nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

nope, both soldered and MXM but yeah, in this particular GX700 model its most likely soldered...

also, that 80% performance boost mentioned in the linked article is when ALL components are overclocked to the absolute limit. so u dont just automatically get +80% performance when docking onto the radiator

 

I'd never buy that thing, lol. I'd rather have a nice desktop.

Funny seeing all these guys making eGPU docks.

 

Since it is currently a little fuzzy on what may be offered I am going to play with 680M SLI until it becomes clear. I would hate to buy 980Ms only to have 990M in MXM format appear a couple of months later.

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Here is another German source about GX700 from that expo, confirming those GTX 990M specs and putting availability to November 2015 (of whole Asus GX700, so GTX 990M should launch at latest then):

http://www.notebookinfo.de/artikel/...-im-asus-gx700-und-rog-g752-vorgestellt/6746/

 

yea, im currently waiting for the 1000 series before i make my move.

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My concern is if that thing is a water-cooled radiator, how does one manage to refill it when the liquid is used up? Water-cooled desktops are already difficult to maintain now a water-cooled laptop, it will be more of a chore than fun. Good thing with a water-cooled desktop is it needs to be refilled every 2 years or so, this thing on the other hand will probably need to be refilled every 2 months plus you'll most likely need to buy a special type of liquid from Asus. If it does end up with a soldered GPU, then it'll just be garbage and a waste of money. Like @J.Dre said, I would rather build a water-cooled Quad-Sli 1080ti rig.

 

Or the 1080m Sli GPU which should be arriving in a couple of months and will most likely blow the 990m Sli out of the water.

 

If it is a huge leap over 980M then it would be worth waiting. I don't "need" any of these or the M18x R2. I just wanted it. My P170SM-A is not feeling the least bit sluggish yet, which I am thankful for.

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1080M sli GPU in a couple of months? in which dreamworld do u live in? *lol*

on another note, that notebookinfo article mentions that the coolant WILL NOT BE EXCHANGEABLE! so thats basically an integrated obsolescence switch, after two years the coolant goes bad and u need to get urself a new machine

on the bright side, that 990M is supposed to run 30% faster than a desktop 980 when docked

 

Yep, I see this all the time on gaming forums. "Don't you a laptop for gaming." "Laptops aren't designed for gaming." "Only a fool would try to game on a laptop."

 

Yeah I love dropping the benchmarks from my 980M SLI whipping the crap out of their desktops...

 

@jaybee83 , the 1000 series, according to nvidia, will be released in 2016.
So the radiator thingy will be obsolete after 2 years and I'll have to spend another 2 grands to get me another, hmmmmm no thanks plus the laptop itself will have soldered parts. The 990m is around 20% faster than a 980, not 30%. Anyways, I have no plans of buying a new laptop much less upgrading what I already have.
@deadsmiley , is the 680m Sli still able to run games decently? I don't have any plans of upgrading my laptop for the time being as my 880ms are more than enough for gaming and work. Maybe after 3 years.

 

Yes it was gut wrenching to see the hate some of the desktop users showed when we approached them to support us during the Nvidia clock-block issue. They were completely oblivious to the fact that it could happen to them as well.

Anyway back on topic, in my opinion Asus does get an A for trying something new. Maybe they felt they need to introduce something crazy like this in order to compete with Alienware and MSI eGPUs.

 

You have to replace closed loops? I've heard of people running them for 5+ years without any degradation in performance...

 

@PC GAMER I don't know. It won't be here until Friday.

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I suppose it's more a question of which new games will use engines that don't support SLI (id Tech 6, UE4)?

 

I had a H50 that's been running for four years now without any issues. Closed loops are normally warrantied until 5 years so I assume the ASUS solution will be similar.

 

2016 might be accurate, but that doesnt mean its gonna be available on jan 1st *lol* id bet on Q3 if not even later...wouldnt really surprise me.

as for those 30%, it was the number that the notebookinfo article mentioned, quoting Asus reps. that was based on the overclocked version when docked to the watercooling radiator...

5yr warranty might be true to desktop parts, but i highly doubt that asus will give you a 5yr warranty for a closed loop system thats hooked to a laptop which comes with a standard 2 yr warranty

 

"But for that price, you could get a water-cooled quad Sli Titan x"lol, I love it when desktop users bash on "gaming laptops" like it's the anti-Christ. 90% of desktop users have a crappy GPU and can't even afford to SLi them then they have the audacity to tell me I can only play **** games on it. I love their reaction when I say my steam library has over 100 games with 75% of it being AAA titles.

UE4 supports Sli if you have windows 10. Id tech 6 is not a demanding engine at all. I never got frame drops when playing old blood and the new order. Got steady 60fps except when recording, drops to 45-50.

 

I think external docks are a mistake for the consumer. They're tricking you into purchasing disposable hardware with these magic boxes that claim to "future proof" your system. The fact of the matter is: as soon as you drop $5000+ on this setup, it will be obsolete less than 12 months later.

Go build a desktop that'll last you 5 years. These aren't cell phones.

 

I believe you are thinking of Id tech 5. Id tech 6 is for DOOM and future titles, but hopefully won't be too much more demanding. Good to hear about UE4 though.

You feel that desktop graphics cards become obsolete every 12 months?

 

It'll most probably be available around July or August at the latest. 30% when overclocked and connected to the radiator seems small especially if the stock is around 20%. I was expecting 50% but then again, only the likes of @Mr. Fox would be able to achieve such numbers. I assume Asus will support Dual PSUs right out of the box otherwise it will just be wasted potential and frustration too. I've had times when my 880ms (non-overclocked please) went over 330W, let's just say it was extremely unpleasant especially for a noob like me. Fortunately a restart always fixed it.
@moviemarketing , I hope so, DOOM is gonna be one hell of a game ( no pun intended)

 

So it is finally confirmed, GTX 990M is a full GM204.
Oh well, atleast its higher clocked than GTX 980M.
Should be about 50% faster than GTX 980M.

Gotta say I find the Asus GX700 notebook pretty interesting. Leave the water cooling unit behind when travelling and just plug it in when you get home for awesome and quiet cooling.
Plus it features the new 4K display.

 

Everyone who buys this is gonna be like, "Man, I should've waited for Pascal. "

Everyone that waits for Pascal will be like, "Man, I should've waited 'till 2019 for Volta."

@moviemarketing No...?

 

If 990M was like 20% faster than 980M I`d wait for Pascal. But at +50% roughly it will be one heck of an upgrade for anyone.

Here is Acer`s new Predator series. Looks beautiful plus it features 3 fans for 1 GPU and 1 CPU. Like Asus GX700 it is also interesting
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-launches-Predator-gaming-laptops.149865.0.html

 

If this "990M" (which isn't even named a 990M?) is 50% faster at stock... Then Pascal must be like 250% faster, lol.

 

The Alienware graphics amplifier supports nearly every GPU out now and I would assume the upcoming 1000 series too but i may be wrong. They aren't really futureproofing your system, it's just a gimmick for noobs as the CPU, RAM speed and motherboard will surely bottleneck the desktop GPU giving laughable gains. Alienware showed a COD: AW performance test of the AW13 with the 980, there was only 30-40fps gains when using the 980 instead of the on-board GPU, lol.

 

I'll be going with the Clevo DM series laptop so for me I can upgrade from skylake to kabylake and from 990M to 1080M if I needed to.

You'd be waiting forever if you were to wait for the next release every time. I think the 990M will be realistically 40% faster than 980M which is still a very nice jump.

 

Is it going to have 16GB's of VRAM as rumored? Looks like the "ASUS GX700" version has 8GB's. I suppose this is the soldered version.

The desktop GTX 990 must be coming out soon. Going to be interesting.

 

There's a possibility. We've seen soldered versions having half of MXM v-ram so I wouldn't be surprised if the MXM 990M had 16GB.

 

Meh, I think the reseller that quoted 16GB doesnt really know.
The only way to make 16GB is to use 1GB DRAMs and I have still yet to see any GPU using them.
Nvidia and AMD probably gives a rats behind about these expensive chips because they are leaving GDDR5 behind and moving towards HBM anyway

 

So, I'll finally chime in. The P7xxZM communities, early in release, discussed advanced cooling options, including looking at the water cooled alienware sample. This also includes examining K-core (copper with graphene core) for the plates and better heat pipes. Asus took the inspiration from multiple group discussions and prior samples that were shown and created a new water cooled system. With this, I expect the external reservoir uses quick disconnects which can lose liquid over time, but not a lot. It is an engineering feat. So let's give credit there. With that, I want to know the efficacy of the cooling without the reservoir attached. How much better is performance and what is the potential oc. I won't buy one because I have my chosen machine and I'm not exactly impressed with the reservoir look there, but others may be. I also like the ability to upgrade. This may spur advanced cooling system experimentation in upcoming machines which you may be interested in. So first consider what you're bashing will do to the future of gaming systems before you attack the design and effort. Do you want to use the same old simple copper heatsink and air, or do you want to see experimentation and movement toward better machines that truly give us desktop power in a mobile package.

 

And some more info about GX700 / GTX 990M, from NotebookCheck folks on the expo floor:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-GX700-may-be-coming-with-Nvidia-Geforce-GTX-980-GPU.149903.0.html

There are 2 power supplies: 180 watt with a notebook and 150 watt with a cooling unit (together 330 watts).

When undocked, GPU is running with limited TDP and gets about GTX 980M performance, CPU overclocking is disabled.

When docked, system gets both extra cooling and full 330 watts TDP (shared between overclocked CPU and GPU).

All display options with G-Sync (1080p and 4K).

This notebook will only be offered with a cooling dock. Cost 3,000-4,000 EUR. Weight 7-8 kg (cooler included).

 

jaybee83, so that's the surprise, water-cooling required?

It is still beat by an SLI-980m set up, at least by their chart numbers. It doesn't beat a single desktop 980... it is better than a single 980m.



TDP limited while mobile, unless you can find a drinking fountain with the right plumbing?

 

There are now a couple more videos:

Asus GX 700 angesehen (Ifa 2015) - hands on


ASUS ROG GX700 – Liquid Cooled Laptop - Skylake-K CPU

 

After watching those (not just seeing the pictures), not a bad design.

 

ajc9988, it's about as slick as it can be, pretty cool

It is obvious now that it is announced, how else could you pack more performance into the same sized laptop - improve cooling radically.

It is nice it performs as fast as a 980m while undocked - initially I was concerned it was going to be iGPU only like the other docking solutions.

The best Dock / "eGPU" => eCOOLer so far

 

Looks very interesting, wish there were a 15" version

 

Definitely innovative. I am somewhat impressed, but still not enough to purchase it over a desktop, especially for that price.

 

moviemarketing, with a 15", I think the cooling pipes would need to be an exoskeleton assemblage

 

It's an interesting take, a little more closer to what id want in a dock.

the perfect dock for me would be something that improves cooling and works as an i/o hub that i can connect my displays, keyboard and mouse, and other accessories plus power.

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I like my faptop just the way it is.

 

So only as fast as 980M when undocked, and still slower than 980 (-2 GHz GDDR5, -64 GB/s) with the butt implant? Son I am disappoint.

That would put MXM 990M performance somewhere between 980M and slightly-slower-than-980? Not a huge delta. Suffice to say current 980M owners have no reason to upgrade until Pascal.

@Cloudfire imagine if 990M was GM200 like you tried to convince everyone it was. What would that require, total submersion in mineral oil?

 

you and i think alike mate, i like that. BTW is the "faptop" a typo or was it intentional. just saying cause a 3d 4K screen would suit you better if you know what i mean :wink:

 

butt implant? that's kim kardashian quality right there (oh god why do i have to say such things)

 

So let's examine the price. A custom cooled decent desktop loop is basement bargain$500-700, depending on components. You can easily go to $800-1500 if going all out on your loop. Of course prices differ on components, the video card water block, CPU water block, radiators, fans, hoses, connectors, pump, reservoir. That's a basic setup. Advanced includes ram blocks, bigger radiators, mb blocks of different types, multiple video card blocks, possibly two CPU blocks, an external reservoir tower for those so inclined. So the price isn't exactly horrible for custom components + Mark up for mobility (we're always gouged for that). Does it mean it is worth it, depends who you ask. But if it becomes more common, prices can drop.

 

Which Kardashian was it who had the leaky butt implants?

 

So EVGA is apparently working on a gaming notebook. I have a suspicion this is going to be another one with GTX 990M (given their pedigree it would be silly to brag about just another GTX 980M or SLI notebook, timing would fit, too soon for Pascal):

 

I think I'd rather have the Graphics Amplifier of the Alienware line - the GPU can be upgraded further down the line, plus has the potential for greater performance if you choose a good enough desktop card for it. And I'm thinking it would work out cheaper too.

 

1. Thin
2. 990M

Pick one