The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2015.

  1. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,901
    Trophy Points:
    931
    The titan-x performs just fine with an 4870hq, i've tested it.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 10, 2015
    #51
  2. hfm

    hfm Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    2,264
    Messages:
    5,296
    Likes Received:
    3,048
    Trophy Points:
    431
    DX12
     
    hfm, May 10, 2015
    #52
  3. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

    Reputations:
    7,279
    Messages:
    10,304
    Likes Received:
    2,878
    Trophy Points:
    581
    601mm2 would be a record yes. I think its mostly about power and thermals if it can work in notebooks or not.
    A 2400-2500 core GTX 990M would not be hotter than GTX 780M.
    You have GTX 780M with the same core amount as GTX 680, 780M ended up as 105W while 680 was 195W.
    A desktop 2400-2500 core with smaller memory bus should hit the same TDP as GTX 680.
    Hence a mobile GTX 990M based on the same would be possible.

    GTX 480M is brought up time after time again as an example of doom, but nobody here knows if it was because of the architecture or 40nm process at that time. People think its because of the size but have nothing to back it up with. That Nvidia havent used bigger die`s since, could be because GK110 from Fermi was 250W and GK104 was 195W meaning no mobile can come between. With Maxwell it is GM200 at 250W and GM204 as 165W. There is headroom there for another mobile GPU.
    30W more, who knows what that could bring. But if GM200 is not too big, Nvidia have the means to use the broken chips where all the 3072 cores isnt functioning.

    I thought a 2048 core GM204 would be the most plausible scenario for the next upcoming card from Nvidia, but that one should only be 20-30% somewhere faster than 980M. Which isnt what Hasee is saying.
    We will see what will happen.

    Yeah I don`t think a mobile CPU will bottleneck it. DX12 will surely help not to mention notebooks with GTX 990M will probably have the highest tier Skylake CPU when its offered.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2015
    Cloudfire, May 10, 2015
    #53
    Mr Najsman likes this.
  4. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

    Reputations:
    7,279
    Messages:
    10,304
    Likes Received:
    2,878
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Cloudfire, May 10, 2015
    #54
    Mr Najsman likes this.
  5. jasonlam

    jasonlam Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    177
    Messages:
    72
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    26
    I am glad that I didn't get my laptop upgraded to 980M last week :D
     
    jasonlam, May 10, 2015
    #55
  6. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    3,700
    Messages:
    8,323
    Likes Received:
    3,820
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I find it a bit strange how this one manufacturer is the only one that mentions the 990M. You'd think all of them in China (and wherever else) would be wanting to have NVIDIA's latest products. And if were informed of them, would also hold a press conference or release some article/information about it to benefit the shareholders. Unless this CEO obtained information illegally, is speculating, or was at a strip club with NVIDIA's CEO a few nights ago, I don't see why a single company in China would be privy to such information and others not.

    Anymore leaks from other sources?
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2015
    J.Dre, May 10, 2015
    #56
  7. baii

    baii Sone

    Reputations:
    1,420
    Messages:
    3,925
    Likes Received:
    201
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Hasee, "a big chinese notebook manufacturer"?

    They just sell clevo bare-bones with their own branding on the high end, not sure how that make them a manf.
     
    baii, May 10, 2015
    #57
    D2 Ultima likes this.
  8. thegreatsquare

    thegreatsquare Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    135
    Messages:
    1,068
    Likes Received:
    425
    Trophy Points:
    101
    I'll wait and hope for a die shrink. I don't think an upgrade from the 980m is necessary in the near term. Modor is playable with most everything High/Ultra @ 4k ...ultra texture pack too and no overclocking.

    1A DISPLAY.jpg 2 BENCH.jpg


    ...there too much untapped potential in the 980m at 1080p.
     
    thegreatsquare, May 10, 2015
    #58
  9. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

    Reputations:
    3,289
    Messages:
    10,780
    Likes Received:
    1,782
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Impossible without being Pascal.
     
    Kevin, May 10, 2015
    #59
  10. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

    Reputations:
    1,228
    Messages:
    5,696
    Likes Received:
    2,949
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Sorry if this has been said, but whats the estimated cost of that monster?
     
    Galm, May 10, 2015
    #60
  11. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

    Reputations:
    1,228
    Messages:
    5,696
    Likes Received:
    2,949
    Trophy Points:
    331
    uhhh... How about like USD, or like Euros or something more... like normal
     
    Galm, May 10, 2015
    #61
  12. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Do the conversion breh
     
    octiceps, May 10, 2015
    #62
  13. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

    Reputations:
    1,228
    Messages:
    5,696
    Likes Received:
    2,949
    Trophy Points:
    331
    There is none, it could be like ten millions dollars.
     
    Galm, May 10, 2015
    #63
  14. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    LOL stop being so dense. :p

    Simoleons are about as real as this GPU is.
     
    octiceps, May 10, 2015
    #64
  15. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

    Reputations:
    1,228
    Messages:
    5,696
    Likes Received:
    2,949
    Trophy Points:
    331
    lol ik but I want ur price to mean something, like 3 dollars.
     
    Galm, May 10, 2015
    #65
  16. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,404
    Messages:
    6,706
    Likes Received:
    4,735
    Trophy Points:
    431
    IF this card is real, it will be priced the same as all flagship cards from nVidia. Probably 1k or so if you buy it separate from a machine.
     
    Ethrem, May 10, 2015
    #66
  17. thegreatsquare

    thegreatsquare Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    135
    Messages:
    1,068
    Likes Received:
    425
    Trophy Points:
    101
    It's a 990m, so it's gonna cost 990 monies.
     
    thegreatsquare, May 10, 2015
    #67
  18. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Damn, that's a real bargain! 100% more performance for just 1% more monies? Sold!
     
    octiceps, May 10, 2015
    #68
    TomJGX and D2 Ultima like this.
  19. thegreatsquare

    thegreatsquare Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    135
    Messages:
    1,068
    Likes Received:
    425
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Yeah... well... ya know... the percentage of Ones, Fives & Tens vary.
     
    thegreatsquare, May 10, 2015
    #69
  20. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

    Reputations:
    2,544
    Messages:
    4,346
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    Trophy Points:
    231
    990 problems and a 990M ain't one
     
    n=1, May 10, 2015
    #70
    jaybee83, TomJGX and octiceps like this.
  21. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I wonder if we will get any more rapper-endorsed Nvidia products after the Asus G750JZ.

    "GTX 990M is one Ludacris GPU"
     
    octiceps, May 10, 2015
    #71
  22. ratinox

    ratinox Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    119
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    516
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Bingo. I'd maybe believe a 990M that's comparable to 2-way 970M SLI but 2-way 980M SLI? No. Maybe Pascal will be able to do it. Maybe.
     
    ratinox, May 10, 2015
    #72
  23. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    cost is 99 luftballons...
     
    HTWingNut, May 10, 2015
    #73
    D2 Ultima likes this.
  24. Raidriar

    Raidriar ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

    Reputations:
    1,708
    Messages:
    5,820
    Likes Received:
    4,311
    Trophy Points:
    431
    This is totally bonkers, there is just no way the 990M will equal a 980M SLI. If that is the case, I will buy everybody a 990M.
     
    Raidriar, May 10, 2015
    #74
    jaybee83, iaTa, TR2N and 3 others like this.
  25. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

    Reputations:
    2,544
    Messages:
    4,346
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Quoted for posterity profit :D
     
    n=1, May 10, 2015
    #75
    jaybee83, Mr Najsman and D2 Ultima like this.
  26. Mr.Koala

    Mr.Koala Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    568
    Messages:
    2,307
    Likes Received:
    566
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Most vendors who people call "manufacturer" are resellers these days.

    The majority don't even understand the words OEM/ODM.
     
    Mr.Koala, May 11, 2015
    #76
    HTWingNut likes this.
  27. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yeah, I've seen arguments between people online saying one company's laptop was better than this other company's laptop, yet they were both the same Clevo rebrand, lol.
     
    HTWingNut, May 11, 2015
    #77
    jaybee83 likes this.
  28. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

    Reputations:
    4,335
    Messages:
    11,803
    Likes Received:
    9,751
    Trophy Points:
    931
    I will certainly take you up on this =D
     
    D2 Ultima, May 11, 2015
    #78
    heibk201, Mr Najsman and Mr.Koala like this.
  29. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

    Reputations:
    1,577
    Messages:
    3,845
    Likes Received:
    1,239
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Me three, me three :D
     
    triturbo, May 11, 2015
    #79
  30. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

    Reputations:
    2,544
    Messages:
    4,346
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Official "Raidriar will buy everyone a 990M" Signup Sheet
    1. n=1
    2. D2 Ultima
    3. tribturbo
    4. octiceps' dog

    Please add your name to the list as you see fit. :D
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2015
    n=1, May 11, 2015
    #80
    jaybee83, heibk201, Player2 and 5 others like this.
  31. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Please add my dog to the list
     
    octiceps, May 11, 2015
    #81
  32. Phase

    Phase Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    7
    Messages:
    483
    Likes Received:
    100
    Trophy Points:
    56
    cant wait to replace the gtx 765m in a macbook pro with this 990m. retina display gaming maxed out yo!
     
    Phase, May 11, 2015
    #82
  33. sasuke256

    sasuke256 Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    495
    Messages:
    1,440
    Likes Received:
    449
    Trophy Points:
    101
    which 765M ? the MB Pro uses a gt750M gddr5 but 384cc -_-
     
    sasuke256, May 11, 2015
    #83
  34. Phase

    Phase Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    7
    Messages:
    483
    Likes Received:
    100
    Trophy Points:
    56
    my bad. didn't realize the gpu in it was that bad lol
     
    Phase, May 11, 2015
    #84
  35. ratinox

    ratinox Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    119
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    516
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Heh. The last time Apple put a good GPU into a notebook was... um... hm... has Apple ever put anything better than mid-range graphics into a notebook?
     
    ratinox, May 11, 2015
    #85
    sasuke256 likes this.
  36. HaloGod2012

    HaloGod2012 Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    766
    Messages:
    2,066
    Likes Received:
    1,725
    Trophy Points:
    181
    which is strange, given they always go for the most beastly GPU's in their mobile chipsets. (multi-cluster PowerVR's)
     
    HaloGod2012, May 11, 2015
    #86
  37. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    They do develop those GPUs themselves, which helps.

    I'm sure right about now Jen-Hsun will jump on stage and proclaim Tegra X1 to be the fastest mobile GPU in the world LOL.
     
    octiceps, May 11, 2015
    #87
  38. HaloGod2012

    HaloGod2012 Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    766
    Messages:
    2,066
    Likes Received:
    1,725
    Trophy Points:
    181

    yeah is a joint effort between Apple and Imagination Tech. Tegra could have been awesome, but they got kicked out of the mobile sector pretty bad. I wonder if nvidia would ever work with apple on a high end gpu for the macs?
     
    HaloGod2012, May 11, 2015
    #88
  39. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Apple's already using high-end notebook GPUs in its iMacs. There's nothing preventing Apple from making MacBooks with thicker chassis and better cooling to house those GPUs as well but ofc hipsters will have none of that. Laptops need to be skinny like their jeans.
     
    octiceps, May 11, 2015
    #89
    HaloGod2012 likes this.
  40. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Free stuff. I'm in!

    You better put some stipulations because someone somewhere will overvolt the hell out of one of these and make it faster than an SLI setup in at least one benchmark... just sayin'
     
    HTWingNut, May 11, 2015
    #90
  41. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

    Reputations:
    3,289
    Messages:
    10,780
    Likes Received:
    1,782
    Trophy Points:
    581
    I refuse to accept that anyone, on this beloved forum, believes Nvidia could double the 980M on a single die, on the same Maxwell process.

    It'd be too painful. My heart could not survive such a thing.
     
    Kevin, May 11, 2015
    #91
    jaybee83, sasuke256 and D2 Ultima like this.
  42. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Who said double? It said same performance as 980m SLI ~ 170-180%. ;)
     
    HTWingNut, May 11, 2015
    #92
    Cloudfire likes this.
  43. Andycinoz

    Andycinoz Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    36
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    31
    So. These are going to be a few techie questions from a non-techie, as I'm going to be buying a new laptop in the near future.

    1) Is everyone fairly sure that 990M will be the same as the current architecture, and therefore if I buy a DTR with upgradable graphics card, will I be able to upgrade from a 980M myself?

    2) the consensus, as far as I've been able to follow it, seems to think that 990M SLI won't be possible. Is this the (guesstimated) case?

    3) If I can upgrade from a 980 to a 990M, should I max out the power of the CPU, to help with bottle necking issues?

    4) If it's as powerful as the leak suggests, will Raidair really buy me a 990M, thus saving me Simoleans/$$$? If so, sign me up!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Andycinoz, May 11, 2015
    #93
  44. Phase

    Phase Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    7
    Messages:
    483
    Likes Received:
    100
    Trophy Points:
    56
    their cooling is already insane- max fans 100 percent of the time. have you heard those leaf blowers insane them when watching movies?
     
    Phase, May 11, 2015
    #94
  45. Lumlx

    Lumlx Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    38
    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    159
    Trophy Points:
    56
    There is no way it will have same performance as dual 980m. I believe it will have like 5-10% more juice than gtx 970 desktop version.
     
    Lumlx, May 12, 2015
    #95
  46. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

    Reputations:
    1,456
    Messages:
    8,707
    Likes Received:
    3,315
    Trophy Points:
    431
    I have to agree... I really doubt NVIDIA has any incentive to make GM200 on a mobile GPU let alone one that has twice the performance of a 980M... Some of the stuff here has been completely blown out of proportion and @Cloudfire stop all your wild estimations man lol :)
     
    TomJGX, May 12, 2015
    #96
  47. ryzeki

    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    6,547
    Messages:
    6,410
    Likes Received:
    4,085
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Maybe 990 will be based on secret 14nm process and a radicall modification of maxwell?!?!

    nah :p
     
    ryzeki, May 12, 2015
    #97
  48. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    3,700
    Messages:
    8,323
    Likes Received:
    3,820
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Okay, I can't take it anymore. I ran into Wu at a Starbucks and bought him a Latte. He agreed to prank all of you. The 990M isn't real.
     
    J.Dre, May 12, 2015
    #98
    jaybee83 likes this.
  49. octiceps

    octiceps Nimrod

    Reputations:
    3,147
    Messages:
    9,944
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Wu? Hu dat?
     
    octiceps, May 12, 2015
    #99
  50. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

    Reputations:
    7,279
    Messages:
    10,304
    Likes Received:
    2,878
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Its math

    GTX 980M: 1536 cores @ 1100MHz
    GTX 990M: 2560 cores @ 1100MHz

    2560/1536 = +67%
    I`d say thats pretty close to 980M SLI

    Before you say 2560 cores will burn up your notebook,
    2048 cores = 165W
    3072 cores = 250W
    Right in the middle of that is 205W. Disable that memory bus from 384bit to 256bit, run the VRAM at 1300MHz instead of 1753MHz, you are perhaps down to 190W.
    GTX 880M was based on a 195W desktop card.

    A massive GM200 is nuts yes, but crazier things have happened. Atleast be open to the possbility instead of being so sceptical like the rest here (excluding HTWingNut).

    The truth is that Nvidia have been lowballing mobile with the GTX 980M. It got less cores than GTX 970 which is a 145W. I said it from the day it was released. They could have easily made a GTX 980M with 2048 cores instead of 1536 cores.
     
    Cloudfire, May 12, 2015
    #100
    iaTa, triturbo and sformasforma like this.
← Previous pageNext page →