Will ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M play...

Thanks for Responding Mikethm. Sorry couldnt reply in time ...was bedridden for last 4 days. anyways thanks again.
Talking about the laptop

Forget the gaming... lets talk about the screen resolution first. Is it really the fault of XGA Monitor that we can not get the resolution higher than 1024*768 or the driver's. I don't want to run games but i do want to have higher resolution for my work.Or else even 14 Inch monitor would have been better. I bought the bulkier lappie coz i thought with big screen size i can have higher resolutions, as is the usual case.

The RAM and Harddisk can not be changed here since it will lead to warranty getting void. Don't know how to go around this.

Thinking of the pricing and product M2502AU is nothing but M2512AU here in india and in Malaysia. but pricing sure is 25% high here
I always thought ACER Aspire 3003 W(AMD) with its feature and price was a better laptop than any one in this category but it has been discontinued in india after they introduced Turion based laps.

 

hows my baby doing? wow nice views and posts. i still havent purchased my laptop. so this is still gravy

 

Yes, it is due to the XGA monitor. Nothing we can do about it unless you are willing to work with an external monitor plugged in.

RAM and Harddisk cannot be changed? I don't think that is true unless HP have different policies for different regions. I called up HP telephone support here in Singapore and was told it is ok for me to upgrade myself without voiding the warranty.

And while you were away, I installed and completed Call of Duty.

 

I've got the 200m with 64mb dedicated and 64mb system memory. Does anyone know whether it will play Black and White 2 as I have heard that it is pretty graphic intensive.

Many thanks.

Bernie

 

I doubt it very, very much. Its a very graphic intensive game, even people with good desktop cards will struggle. One to avoid for the 200m I'm afraid

 

Is there any decent 3D games that will work on the ATI X200M? Also, is there any of them at a low price?

 

You should do a thread search before you post. Your thread has been merged into this one.

 

OK. Thanks for your help!

 

Well Half Life 2 should play fine on your notebook. As well as older games. I think you can play Doom 3 too.

Charlie

 

alright, you know what, there are friggin 47 posts and I've read the first 18 pages of it. straight through - I kept looking at the little pagenumber thingy at the bottom of the page and it just.. it just kept going, it was like a more scary version of Doom 3, I fell asleep at 15 though.

ANYWAY. I'm buying a laptop, and I want to be able to play things like FEAR. (I won't buy the game because I'm determined it sucks.) Can 128MB ATI Radeon Xpress 200M IGP, with 512 DDR RAM, work that game? (And doom3) I know the question's been asked alot, but you also get bickering. Sometimes.
People have me scared enough to post...

 

The X200M is not a GPU for gaming . . your best bet would be to go for a system with a dedicated 3D accelerator card. However, you probably know this. FEAR will be, judging by how graphically intense the game is, unplayable on an X200M, even moreso with 512MB of RAM. I would recommend at least 1GB, 1.5 or 2 would be best. You might want to consider completing our FAQ in the What Should I Buy forum so we can help you a bit more.

 

here's a good question how the frig would one go about starting a 'new thread' because I gotta tell ya I can't find any hints, I can't find any links, nothing. How do you start a new thread so I CAN complete the FAQ?

Well, there you have it, though. A good question.

 

I've said this about a million times already but the x200 is useless for two reasons:

1)Its crap at new games, but that's to be expected naturally as its an integrated card. However, on paper, its very good for an integrated card, and in reality, I was able to get it running Battlefield 2 on low settings smoothly to be fair. But generally speaking it will not run anything new on anything other then low settings, if at all. I doubt it will run FEAR at a playable level.

2)Its crap at older games. Why? It has shoddy OpenGL support. I, and several others using the card (the totally shared version, to inform), could not get past about 20 frames a second on games that are six years old on the lowest settings, which is atrocious even for an integrated card of any brand, let alone ATI. I've browsed the web extensively trying to find a solution to this problem, there is none, but its a very common problem across the board.

Basically, to sum all that up, you can play new games at really low settings, you can play older Direct3D games no problem, and you will not be able to play ANY OpenGL games at an acceptable level, regardless of age....

If this were a review, I would give the Xpress 200 Shared version 2/10 for its terrible openGL support.

I hear the dedicated version does NOT have this problem though, so perhaps the dedicated one might offer an acceptable solution for older gaming.

 

I am using X200 myself. Yes OpenGL support is terrible , although it support allthe command and hooks. If you're running DirectX Games , it should do fine on Low-Medium settings. REmember , dont allow it to take fully 128MB of RAM [if you're taking fully shared version] , set it to 64MB or 32MB. F.E.A.R runs fine on Low settings..Pretty low , you can't really enjoy the whole thingy ..You will miss all the eye-candy stuff..But again it 'lags' here and there on the game. Of course I am using this on A Sempron with 512MB of RAM...Game such as GTA:SA works fine on Low settings , so does Half-Life 2 [on 800x600 medium]. Older games such as Syberia [It looks pretty neat on the graphics with High Settings an AA turned on] , GTA III , Midtown Madness , Warcraft III

 

Hey guys.

Chaz can you answer this question if possible..

Can my laptop (x200M, 1.2GBs (DDR2 533hz pc4200) RAM) play Need For Speed Most Wanted?? Im guessing that it can but at what settings to average out at 25-30fps..?

Cheers..

 

Pretty **** low. I was looking at benchmarks for the x200m, and they said that it was the only integrated solution that could even play the game properly - but on low settings with framerates between 25-35.

That said, I might be thinking of NFS:UG 2.....

 

You'll have a tough time playing a racing game with sub-30FPS in my opinion. Considering that NFS:MW is demanding, I would say that it is not worth it to buy the game if you have the X200M.

 

I just though I'd answer the original question of "Will ATI Radeon Express 200M play Oblivion?" Oblivion will run on my dedicated 200M. Obviously with all of the sweet graphic options turned on, the computer spat out less than 1 fps.

With everything turned down, though, it ran beautifully at 30 fps. The experience was enough to make me want to buy the game. So I did. I can play it like any other game, and I haven't even (successfully) installed any Omega/Catalyst drivers. I just hope some users can be a bit less closed-minded about the dedicated 200M.

It certainly isn't on par with x1900 GTXs. But it is necessary for me to post the fact that this less expensive GPU can play the same current high end games.

 

hey i am new to the forum but i will say this thread was a huge help, I recently bought a v2552 for $600 US and i will say i am happy with this pc and since i am not a hardcore gamer it satisfies but i was curious so i came here but i will say i had recently bought command and conquer the first decade and found that it plays command and conquer zero hour on the highest possible settings resolution quality's all that nifty stuff i don't know what fps it was but it had no problem not once not with fifty things on the screen and i have been playing command and conquer renegade at the highest possible settings as well i don't know how graphical intensive that is but it also has no problems ever not even when a nuclear bomb is going off and when i am getting shot at all around but i have never been a pc gamer besides rts's so my question is will this push warhammer. My little brother has it and i would like to be able to play him. can anyone answer please?

 

If you're talking about Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War, then the answer is yes, it runs it fine. I was playing it on the train to uni on my mates Compaq v2627AU.

 

Zero Hour, Renegade and even Dawn of War are not graphically intensive at all and all three will run on a 32mb card. Great games though...

 

that's awesome thanks for answering my question do you think it will be able to play c&c3?

 

The new Tiberian Sun game? Without a doubt, the x200 will not be able to play it...

 

i have an hp dv5000 notebook with the radeon xpress 200m 128mb igp and I can play the following games very smoothly with all the eye candy on with the exception of AA: Doom3, Half-Life 2, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 2, FEAR, Quake 4, and Medal of Honor... Also work with all current classic emulators... So all of you guys who are saying that this card can't run certain games, you need to do a little more homework and actually find out the truth before you speak...

My laptop specs:
Hp DV5035nr
AMD Turion 64 ML-40
1024 MB DDR-400
Ati Radeon Xpress 200m 128 onboard + 128 Shared (Omega Drivers)
Windows XP Media Center Edition

 

Yeah, right. The x200 can barely run Bf2 above 800x600 with options on low, dozens of benchmarks will prove that, are we supposed to believe you're running Bf2, Quake IV, and FEAR??! on high settings with eye candy on with a crappy x200 card?

I see a few possible explantions:

1) You consider 1 frame a second smooth.
2) You have an xpress 200 mobo and not the actual integrated card.
3) You are just lying.

Personally I think its option 3.

 

that's what i was saying, don't take advice from all these so-called techs... They only get their information from benchmarks on the internet without actually investigating the issues on their own. I have an ATI Radeon XPRESS 200m on my laptop (hp dv5035nr). I play games on it everyday and I have no problems whatsoever... Here is a complete list of every game I've personally tested with the xpress 200m: Half-life 2, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 2, Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault, Doom 3, Quake 4, FEAR, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, NFS Most Wanted, Prince of Persia Warrior Within, Unreal Tournament 2004... All these games played very smoothly with 800x600 res. and some played acceptably good with 1024x768... So before you listen to these fools with false info seek out someone who has done hands on testing with the hardware...

 

Right, I found this post about three days after purchasing my Packard Bell A64 W series.

It has 1GB of DDR ram running at 333, its an A64 1.8ghz. The GPU is an ATI Radeon Mobility Xpress 200M (128MB shared).

I have heard a lot of people on here post a lot of rubish about this GPU not being able to handle dx 9 or new games, and I have read the whole discussion, every single reply. From what I can see either the people who are cursing this chip either haven't got a notebook with one in, they have a higher spec and are looking down their nose at people because they paid a few hundred quid more for their lappy, or you just have no clue and have not set up your laptop correctly.

The X200M is easily better than a Ti4200, I should know, I have a spare desktop that I use as a server with one in.

I can run MMPOG's such as SWG on full everything @ 1024 x 768 res. It is running not a great deal behined my xp2800 with agb ram and a 6800gt (although loading of areas takes a little longer!) It's ave high 20's to 30 fps on this, although dips to 15 when loading areas. Mr desktop runs at 60ish fps and dips again to 15 ish when loading areas but it picks up a bit quicker. I was playing FEAR last night on 800 x 600 with effects on medium, and most other settings on medium, and it is as smooth as silk! Admitadly the 6800gt blows it away in this area, but it is still nice to look at and play on the screen, the game is totally playable and still looks good. The only slow down is on 'some' of the graphic intense movie sequences. So for those who say the chip will not even run it, I think you need to get a reality check. Also DX 8 or whichever older version you install will not benefit you, I didn't beleive there would be any difference, but I tried it last night as an experiment, three different older versions and it ran worse. DX 9C is just fine for this chip.

I've also ran AVP2 (old game I know) on whatever resolution I like with everything on Max, which is great as this is one of my fav games.

Further more anyone who thinks a game is not playable under 30+ FPS is having a laugh, from around mid to high 20's to 30fps constant, you will NOT be able to tell the difference, even if you run two machines side by side. All DVD's run at 30fps, as well as most high end TV's display, so those people are effictively saying that DVD's are also **** and their big ass TV's are barely watchable lol! All FPS above 30 is good for is bragging or showing off, it's a number, not a great deal more. Of course there is the exception that if one machine runs 60fps normally then under more graphic intense situations it will be more stable and will not dip as much, but if your game runs at a nice 25+ then good for you, enjoy it!

All I needed to do, was to install the Omega catalyst drivers 6.4 (6.5 doesn't cut it on my system yet) and just tweek the ram timings, and when I say tweek I mean hardly any change. The FSB etc is all stock, and I'm happy with the performance this machine puts out, I can play all my favorite games on it at a decent level.

I'm so adamant to convince you that this chip 'can' play decent games well that I am actually going to record a vid of me running FEAR over the weekend, upload it and post it up.

For 670.00 english pounds this lappy cost me, I am more than happy. (17.5" crystal widescreen, intergrated stereo sound with built in subwoofer, 80gb hard drive, decent CPU, good GPU, DVDRW, EAX sound, wireless, 6x usb, firewire, remote, etc etc) To even improve on this performance I would of had to of spent over 1000 pounds easily over here.

Cheers!

*edited because the boss kept comming over!!*

 

Electricjunkie you just totally contradicted yourself there. You firstly said you can run all those new games "with all eye candy on" and then said you run them at 800x600. I suggest getting your facts straight first.

Secondly, I DID have an Ati X200M in my laptop with a gig of ddr333 ram. And as I went to great lenghts to say, its a problem with OPENGL, not DirectX/3d Based games. All those games you described tehre steve-o ran as reasonably could be expected from that card on my X200 too - I never denied that, but the OpenGL support is abysmal, that is why I think the card is utter trash.

Steve-o, do you have the shared or dedicated version? Any chance you could try out an openGL game like Call of Duty (original) for us? As said, it was solely with OpenGL I was having the problems, but since all the games I had to play were OpenGL based, I simply had to return the laptop...

I encountered roughly 50 people online before I gave up on trying to find a solution that had the same OpenGL support problem - i.e games running in DirectX like BF2, FEAR, etc were playable, but even really old OpenGL games like Medal Of Honor (needs 16mb 3d card from 2001) were running at barely 20fps and really choopy regardless of on high or low settings, when they should easily be running maxed out at 50fps+!

 

Comon guys, argueing on the forum about what resolution you play a fake game on, get a life.

-Back on topic, BF2 will play on a x200m, of course the settings cant be high, but the game plays flawlessly on medium to low. My cousin has the x200m and he plays that game all the time.

 

Hi Havok,

I take on board what your saying, and I'll give it a go, I did note you were saying it was an OGL problem, I'll see what I can dig out over the weekend and give it a go. I did think AVP2 was an openGL but I could be wrong, I'll need to check.

My post was really aimed at the people who have come on here and just blatantly said without any investigation that games like FEAR, BF2 etc won't even run on the GPU.

I will say that the latest Omega drivers ran like a dog on my system, so I rolled it back and installed the previous version and it made a huge difference. I wasn't expecting a great deal from the gpu with the original drivers as the ATI ones are well over a year old now, it's the first thing I looked at updating. It was good to find the windows based mem utility since the bios is locked.

My proc says it is a X200M shared 128mb, I have the usual 896 mem allocation in the properties. One odd thing tho, is that when I run SWG it shows 384MB graphics memory in the settings, no idea why. Windows seems to have set the page file on my machine unusually high at 1gb also, at least half of this is usually being used.

I might go for a Ram upgrade and look at an overclocking tool that supports the x200 if I can find one, it would be nice to tweek the cpu slightly as well as the system ram timings just to make it that bit more efficient, but as mentioned I am happy with the performance it puts out for now.

To be honest, if anyone is a hardcore gaming enthusiast who has to have the best of everything, then you won't be happy with this, but then you probably won't be happy with anything. But if you like to play games at a bit over a ti4200 level on a lappy, then this will do you just fine. I am not sure why my machine has so much succes on SWG in comparison to my 6800gt, the engine and game is obviously a few years old now, perhaps even with the updates it doesn't utilise the latest tech is a possibility, but judging by this, if you love your MMPOG's then I think this will do the job just fine.

Cheers.

 

well i don't know if it will play c&c3 but i looked at halogen it's a halo mod on the C&C generals engine and it looks awesome. But i think it can play C&C3 i think i read somewhere that this the same engine they just did some tweaking .....

 

I read the article on present graphics cards and according to Pulp, the nVidia GeForce Go can rune Doom 3 "comfortably." In your opinion will the ATI Radeon Xpress 200m or nVidia GeForce Go 6150 able to play (at lowest settings) upcomming RTS games such as Supreme Commander (Gas Powered Games, Q1 07)? (However, I intend to get a notebook with the nVidia chipset over the ATI one)

I read the article on present graphics cards and according to Pulp, the nVidia GeForce Go can rune Doom 3 "comfortably." If neither is able to run Supreme Commander....my hopes of ever playing it is gone

 

anyone know how a 200M compares to a ati 8500

 

Doom 3 will play on the X200 on low settings. The 6150 should be able to do the same. The Geforce GO you've mentioned could be any of a dozen cards and does NOT include the 6150, so don't make the mistake of thinking the 6150 is whats being mentioned when it says can run Doom 3 comfortably.

Its possible either integrated card might be able to run Supreme Commander on low settings but if you're so desperate to be able to play games the x200 or 6150 just isn't good enough for some current games let alone games in the future...

On paper the x200 would be better then the 8500 I'd imagine, but I'd probably prefer an 8500 simply due to the poor openGL support in the x200. I've never used any of the 8xxx generation of Ati cards though, only the 7x and 9x series

 

I have been following this discussion since i ordered my pc (3 months ago) it took a while to get here but i finally have it, dv5000z

specs
2.0 turion(64 bit ready)
1 gig ram
80 gig h/d 5400
200 m 128 dedicated
I really dont believe in hear say so i am going to give this gpu a fair chance b4 i start cussing lol

Now i am trying to install half life 2, no luck some error message saying unable to read media keeps coming up, i know that cant be the gpu, must be a bad disc, but its new, any thoughts ????

Anyway i must say the machine runs sweet, and it will even be sweeter once i remove all the junk hp installed and do a fresh install 4 myself

But what about the drivers, ie bluetooth, ati, wireless etc, i am kinda concerned about this issue, the bastards at hp didnt send me any cd's

So what do i do ?????

 

the reason why i was asking because on gamespot.com they have a new part of the website where it will test if your comp can play the game before you buy it but on some of the games it says my comp can't because it is not up to an ati 8500 but i thought the 200m was more powerful .... like it says i can't play BF2 but people on here say they can play it.

 

Better off doing a forum search in the HP forum first, and then if you can't find any info, start a new thread there about the issue.

You should be able to play it if the game will run on an ATI 8500 . . . the newer CPU paired with the X200M will help too.

 

thanks chaz and havok i really appreciate all your help

 

For the record, I just tried FarCry a few minutes ago (CPU 3200+, 512Mb system RAM). At 1280x800 low details no filters, it runs as high as 110 fps inside and around 40-50 fps outside. Lows in the 30's with lots of action. That's pretty impressive. Most of all, it looks darn good.

CryEngine pwns.

C.

 

50 pages on Xpress 200m? lol

 

Not surprising, since it's the best integrated solution after the 1150. Surprisingly, the GMA950 thread is not nearly as beefy as this... which is odd, since it's the most common integrated chip. *shrugs*

C.

 

I'll try and upload the fear demo I've got later today when I'm back at home.

I've been playing the laptop every night since I've bought it and all weekend, it's run faultlessly. It handles the online games that I play really well, so much so I'm thinking of selling the normal PC.

I've not had chance to test out any other OGL games yet, but when I do I'll post up my findings.

 

steve-o,
where can I download Omega catalyst driver 6.4. I only saw v 6.5 and 6.3
Do you mind to explain what ram tweaking you have done??
My laptop is BenQ P41 (AMD Turion X2 TL-50 with X110 shared upto 256MB.
I read in other thread, some said that X1100 is basically the same as X200.

What is yr southbridge chip? Mine is ATI RS485MC

Iam looking for an updated vga driver for my system.
It came with Ati catalyst control center v 1.2.2278.38898, driver version 8.242.0.0 dd. 3/28/2006

 

guys,

i just ordered a fujitsu with AMD turion, 512 MB RAM and Ati express 200m (excellent built design and battery life). hey, i am not a gamer as you are, but i am gonna use it for some 3d works (just autocad 3d and, maybe, 3ds max, that's all) ... you guys, i have researched about this for quite long time, so this is serious question : will the lappy work fine for such 3d modelling ? (be objective, m'kay?! ) ...

thanks.

 

Counterstrike: CZ runs better on OpenGL than it does on D3D with this setup. I'm not sure if CZ is a good example of OpenGL though. It runs great, even online.

 

Will CS:S and or BF2 play on a ATI Mobility Radeon X300 64mb,I know it's a different card but I couldn't find a better thread to post this in.

 

Please look up the game requirements/minimum specifications and see.

 

Yeah, they will. BF2 though, probably at lowest settings, and even then I don't know if it'd be playable. I've seen BF2 running on a 64mb Fx5200 GO - it was unplayable at about 15fps on lowest settings. The x300 is better but how much better for BF2, probably not a whole lot.

CS:S should be playable on low settings no problems though.

 

Havok what are u ****tin about!? I have the x200M shared (3D Mark 05 score= 522) And i run Medal of Honour at MAX settings with 1024x768 res and it plays PERFECTLY! NO SLOW DOWN even during the most intensive gun fights out in the open!.

And Stevo-o.. I really want to get the Omega Drivers that will work as i installed the 6.7 version and my screen res kept resetting to 1024x768 every time i started my laptop up when the native res is 1200x800. So i had to reinstall my original drivers. Did u hear of this problem and would the 6.4 version work fine??