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    nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2015.

  1. J.Dre

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    I can see something being released around Computex, but not Q4 2015. That would be so close to Pascal. They've already delayed Pascal twice, I think.
     
    J.Dre, May 12, 2015
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    All of that is understood. The problem I have is believing that a greedy company like nVidia that has no competition at the moment would release such a powerhouse when they still have full GM204 that they can push off on us and then hold back on Pascal performance so they can milk it with two or three rebrands.

    Releasing this monster will mean they will have to really make a performance jump with Pascal.
     
    Ethrem, May 12, 2015
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  3. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    What if Nvidia know more than us about what Amd working on and will be ahead?
     
    Papusan, May 12, 2015
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  4. Ethrem

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    That would be even more of reason for nVidia to not show their hand in my mind. Why give AMD a heads up that gives them time to tweak performance further when nVidia can have cards shipping out the door and in consumer hands before AMD?
     
    Ethrem, May 12, 2015
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    A to small perfomance increase over Gtx980m becomes too little I think. Amd has lying so far behind Nvidia that something must happen soon. I believe Nvidia also is aware of this. Amd has promised increased focus on high performance now so who knows?
     
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  6. TonytotheB

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    Just why?
     
    TonytotheB, May 12, 2015
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  7. ratinox

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    ratinox, May 12, 2015
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    Papusan, May 12, 2015
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  9. Ethrem

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    Doubtful they will have one til 2016.
     
    Ethrem, May 12, 2015
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  10. ratinox

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    That's assuming AMD even has a mobile flagship in the works. And given that the "high" end R5 M375 looks to be between GTX 950M and GTX 960M? I'm not expecting much.
     
    ratinox, May 12, 2015
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  11. be77solo

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    I loved my old mobile HD 5870, that was what, 4-5 years ago? It was relevant for years and kept up well. We just need them to find the magic again and I'll gladly jump ship to keep Nvidia honest.
     
    be77solo, May 12, 2015
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  12. Game7a1

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    The R9 m375 is actually about on par or better than a 940m thanks to the DDR3 VRAM it has. The R9 m280x is on par with the GTX 850m/950m, so expect the m380x to be competing with the 950m/960m.
     
    Game7a1, May 12, 2015
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  13. J.Dre

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    AMD hasn't even responded to NVIDIA Maxwell, yet. That's what they plan to do this June at Computex. Don't expect anything amazing* from AMD this year (in mobile). They fell behind years ago, and have stayed behind NVIDIA, which leads to re-branding on both sides.

    *By "amazing," I mean a new architecture or something better than Maxwell. It's highly unlikely. Amazing in regards to AMD (in general) would be something as measly as proper driver support. :D

    In other words, I agree with @Ethrem : It doesn't make sense. Why hurry? Not like anyone is forcing their hand or competing on their level.
     
    J.Dre, May 12, 2015
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  14. Cloudfire

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    Mobile cards have always been built around the power metric.
    New cards from a new architecture is pretty much as fast as SLI from the last cards of the last architecture.

    GTX 680M (Kepler) was as fast as GTX 580M SLI (Fermi). Much faster than 480M SLI (Fermi).
    GTX 980M (Maxwell) was almost as fast as GTX 780M SLI (Kepler) and slower than 880M SLI because Nvidia lowballed mobile with Maxwell.

    New architecture like Pascal will be vastly better in efficiency than Maxwell, plus they will introduce stacked VRAM and it will be built on 16nm, trust me, their first Pascal will be much better than 980M SLI.
     
    Cloudfire, May 13, 2015
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    Well there's a difference. From what I understand Pascal won't be here until at least Q3 2016. This fall with 990m will be a Maxwell rebrand and no way that will be 980m SLI performance.
     
    HTWingNut, May 13, 2015
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  16. J.Dre

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    If I had to guess, assuming the 990M is real and has more cores, it should perform about 30% better than the 980M.

    GTX 980 has 2048 Maxwell cores. The Titan X has 3072 Maxwell cores. The Titan X performs about 30% better than a GTX 980.

    NVIDIA follows trends when it comes to mobile vs desktop graphics. They can easily push another 30% out of Maxwell mobile to still top AMD's response to Maxwell, and that's exactly what I expect of such a company. And not to mention, 30% actually makes perfect sense, considering Pascal is due soon thereafter.
     
    J.Dre, May 13, 2015
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    The titan-x also has more ROPS and a 50% wider memory bus. There is not really much more memory bandwidth room in the 980M, it would all be core horsepower.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 13, 2015
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  18. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That's true. Didn't consider that. But, nonetheless, 30% is more reasonable than 2x the performance of the 980M, which I'd expect only to come from Pascal.
     
    J.Dre, May 13, 2015
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  19. ratinox

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    Yep. That's why I figure that if 990M is real then it's more like a better 970M SLI.
     
    ratinox, May 13, 2015
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  20. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Keep your expectations low or you have to be ready for another disappointment...
     
    Prema, May 13, 2015
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  21. D2 Ultima

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    My only expectation is that more GPUs will come out till nVidia is finished milking us =D.
     
    D2 Ultima, May 13, 2015
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  22. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    The main issue I have with all this is that even the 125W 880M proved to be too hot for pretty much any machine to handle. I just can't see how you'd fit all that power into a 150W envelope and not have to drastically redesign your laptop cooling to prevent burning up the card even at stock, nevermind overclocking.

    I guess that crazier thing was the 480M. It happened, it was a disaster, and nVidia nevered bother going that route again.
     
    n=1, May 13, 2015
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  23. D2 Ultima

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    Well some of these notebooks can handle it... *cough* P7xxZM *cough*

    Saw a video from J. Dre yesterday. Guy didn't even hit 60c in BF4 at 96% scaling, ultra preset, unlocked FPS. My cards hit over 60c in SLI getting like 50% usage on each and I ain't even at ultra AND I limit my fps to 125.
     
    D2 Ultima, May 13, 2015
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  24. iaTa

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    Oh how I've missed the Nvidia GPU speculation, love it.

    Maybe Nvidia fully realise the impact that VR will have towards the end of the year / start of next and are releasing a mobile beast to power it :D
     
    iaTa, May 13, 2015
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  25. J.Dre

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    Even if some systems can handle it, I wouldn't want a card that hot, just because... Better off waiting for Pascal. It will be a tiny, little monster that runs cooler than anything today. Either that or it will run the same temps as Maxwell but output twice the performance (due to the shrink in the process).
     
    J.Dre, May 13, 2015
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  26. Cakefish

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    Firstly, I think that this '990M' will be called something else (either 1080M or something entirely different), as NVIDIA have never gone over a year without refreshing it's mobile lineup with a new branding/naming scheme. Secondly, I think it's going to have 2048 cores and be a GM204 chip, as that just makes more sense to me with such a hypothetical GPU already offering a sizeable improvement vs 980M and already having a mobile-friendly 256bit memory bus. I think that the story of mobile Kepler will play out again (680M to 780M, both GK104).

    I hope I'm wrong, but I'll be very surprised to see a GM200 chip in laptops.

    Edit: Either way, I don't think I will have enough willpower to resist getting a laptop equipped with one of these and Skylake. Too much temptation. Can't ignore. I'll be kicking myself when it gets blown away by Pascal the following year, but maybe by then I'll have a full time job (one can only hope!).
     
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  27. Cloudfire

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    Meh, worst case should be 2048 core GTX 990M anyway.
    Thats 20-30% better performance. Solid boost that too :)
     
    Cloudfire, May 13, 2015
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  28. Cakefish

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    I couldn't ignore a boost like that. Seeing as my 980M is hopeless at overclocking, I'm much more open to replacing it quickly than I'd otherwise be.

    I just wonder whether a refreshed P65xSG from Clevo will be able to handle these higher powered chips.
     
    Cakefish, May 13, 2015
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  29. Cloudfire

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    Its hopeless at overclocking? Didnt Prema release a vbios that makes it very stable or was it Dell exclusive?

    Yeah say 25% boost would be decent. Still won`t convince me to return to notebooks though.
     
    Cloudfire, May 13, 2015
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    It could be called the GTX 985m.
     
    Game7a1, May 13, 2015
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  31. J.Dre

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    980MX is more likely, in my opinion. They've already used "MX" once. But the information in the main post suggests 990M. :p

     
    J.Dre, May 13, 2015
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  32. D2 Ultima

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    There is absolutely no basis for this. For all we know it could double maxwell's performance but run as hot as Kepler or Fermi. Maxwell is so unnaturally cool it's unrealistic to simply "expect" any later generation to run as cool or cooler.
    HIS 980M is hopeless, just like my slave 780M needs a ridiculous amount of voltage (I can do 1006/6000 on +37.5 on master GPU, and slave needs +62.5 for the same OC). Not 980Ms themselves (though they're nowhere near as good as 970Ms are). He can't change his 980M either cuz board solder, so it's not as simple as buying a new GPU when another comes out.
    I hear you there. I'm not gonna discard my notebook till I can't use it anymore probably, but I wouldn't jump back into things unless a true amazing notebook comes out. A SLI version of a P770ZM with a 400W-450W brick and skylake and two full GM204 chips WITHOUT low voltage vRAM and WITH proper amounts of VRMs with dual PSU compatibility and even 120Hz screen compatibility? THAT would be something that'd make me feel enthusiast laptops aren't dead.
     
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  33. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    *Walks away*

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, May 13, 2015
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  34. J.Dre

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    Holy crap, they did it. o_O
     
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  35. HTWingNut

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    GM200 mobile... lulz.
     
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  36. Ethrem

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    Well they did 880M so I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
     
    Ethrem, May 13, 2015
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  37. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Please not an 880M repeat... Just make it a better 980M.
     
    J.Dre, May 13, 2015
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  38. octiceps

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    Dem Photoshop skillz
     
    octiceps, May 13, 2015
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  39. Ethrem

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    Why is the vendor ID 10DS? NVidia is 10DE.
     
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  40. octiceps

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    350.12 don't contain INF entry for no stinkin' GTX 980MX.

    Why use a 2048-shader cut-down GM200 instead of a full fat GM204?

    Why is all the info filled in despite the GPU not being in GPU-Z's database?

    Smells fishy, eh? :p

    Can't believe Cloudfire has pulled some people's leg for 14 pages and counting. :D
     
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  41. Game7a1

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    The BIOS revision number also looks weird.
    I wonder if Cloudfire's walk is done...
     
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  42. octiceps

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    Release date predates Titan X ROFL.
     
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    That was the first thing I noticed, then the shaders, plus GPU-Z actually showing all the info but there is no 10DS vendor, it isn't possible. There's no S in hexadecimal. That's what sealed it for me.
     
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  44. D2 Ultima

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    Only thing I could think of would be improved number of TMUs? *shrugs*
     
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  45. octiceps

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    Those get disabled as well. 128 TMUs/64 ROPs is the same as GTX 980.
     
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    I... wanted... to... believe... why couldn't you let me be happy for more than a moment!
     
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    Our condolences
     
    octiceps, May 13, 2015
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  48. n=1

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    Honestly the first 2 things I saw were "980MX" and "2048 shaders". I immediately thought to myself yep a full GM204 that makes sense. :)

    Then I saw the die size and release date and was like :rolleyes: "I wonder how many will fall for this :D"
     
    n=1, May 13, 2015
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  49. Game7a1

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    You know, I just went back to the "source", and no where does Cloudfire's phone pic (not saying it is his phone) info, the SLI bit, show up anywhere in the source. Not even the time.
    I have to ask, did anybody look back at the original source, or did people just blindly believe this?
     
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  50. James D

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    Am I the only one who sees something wrong in numbers here?
     
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