maybe you should read. the article is describing next gen consoles.

    we're talking next gen consoles.

    IE, the graphics aren't anything new; the rendering is just better. it's talking about the PS3 hardware's handling of graphics. this isn't compared to PC's...

    maybe people wouldn't post back if you posted real facts other than just fanboyism. this thread needs to be closed...
     
  11. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    Aaand you don't know much about consoles, do you?
    These "next-gen" consoles are Xbox360, Nintendo Wii and PlayStation 3.

    PC gaming of course could handle everything better, you just need more expensive hardware too. Nobody has denied that PC gaming visuals are better. =.=


    And please .. if this was a normal discussion about Playstation 3 it wouldnt have to be this way. If people lie THIS bluntly and the thread remains open then why not to prove the Xbots to be wrong. (Even though I'm sure they know that what they posted is BS, they just hate the PS3, simple as that)
     
  12. Mormegil83

    Mormegil83 I Love Lamp.

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    WOW


    Thats what i gotta say... this is better than Young and the Wrestless!!! LOL
     
  13. Levenly

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    Heres what I said:

    Heres what you rebuttled:
    And then I pointed out your article described next-gen consoles not all games like you implied (if you didn't imply it, why would you come back with that post after i said PC games hold greater graphics?)

    and then, heres what you said after i pointed the next-gen thing out, which i'm sure you were unaware of (because you seemed to link PC gaming graphics with console gaming graphics):
    i simply pointed out to you that KZ2 isn't the most graphical intense game ever, as you seem to put it. you were all hyped up about revealing everyone's "lies" that you got caught up in a few yourself.
     
  14. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    Well the talk wasn't about PC gaming visuals, nor PC games at all. And you came in calling me a Sony fanboy right after I proved an Xbot to be wrong so perhaps that is why you thought I meant PC gaming aswell.

    And it is most intense, on consoles. (We'll see proof in our own homes in two months now..)
     
  15. Mormegil83

    Mormegil83 I Love Lamp.

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    I'm pretty sure magnus was being sarcastic to start with LOL and it set this whole thing off that became bigger than the thread itself. This has been a dead thread for months who really cares!!!
    (other than the fact that i am more than entertained by reading it!)
     
  16. Levenly

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    tell me i've made a mistake- the title of the thread is "What CPU and GPU [...] PS3 [...]", correct?

    don't those two acronyms indicate we're discussing PS3 graphics on the PC?

    now you want to get into semantics. ok let's start.

    i called you a sony fanboy after your rant. i then commented on the fact that you said,
    meaning it is the most visually appealing game created thus far (in reference to what you said).

    generation doesn't mean "next-gen consoles". it means of this era in gaming.

    saying the phrase, "no other game" refers to everything absolutely, not conditionally.
     
  17. Mormegil83

    Mormegil83 I Love Lamp.

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    Round 29Million!!! DING!!!
     
  18. Erokitsune

    Erokitsune Notebook Consultant

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    Does this apply to me? If so i'd like you to take a look at my gaming rig which costs 6x a ps3. And don't say im stupid because cost/performance it isnt worth it. Its a hobby, i enjoy it so for there it is worth it.

    Isn't how good a game is subjective? I dont find alot of popular games appealing to me at all. Just because someone doesnt agree with you that the ps3 has amazing games doesnt mean you have the right to attack anyone based on where they're from or their financial situations. You sir fit the profile of a Sony Fanboy.

    Anyways back on topic.

    I think a Q6600 with a 8800gt would be about what you're looking at, maybe a little higher compared to a ps3 hardware wise. I understand it isnt easy to compare the two CPU's but if you use the human factor. (people dont know how to write games for the ps3 as well as the cpu) then i'd say thats where it sits.

    Now if you want to go just pure hardware tech, i think the ps3 has the better technology (cpu) but fails in comparison to the newer gpus, as expected.
     
  19. Akuma

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    The thread was quite offtopic already when the PS3 bashing begun, so no, that is not an excuse for you.

    And if you'd really believe that I would mean that KZ is above all the PC gaming then you're just taking it too seriously. In the middle of PS3 bashing in these last few pages it was quite certain that the talk was about PS3 visuals and a little about it's rival console, not PC gaming.

    But, since we havent seen KZ2 yet, we shouldn't deny anything.

    EDIT : Erokitsune, no. The talk was with the previous guy. They bash a console/anything at all and sharing their opinions how everything is so mediocre and sucky while actually they havent even touched it.

    And yeah, if it's your opinion of a game that it sucks then that's it. But if you just bash about every highest rated exclusive game and then stating you've never played them isn't stating your opinion anymore - it's simply trolling.
     
  20. Mormegil83

    Mormegil83 I Love Lamp.

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    Alright Alright! that's enough! this is getting a little too ON topic for me!
     
  21. Templesa

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    While I don't care about most if not all of the things you said here since they are opinion and not fact, I do disagree highly with the Resistance comments- I doubt you've played either of them, and they were both fantastic games, while doing nothing over the top and "new", they did what they did incredibly well, as most games do after the first of a genre has come out, so I don't really find that a good argument.

    Also, by your standards, it makes me wonder what was so good on PC or Xbox that has never been done before and isn't "boring gameplay" or "retarded storyline"...
     
  22. Face_Jones

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    lol wow i never thought this would happen. I have an xbox and a ps3 and i actually bought the ps3 first at launch cause i expected it to blow the 360 out of the water but honestly, its not that great. Sure it has potential but that doesnt mean anything unless the potential is actually unleashed. I still love it and have hope but i pretty much nevr play it anymore and instead went out and bought a used xbox and my laptop. I work at a Gamestop and you never see people worried about getting a ps3 game or people lining up to buy the systems lol and i dont see why none of the new ones are backwards compatible, if they are gonna release some way to update them to make them they really need to step up on it. Also, idk about in Japan or PSN exclusive games, but the PS3 has about the same amount of games out in stores as the wii, and thats not saying much..............Believe me i hope it starts picking up, but right now its definitely dead behind the xbox. And about the real topic at hand, i have a laptop with a 8600m GT and a decent processor and i can get similar graphics on that as i can on the ps3, my ps3 can probably squeeze out a little better but i havent optimized my drivers or anything really, its a pretty new laptop, and im sure the desktop 8600GT would match the ps3. Same goes for the 360 tho also.
     
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    O and the guy was obviously being sarcastic when he said the GMA 950 would blow the ps3 out of the water, any moron can tell that's obviously not true. lol
     
  24. narsnail

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    not every moron apparently....funny thing is i own a PS3 aha
     
  25. ryzeki

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    On topic: Any medium range Core 2 Duo (2.6+ GHz) or quad (2.4+ Ghz) and a medium card 100ish dlrs like 8800 class or 4830+ cards will give you an excelent performance.

    Off topic with all the PS3 bashing... I have an Xbox360, a PS3 and a Gaming capable computer. I gotta say I indeed have spotted several anti-PS3 comments all around and its quite common to say the least: PS3 launched in a very unsatisfactory way. Even last year, I would havea hard time recommending a PS3 over an Xbox360 or PC.

    However, things have changed. A lot. Today PS3 is rightfuly one of the best available consoles, with great exclusives, amazing multiplatforms, excellent hardware reliability, much improved dashboard and capabilities etc. It now has, not only good, but many games available. Great, working, free online. Excellent multimedia capabilities. Very easy-upgradable hard disk.

    I am not exactly a PS3 fanboy, as I also defend PC gaming, specially from the typical "it costs 2k dlrs to make a worthwhile computer lololo" etc. I have even defended Xbox360 quite a lot but I gotta say it is the Xbox has has let me down, several times, to borderline start to hate it. I didn't even believe the hardware issues because mine worked for over a year without a problem but after that, not only once, nor twice but three times alread I have suffered hardware problems (its currently getting repaired, after calling 2 weeks daily for the service). And not only me, but my usual friend group as well has had problems, making our online gaming with xbox basically over. Out of the games available, all multiplatform games available on PC and Xbox360, I get them on PC. This severely cuts off the "must" haves of Xbox to a point that I don't even care about it anymore. The rest of the games are the ps3 exclusives etc. I gotta say I even enjoy the XBLA games more than the actual Xbox games.

    Anyways, discussing PS3 vs anything will always become a senseless war, full of missinformation everywhere and the usual bashing. Hell, even this years Game of the Year awards, PS3 had a very strong showing. Of course it is common to see people defend it. This is not exclusive of PS3, but also for Xbox, Wii, and PC.

    So people, chill and enjoy the games. PC is indeed undisputed gaming prowress king, and the consoles are still a great alternative to PC. All platforms have a great selection of games available so no reason to keep dissing out the competition just to "defend" your purchase.

    Oh, btw, on behalf of Killzone 2, it indeed looks stunning. It is, for me, quite possibly one of the best games I have seen in a long while. And textures do not make the game "better" looking automatically, it is the atmosphere with all the effects going... great animation and overall art direction that really sets it appart vs other games. I consider it a technical achievement bcause it just has this immersive feeling to it that simply captured me.
     
  26. Magnus72

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    Well I did definitely spice this thread up, just a few hours ago and already 3 more pages :)

    Liar and liar, I bought the 360 and then when PS3 hit the streets I saw no need to buy it since graphically it wasn´t that superior that Sony wanted us to believe. Not to talk about all the framerate issues the console had at first.

    Hand in hand the 360 is stronger hardware wise and then I specifically mean the GPU that is the heart of each console.

    However I rarely play on any console actually. I have used PC´s for gaming for a very long time ever since C64, Amiga, Atari ST and all the way up to PC where I am now. If I was poor then I wouldn´t have an M1730 nor any gaming rig at all.

    Oh and I do not like fan boys. Just because I joked a little the fanboy snapped right away. You did take that seriously, no doubt about that ;)
     
  27. Rorschach

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    Well I just recently stepped back into the console world, after buying a new 42" lcd tv. I purchased a xbox 360, after a few days looking for a jasper model. I went with the cheapest arcade model because it was so cheap and target had a 30$ gift card to go with it. Right away, the rgb cables made it look like crap on my tv. So I went back and bought a vga/audio cable for it. The difference is night and day and even more so when I use my computer monitor. Playing some of my favorite games like the armored core series has really shown just how much a console is a bang for your buck product.

    I'm sure I'll purchase another high end gaming laptop in a few months, but for now since I'm not doing much traveling during the holidays, the console was definitely a good investment. I've owned two ps3 before this xbox 360 and the blu ray player and built in wifi are really nice things to have, but if you don't watch blu ray's and you have a internet cable to connect your system to why pay for something you don't need. I'm really not even sure what the big fuss is about blu rays because I just download my movies. I will say one thing though and that is, the ps3 seemed quite a bit quieter than the xbox 360, but once I get a hdd I've been told the noise level becomes very comparable.
     
  28. Erokitsune

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    the 360 is always loud. atleast to me its loud. I personally dont own a ps3 but i can definately say the 360 is louder then my computers.
     
  29. st0nedpenguin

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    In the interest of not spending christ knows how long arguing about personal opinion regarding the exclusives you mentioned...

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-16-article

    Check out the past articles too and see who's pulling figures out of thin air, there's sure as hell more than 3-4 poor PS3 multiplatform releases there.

    Nobody said Sony didn't brag? What? YOU said Sony didn't brag.

    Why on earth would I buy a PS3? I get the better versions of multiplatform releases for the PC and 360, and I have no interest in any of the PS3 exclusives. The fact you assume everyone is pretending to not be interested in the PS3 because they don't have one is the number one sign of your clueless fanboyism.

    PS: Not owning a PS3 =/= never played on a PS3, some of us have friends.

    Oh I see, so while calling everyone else liars, your sole evidence to support this BEST GRAPHICS EVAR LOL claim is a quote from a mystery "expert analyst" on a website nobody has ever heard of?

    Oh dear.
     
  30. Erokitsune

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    its on the internet, it must be true :rolleyes:
     
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    XPS>PS3>Xbox 360
     
  32. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    where did the troll go? i miss his crazy crazy rebuttals of everyone! lets see if i can bring him back.

    the xbox is better than the playstation 3 for these three reasons:

    1. better game performance:

    just look at the orange box. great port of a classic pc game to the xbox. horrible results on the ps3.

    2. all your college friends have xbox's and you can play with them:

    this is just obvious. its just the way it is.

    3. for a similar package (next gen gaming machine) the xbox is at least as good or better for the above reasons, and costs only half as much as a ps3.

    and now we play the waiting game...

    and wait, now that im on a role, why stop there.

    SONY IS NOT PERFECT. their most recent hit was the ps2, and it may have been the best all around console of all time. maybe. sure. but...

    sony rootkit

    sony cuts 8000 jobs this month

    i have like 100 more interesting links
     
  33. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    You don't know what a troll is unless you meant Magnus72.

    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

    Basically Magnus72 came in posting BS about Playstation 3, knowing it would start flaming in this thread.
    Without his post(s) it would be most likely a clean discussion about the real topic.

    You claim that Xbox360 has better game performance and all you can do is say one game name? And no, the Xbox version wasn't a great port either, it didn't suffer the frame rate problem but it suffererd at texture pop-ins and random slowdowns (not fps drops).

    Actually everyone I know who plays with consoles has them both, but 1/4th of them have constantly hardware problems with the X360. :rolleyes:
    My Xbox is still alive (it's a miracle..) but I don't play with it much because there are no playable games except Fable 2, Forza 2 and Lost Odyssey.

    Xbox360 supports a dead HD player format, has a Live fee, has no intergrated WiFi, has smaller harddrives (20GB, 60GB and 120GB versus 80GB and 160GB on PS3), has hardware problems (infamous RRoD).

    So no it's not better, it's good but not better.

    I know they are not perfect, nobody claimed that. Not even the PS3 is perfect. And PS2 wasn't the best console overall, because it had DRE problems and Slim versions had problems with overheating.

    And these things are related to the thread or this console bashing .. how? :eek:
    I can Google up too some random /bad/ news for Microsoft, but if they are 4 years old (like your first link) then nobody would even bother checking out the next link.

    Though I'm kinda dissapointed, that a Xbox fan like you didn't even try to bash seriously. -_-
     
  34. Akuma

    Akuma Notebook Evangelist

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    Opinions are opinions. Facts are facts. But if you try to push your opinions into facts then that is arguable.

    And only 3-4 suffered from fps problem. Most of the eurogamer face-offs prove only that Xbox is doing what it's capable of : adding 2x AA to some games and using it's shared memory to have a sligtly larger resolution.
    These links have been in every console vs console thread I've ever been.

    Read my posts more carefully. Sony didn't brag as much as Microsoft did when Xbox360 launched. Or you really don't remember 2005?

    Multiplatform games are on multiple consoles, exclusives stay exclusive. Most of the X360 "exclusives" are on PC aswell, Playstation games are not. Simple as that.
    The way that you failed bashing Playstation 3 highest rated games shows that you are the clueless around here. You dont like PS3 at all, alright just say it. But just to lie that everything is mediocre when you actually havent played them is just the way of showing how immature you are.

    Well, I doubt that your friends have any of the games I mentioned earlier then. :rolleyes:
    Because some of them are unique, meaning no other game compares with them so sayng it's mediocre .. compared to what? Nothing, yet the game ranks high on metacritic.

    If you would actually take your time to check the link again, you would see that they were only talking about the news.
    And that portal is one of the largest and well known blogs around the world. It's not as famous as Gizmodo or Endagadget, but it's quite close.

    Also, that news about KZ2 was talked about in every major gaming site and blog, next time use Google please : http://www.google.ee/search?hl=et&q=killzone+2+undisputed+winner&lr=
     
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    That is the stupidest thing I've heard today lol My laptop produces superior graphics to both PS3 and XBOX 360. I have both, in the graphics department, the 8800M GTX owns them both, and there is one laptop video card and several desktop video cards better than the 8800M GTX.
     
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    PC 4 lyfe yo :cool:
     
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    All I'm posting here are opinions, IN MY OPINION the PS3 has a crappy selection of exclusives, therefore I haven't bought one, surely the concept can't be that difficult to grasp? It doesn't mean I'm poor or misguided, I simply don't want one.

    Sony didn't brag as much as Microsoft? According to Sony the PS3 would be a supercomputer comparable to the second coming of christ. We're still waiting on the delivery of said claims however.

    The fact that I "bashed" the PS3 exclusives doesn't mean I'm clueless, it means that I just didn't enjoy the games, once again it ain't rocket science.

    The Google search you linked just shows a pile of results referring to the mystery "expert". :rolleyes:
     
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    I think all this talk about hating ps3, pc's the best, and so on are just self-comforting effort for not having ps3 itself.
     
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    Well said, I can't stand little fan boys.
     
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    It is a supercomputer .. almost. It's processor CELL is used in many scientific projects what require heavy computing.

    http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/22258.wss
    Even the worlds fastest computer uses CELL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner

    Read all about it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)

    In Playstation 3, the CELL can allow developers to create much more detailed worlds, smarter AI's and better physics than any other console on the market.
    That is what Sony meant by sayng it's the most powerful console yet.

    (Some other things to mention are one of the best Blu-Ray players on the market, because it supports Blu-Ray Live and online updates and it's a full mediacenter [supporting more media formats than Xbox360])

    Then why are you practically the only one who didn't enjoy one of the top games in some genres? Actually.. don't answer that, I'm tired of your lame excuses. =_=

    And Google referred to many links of talking about the same news, if it would've been hoax then it wouldnt been posted on every major news site.
    And if you were to click on some links, you would already know who the expert is as he's mentioned. :)
     
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    yes because we are all jealous of people who have ps3's :( I wish i could afford one. Then again i wish i could afford socks. :p

    My comparison chart. (based on technical aspects and not opinions)

    ..............................PS3...............................................PC

    CPU:........3.2 GHz Cell Broadband Engine.....................OCed Q6600

    GPU..........550mhz Nvidia GeForce 7800.....................600mhz 8800GT

    Overall price.............300USD...............(Including rest of computer)..650USD



    In the end i think of a console as a proprietary computer that is indeed great for what they were designed for...gaming.

    A console is a toy.
    A computer is a tool.
    Everything has its place of use. This kind of debate reminds me of the debates i have about my turbo flat 4 vs a NA V8 lol. I understand some of you might love the ps3...but honestly, dont get your panties in a bunch of some people dont like it. As for the comment about people who hate on the ps3 is so we can feel better about our pc purchases...doesnt that philosophy apply the other way around as well? You guys defend it to justify your purchase?

    I have an unbias opinion about the entire thing. There are titles on the ps3 i will probably eventually find myself buying it for. But at the moment i cant justify the cost of a ps3 for only a few titles. I much rather invest my 300 dollars towards something else...such as...my mortgage or towards an engagement ring/wedding.
     
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    No you are the troll and you are probably the most extreme fanboy I have ever met on a forum, your word is the law right? Everyone else is wrong?

    I want to see that supercomputer and see exactly what they have promised with it, hasn´t happened yet. Yet again it´s all Sony´s lies. To them it sounds like the PS3 is the fastest console out there, yet the multiplatform games looks and plays better on the 360. GTA IV coming to mind that runs in lower res and without any AA on the PS3 while it runs at 720p and 2xAA on the 360.

    Now shouldn´t that supercomputer be able to run GTA IV at at least the same res?

    Like I said I have played on the PS3, I have a friend who review games he has every single console out there. When you have a 360 and bought it early there is no reason to get a PS3. Still if we are going to talk about hardware then the 360 GPU is better than the RSX of the PS3. That is PS3´s bottleneck.
     
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    Not defending anyone with this post! but umm the ps3's gpu is better hardware wise from my quick overview....i might have missed something but just from a quick glance.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_(graphics_chip) <~ xbox

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_'Reality_Synthesizer' <~~PS3
     
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    The only reason I'm defending the Playstation 3 here is because it seems that 90% of the bashers don't know nothing about the console and make things up, so I'm proving you wrong and you people see me automatically as a fanboy while I see the liars as trolls.

    And Magnus72, did you know that multiplatform games have a thing called "lead-platform" meaning the game will be developed first on one console and then it will be ported to the other(s).
    In most cases the lead platform is Xbox360, because it's easier to develop because it's arhitecture is very similar to computers.

    And their GPU's are practically the same, the only thing what is bottlenecking the PS3 is memory. While Xbox360 can use 512mb of the ram freely, then PS3 has the ram dedicated - meaning 256mb for the CPU and 256 for the GPU.
    This is what causes some random fps drops in some multiplatform games - but the ones what were developed first on PS3 (Like Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry 4 and such) have no problems at all.

    Now if you were to play some Playstation 3 exclusive games you would notice the power of CELL, because in most of action games the AI is smart. Like Resistance 2, it's AI was highly praised in many reviewes.
     
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    Well, in the comments it's explained.

    "The Cell architecture in the PS3 is designed for a very specific purpose, and that’s one reason there’s no Altivec. The PS software is written (one would hope) to maximise the multiple vector processors in the Cell."

    "Run some heavy benchmarks that have been optimized to take advantage of the SPEs, and you will find that the G5 you reference will be out done 6 - 8x by the PS3.

    Your comparison is just about as crazy as it would be to compare the picture quality on a 1080P HDTV to that of a ten year old SD TV when an SD signal is run into both of them (pretty pointless). But, you could conclude that the old SD TV looks better."




    And the way universitys, scietific labs and such use hundreds of Cell's for computing means it's quite powerful. And let us not forget folding@home either. ;)
     
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    And how many supercomputers have already been build using PowerPC tech? It also messily sidesteps the fact that again, Sony made promises they failed to deliver on, just like Microsoft.

    What excuses? For the eleventy billionth time, I simply didn't enjoy the games.

    RSX has access to system memory, the issue is that Xenos has the daughter die eDRAM allowing for essentially free AA/Z buffering, and a much higher achievable memory bandwidth rather than the hinkey theoretical bandwidth of RSX. Not to mention the fact that Xenos was the first commercially available unified shader GPU.

    The 360 has the more powerful GPU, and that's a fact.
     
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    What that doesn't mention is that Cell is optimized for ridiculously fast floating point operation, it's nowhere near as powerful when it comes to general purpose processing, which is why it's great for folding and other distributed computing tasks, and not far and away more powerful than Xenon when it comes to gaming, as Sony would have you believe going on raw specs alone.
     
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    Why does it matter? The only thing what matters that best of the best is using Cell cpu's. That was my point.


    What a nice copypasta .. from a Xbox360 owner blog. :rolleyes:
    http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?publicUserId=5799836&bId=7967278

    Here's a bowl of it to you too.

    In direct comparison of the Xenos and RSX, the Xenos is better by itself, though the RSX doesn't work alone as the Xenos does. The RSX works in unison with the Cell Processor, pooling RAM and tons of extra processing power from the Cell, so of course when the cell processor is put into the equation, the RSX becomes much more powerful, as it relies on the power of the Cell's 8 SPE's and PPE. And if you compare the Xenos+Xenon and the Cell+RSX, the Cell+RSX has roughly twice the raw power.
     
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    oh if you just look at the numbers it kills the g5 in some areas. but others it gets dominated as well.

    I was just trying to show that it does perform well for what its designed for. Doesnt mean its the most amazing thing ever though. Let me put it this way. If it was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo amazing. It wouldnt be 300 dollars :laugh:
     
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