nVIDIA GeForce Hot Fix Driver v364.96 Findings & Fixes

I generally only look at FS graphic score and use Cinebench for general CPU score. I dont usually give these graphic test's physic score much credits. And I think for good reasons too.

 

If you have two psu. Yes. Then is 3Dmark11 fun. No fun with a baby Oc for bench of 3Dm11. + crippled Win X isn't fun with 11
I know the score you showed, but I showed the picture up because I wanted to show them gpu voltage used for +200/500 No reason to go under 400 mem.

 

Cinebench is an excellent CPU benchmark and I like it, too. However, 3DMark 11 is the toughest overall system benchmark because everything has to work just right or the score sucks, and it takes powerful CPU and GPU(s) to achieve good results. So, if the BIOS is borked by the OEM (looks at Alienware 18) and the CPU cannot run wild and free when the GPU(s) are loaded to bear an impressive benchmark result is out of reach. That's how it should be, but Fire Strike is a fluffy feel good test that only validates you have a nice GPU. The rest of the system can be a piece of trash.

 

Off topic: Maybe a BGA *** go over to socket hardware aka Clevo. I have done my job!!! http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-15-r2-display-issues.785370/#post-10241175
Lower sales of BGA machines are good news for everyone. I Know

 

I am guessing I'll have to wait for a driver verdict?

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Yeah you can attest to what I did with my 880Ms on a single PSU and 3DMark 11 lol.

I disabled turbo on the CPU and got fs to run:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2327316

But as soon as the combined test started in 11, the power supply overloaded and I thought I killed the PSU lol.

I'm certainly not going to be the guinea pig for 364 trash.

 

I would volunteer my gt740m but the GPU is already dead I had to disable it in bios so windows wont crash

 

I ain't game either at this rate.

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All of the 364 branch has been an unmitigated disaster so I'll probably wait for two more branches before I will risk upgrading again.

 

The goons from NVIDIA are in search and destroy mode, so I would not advise using any new GeForce drivers unless you absolutely have to for some new game that you feel like you cannot live without. Installing new GeForce drivers for no reason other than they are new is not a good approach for anyone to be taking. Watch 'em pull a fast one and do something extraordinarily immoral, like make Pascal a disposable poop product that is only available on new BGA turdbooks. I can hardly wait for the reaction to that. And, since they "don't support overclocking notebook GPUs" I won't have a surprised look on my face if it will be a clock-blocked piece of canine excrement. Remember, these people are not our friends. Notebook enthusiasts are an expendable revenue stream with more than enough idiots and console jockeys left in the world that are dumb enough to buy new gamer-boy trash just because it runs a Pascal GPU. It could have a Snapdragon CPU and a ton of those morons would still buy it.

 

One of the biggest reason why I am moving on from laptops....... too much BSes for me to smell everyday.

 

Just realized how everyone of us is scared of the new driver released by nvidia and not willing to touch it. This is funny because how sad it is.....

Just think about it for a second...

 

You probably will not be alone. If the Sky X9 is the last monsterbook available, GPU upgrades may be a thing of the past and make the best of the best no longer worth buying. Of course, we can only imagine what kind of future awaits desktop jockeys. They may find themselves in a similar sorry state of being in a few years... who knows. All I know is we can no longer trust Intel, Micro$loth or NVIDIA to do the right thing any more. It is becoming almost predictable that they will not.

Indeed... very sad. And, GeForce cancer drivers are creating as many messes in the desktop space. The trash factor is not an exclusive feature for notebook owners. A quick glance at the threads in the GeForce Community reveals more than enough evidence their dishonorable intentions are universally applicable.

 

At this rate geforce driver is decling, i wonder if I will be forced to get a quadro so I dont have to deal with this non sense.

 

I bet even those will all end up being disposable BGA feces before long. " Want a Quadro? No problem, buy this desktop motherboard with an 'approved' i7 soldered in place and Secure Flash, and you'll have yourself the latest and greatest workstation, ready to tackle any chore for as long as we approve of you being able to use it, or until the next new product is released; whichever comes first. Just don't mess with our BIOS hardware license expiration timer or you'll be perma-bricked."

 

MXM will undoubtedly be available for the high end chips. MSI will see to that.

The BGA threat is real though. The bottom line is that we make up such a small portion of the market that doesn't want a thin and light notebook so it won't come cheap. I'm considering selling my P377SM-A and just going to desktop only.

 

I hope not.......... I hope at least desktop is safe if notebook is slowly looking like a bit of a lost cause at this point... I doubt kaby lake mobile will be socketed. And the mobile xeons already throttle and are a sad joke.

 

And, " Don't worry. You're running Windows 10, so you will receive automatic notifications that your hardware license is about to expire at 30, 60 and 90 days prior to the machine failing to POST. You will have plenty of time to backup your data before it's time to buy a new PC."

 

Even @Prema will struggle with this All firmware will be hardcoded.

 

The only hope we have for socketed mobile chips is Zen. AMD knows that if they want to win back the enthusiasts they need to offer something we all have been complaining about - BGA. Zen looks like it will trade blows with Intel at lower TDP so it's not really farfetched to think about.

 

Oh, I forgot the fine print! " But, be warned. Any attempt to alter the BIOS hardware timer expiration date will be logged by Windows 10 and reported to the authorities for violation of the DMCA. Violations will be dealt with swiftly, and without mercy."

 

Why not a driver subscription too.....

50 dollar a month to use the licensed driver...

 

First laptops then desktops. Nice

 

That's why I'm hoping Steam is successful in getting gamers to move to SteamOS and increase Linux adoption. So sick of Microsoft.

 

That would be nice, if they can actually execute on it gracefully. The current state for Linux gaming is pretty horrible.

" And, if you still forget to backup your data, don't kill yourself. Remember, Micro$loth loves your data. We have a freshly-harvested backup copy of everything on your drives stored on our secure cloud servers. For a nominal fee, one of our friendly DMCA Customer Service drones will rush deliver a USB drive containing all of 'your' data, minus anything we find questionable or unacceptable. From our cloud, to your door within 48 hours. For more information, or to order a copy your drive backup, please visit https://amazon.com/micro$oft-extortion-cloud."

 

About future of SteamOS:
Vulcan performance with NVidia gpu is way better on Linux than on Windows 10
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Win10-Linux-Vulkan-Early

 

That's exactly why I'm hopeful. Vulkan is a game changer.

 

Agreed, and I am very happy to see progress being made, but the selection of available titles is not very good. If I look at the Steam catalog, an awful lot of what I have, or would be interested in having, is nowhere to be found for Linux. It's definitely getting better, but I'm not satisfied with most of what is available. And, that still won't fix the severe lack of respectable (competition grade) overclocking and benchmark tools available for Linux. Those are almost non-existent.

 

Well to be fair, with Vulkan performing so much better it's like an out of the box overclock anyway lol.

But yeah that's always been a problem with Linux. I mean even just getting sensors working correctly is a hassle and a half and even when you do get them working, you have access to nowhere near what Windows gives you.

The gaming library will grow, especially with Unreal Engine 4 backing Vulkan but obviously Windows will remain a necessary evil for the foreseeable future.

Benchmark tools on the other hand... There's no shortage of those. Phoronix Test Suite is HUGE

 

But HUGE with whom is the question. Everything that I value most can be found here for reference, and I do not see that one on the list. But, that might change someday, if Linux becomes relevant to overclocking enthusiasts. The worst thing I found was getting NVIDIA drivers and SLI to work right. I was able to get it working with Metro games, but it was very difficult to tell by anything other than much higher framerate when SLI was working. I think part of the problem is most of the hardcore Linux enthusiasts are not hardcore overclockers... essentially the same problem we have with Windows, only much worse.

And, the way things are shaping up, Kaby Lake may not even work for Linux. But, if BGA is the only flavor it comes in, it won't be worth having anyway. So, it may be a moot point.

 

Thought for a moment that this was our overclocking thread...LOL

The Phoenix gonna hunt himself some Falcon...

EDIT: Back on topic!

Something strange happened with this driver:

Spoiler

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8197706

 

Sorry for that. But a very very interesting theme But this isn't the worst thread to go off topic

 

Man these threads are getting depressingly sadder.

Jesus Micro$hit and nVIpeeDIA.

 

*cough* GTX 960 *cough* GTX 965M *cough cough wheeze*

Razer Stealth! Buy a superthin soldered-everything ultrabook for $300 more than it's worth with an "i7" that's weaker than the weakest desktop i3 available for sale today! And for an extra $400, you can get this dock that turns it into a DESKTOP GAMING BEAST*!
*uses PCI/e 3.0 x4 speeds of connection, bottlenecking GTX 980Ti-class and above cards to some degree.
*also uses Optimus™ technology which means all Blizzard games will have problems with your setup, and the intel iGPU runs the display, cutting off almost all the nVidia control options that come with those video cards.
BUY NOW! YAY!

Yes, yes they do.

No, no they do not. They might very well avoid BGA by default, but I guarantee you, they neither know nor plan to get to know the laptop enthusiast community. And I would stake my PC that the general public does not give a flying meowmix about BGA. Even speaking to some more advanced desktop-using gamers, when I mentioned soldered-only to them, they couldn't understand why it's a problem, and stated that I'm basically the only person they've ever seen even CONSIDER upgrading a laptop, or buying a laptop knowing that it could be upgraded if it reaches obsolescence stages.

The current state of Linux usage is horrible. I'm not even going to argue the fact that people get a lot of things working or can live with Linux as a primary OS much of the time. They don't count. The average joe needs to be able to do anything they want. Heard of a new software that someone on Windows is using? It better run on Linux, either natively or emulated perfectly.
END. OF.

Unfortunately that won't happen without a full rewrite of most Linux distros available. I found some software on a giveaway website called Mirillis Action! and it's a video/audio recorder with screenshot capabilities and benchmarking capabilities (benchmarks games, not has a benchmark to run, before you go looking for it xD). I've discovered it can use NVENC (and Quicksync AND EVEN AMD APP), produces FAR smoother video than Playclaw (my normal overlay software), is easy enough to setup, has LOTS of options; enough options in fact to actually satisfy ME. Do you know how hard a program is to satisfy my scrutiny? That's like finding a woman who's the perfect height, with the perfect voice, with the perfect body shape and measurements, who does everything in a way that drives me the right kind of crazy, and plays video games primarily on PC, and likes to talk tech with me for fun. Try finding one of those, I dare ya.

That isn't likely going to play well on Linux... I'd never heard of it before, where I normally see Fraps/Dxtory/Shadowplay/OBS called when someone wants a recording program. I only found Playclaw by accident too, back in the day when I wanted a CPU-based recorder. In fact, the only time I'd ever heard of Action! was shortly after getting it, I coincidentally saw that an article where a swedish website used it to benchmark some games.

This alone would make me annoyed with Linux. Imagine the people who use various render programs and video recorders or picture editors. People who want/need overlays and hooking tools. People who need programs for whatever it is they're doing. There's a lot of them that simply have no place on Linux. We'd need a Linux distro where this wouldn't be a thing. Where new programs get adopted into Linux coding because Linux is more popular, and older programs run natively via a windows emulation program that runs automatically, with 95%+ compatibility rate with programs. There's people who use years-old software because they have a key, or people who refuse to learn the new versions. I know many people who are still on Office 2007, and consider it the best version. I know businesses who rely on programs that just don't play well with newer versions of windows, even. Let alone put them on Linux? That's gotta WURK BRUH.

Until this happens, Windows is just going to be a "must use" for too many people. I'm a gamer; I play lots of games. As of recently, mainly Dark Souls series (I'm hooked on 3, fantastic game, give it a try with a controller if you ever feel like having a game brutally murder you for every little mistake forcing you to get better and better until SWEET SUCCESS), but I still play quite a lot of them. Even if every single one of them ran perfectly on Linux, I still have too many other things that just don't run on Linux to make a switch, for example. Games aren't the only thing, as I know you know.

 

you are right, my ASIC is 70. great memory you have

I was able to hit +100 MHz on the core very stable in the past. +150 MHz survives Fire Strike and benchmarks but during gaming it crashes within minutes so I will try upping the voltage now.

 

Can you show me an image of your nVIDIA Inspector so I can see what to change, I never used it before

 

I use Mirillis Action and Mirillis Splash player which both make use of my nVIDIA GPU perfectly. The smooth playback in Splash Player is amazing after you set the slider to the max +10

 

A start guide for you with my bad English . Start up Nvidia Inspector(pin to taskbar) and put up offset on core and mem clock. Next, increase voltage by one step(only one step each time for test). Apply clock and voltages. Start up GPU-z and run a test renderings such as the image.
You can also see your new boost voltage and clocks in Nvidia Inspector if you run the GPU-z test before you create your clocks shortcut.
If everything is ok create your clocks shortcut for your OC on desktop. But run a test bench without increasing voltage first. Next if crash, increase the voltage a step up if you need more (make a new clocks shortcut) and delete what does not work for you. I personally appreciate 500 mem offset. Log temp in bench if you start to Oc, so you know your gpu. Then run without any OSD(monitoring reduce the bench score a bit). Next step... A HIGHER OC ON YOUR GRAPHIS

 

all hotfix drivers appear as not approved. This is why @Mr. Fox despises them.

 

Often is hotfix / beta drivers better for benchmaarks. But when the next driver coming from the Green camp with WHQL certification, is the new drivers destroyed by Nvidia again. So it's a pity that hotfix / beta drivers can't be approved by 3Dmark.com with valid score. Damn Futuremark and nGreedia for this mess

 

WHQL in the past meant: stability, certified, tested....

with nVIDIA, WHQL means: Beta, possibility of frying hardware, instability, made by clowns who are on white horse

I tremble in fear when I see a new driver tagged as WHQL

 

WHQL doesn't mean "Beta, possibility of frying hardware, instability, made by clowns who are on white horse".

"WHQL" means "nothing" now. That's all. Just nothing. Every driver is WHQL whether or not they cause problems. It's obvious that the WHQL certification is just a slap-on that they have without testing. Simple.

 

WHQL hasn't meant anything since Microsoft implemented the "certification" process.

 

I remember when WHQL meant something back in the days of the 200 series and 400/500 series cards, for the most part. But since Windows 8.1 in particular, I've found WHQL means much less. And Windows' price points reflect this. But now it just means nothing anymore.

 

Micro$oft post Win7 is Micro$lop It is like flood infestation from Halo annihilates everything it touches...

 

Reverted back to 362.00. One Issue I experienced with this driver, when loading any video in Splash Player which uses NVENC, there is a 2 second lag before the video starts playing. 362.00 and older drivers don't have this issue.

 

The 'not approved' wasn't the point...
Look again, this time at the clocks: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8197706

No, I didn't complete that bench @1802Mhz!

 

On my desktop I went back to 362.00 too. I have screens not detecting using HDMI and DP sometimes. Very peculiar behaviour. Enough to make we want to not stay on them.
I just took the Division bits on my way out.

 

Yeah my desktop 970 decided to cry too.

DP breaking connection randomly. Reverted back... because why the hell not

 

Yeah.. Not cool Nvidia, not cool. Bunch of dropkicks