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    nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2015.

  1. ajc9988

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    So, I must ask, if this had this dock, tb3.0 with eGPU support with sli, the internal card being mxm for upgrades, larger power supply, the dock also having the normal outlets a dock would, would you then be happy?
     
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    http://notebookitalia.it/evga-gaming-notebook-skylake-22203

    Seems to take some styling cues from Asus
     
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    That sounds fantastic. Sign me up, doc.

    Oh and throw in a desktop CPU while you're at it.
     
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    Now that sounds great!
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    After throwing two 980ti in that setup (which may be throttled by tb3.0 (I haven't reviewed transfer rates)), you now have paid close to $5,500-$6,500. How's that feel?
     
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    I wouldn't want two 980 Ti, one is enough. SLI is trash right now.
     
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    With the right camera angles you can make everything look thin.

    I believe this is MSI GT72 and it looks thin (note left side of chassis, GS models don't have those buttons, also display top edge is straight in thin models):

    [​IMG]

    This is Asus G752 and it looks thin:

    [​IMG]

    We know both are big, thick and heavy, with decent cooling.

    For comparison, here is that EVGA one (it can still be as thick as those two):

    [​IMG]

    But yes, EVGA is exaggerating in either "thin" or "very high-end" claims. I just like to think it was "thin" that was overplayed :)
     
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    So how's that supposed 990M 150W claim going?

    I'm studying if I need to get a second power brick just to run two of those cards (who wants to bet they won't support SLI)?

    Here's to hoping that a 450W-500W power brick somehow arrives on the market for the P770ZM's successor and that it fits in the same slot as the 330W brick and I can use it and I won't need to worry about multiple power bricks? =D? I hope 500W.
     
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    octiceps, you have said this several times now, but not backed it up with anything specific.

    I am sorry if your SLI rig is broken right now, but fix it, don't trash it :)

    The rest of us are running SLI just fine - and getting huge FPS increases.
     
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    D2 Ultima, I thought it was hinted that all the "990m" were going to need special cooling, water cooling as it turns out, so you would have to rig up water cooling into your SLI laptop to cool them :)
     
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    How long have you owned your GT80, like a month? Well, let's just say I've forgotten more about SLI than you'll ever know.
     
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    octiceps, the GT80 works so well in SLI because it was designed recently, using everything that has been learned since before SLI started. It's awesome :)
     
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    No, SLI is going absolutely down the drain right now, as a SLI user for the last two years and author of the SLI information guide pinned on LTT's forums, I declare this. If you want to know, read my guide (in my signature) thoroughly. All the upsides and downsides. It's been getting worse and worse an experience. It's not at a point where I tell people "don't SLI", but I tell them "get the strongest single card possible without a doubt before SLI-ing".

    I highly doubt that. If a 980M with a 300MHz core OC, 300MHz memory OC, voltage increase and proper number of VRMs with current cooling systems let them sit under 80c in most games, I'm pretty sure that 990M can be cooled in current laptops like the P37xSMx, P570WM and P7xxZM
     
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    Seriously, the only reason I even bother with SLI is because of games like the Witcher 3 where a single Titan X at 1440p would not be adequate
     
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    D2 Ultima, I have been using SLI since the beginning, and this has always been the feeling, for many many years now, and still SLI is with us, and still putting out the best performance.

    There have always been games that don't take advantage of SLI, and even the recent UE4 fiasco will pass, there is too much demand for SLI games - I won't buy non-SLI games - and I am sure there are many others that feel the same way.

    Why buy a non-SLI game when there is another cool game releasing that supports SLI? It will show in their bottom line quickly.

    Using the fastest GPU is recommended - don't SLI cards even 1 step down - get the fastest single GPU first. It's a good rule to follow, but if you can't afford it, SLI'ing another card over time when you can afford it is still fun, even dedicating a gen older card for PhysX is nice :)

    DX12 may flop due to Windows 10 only availability, with all the bad juju around Windows 10, what developer is going to jump on board that sinking ship now?

    SLI in a laptop is awesome, there is no way around it, it's just cool :)

    I do understand all the Alienware badness killed off SLI joy for a long time now, but that is only one screwed up manufacturer, that seems to be trying to make it right now.

    There are now so many other manufacturers shipping SLI solutions, it's actually a great time of renaissance for SLI :)
     
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    Splintah, so without SLI, you couldn't game in Witcher 3 at 1440p?

    Sounds like a win for SLI :)

    Do you go into the configuration and disable SLI every time you do something else?? Or do you let SLI run in everything, but only think you need it in Witcher 3? Do you enable DSR in other games?
     
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    I pretty much leave it on for everything with the exception of certain games that just don't like it, Dead Rising 3 comes to mind, that Ark game which I haven't tried yet would be another one. I have actually never tried DSR but I have been hearing about it. I should try it out.
     
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    Splintah, yeah, was going to buy the ARK: Survival Evolved game, but it doesn't support SLI on Windows 8.1 - so I will wait till they do, and buy other games that do support SLI instead :)

    "Does ARK: Survival Evolved support SLI?
    Currently with DX11, SLI is not supported - however when DX12 rolls around in the Summer, it will be."
    http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/613957600545122958/

    DSR comes on via GFE tunings, at least they have for me, or you can do it manually. It does help, and with all the headroom with an SLI GPU configuration, you don't notice the FPS hit, it just runs and looks great.

    MGS V optimized on GT80, DSR 2:1 set.
    GFE sets DSR for MGS V.JPG

    Dead Rising 3 – Enable NVidia SLI Support if you don't use GFE profiles.
    http://steamcommunity.com/app/265550/discussions/0/613935404125359416/

    Nvidia released GFE SLI profile for Dead Rising 3, 8/22/2014:
    http://steamcommunity.com/app/265550/discussions/0/613939841479465491
     
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    You don't know what you're talking about. Either you haven't been using SLI that long, or you haven't learned much about it, or you don't play a wide variety of games (non-AAA).
     
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    D2 Ultima, I thought all the other manufacturers for the 990m had the same cooling solution - they will also release water cooling, I am assuming.

    I don't think Asus would have gone through all that effort unless it needed to be done.

    Let us know how it works out if you end up giving it try :)
     
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    octiceps, so negative :)

    There are limits to SLI, yes of course, but it is better than not having it. It's as simple as that.

    You have a choice to run single GPU or SLI, why wouldn't you want that if it works, and it does work enough of the time to get it and have it available.

    It's not perfect, but it does so much good that it is worth having, if it is available.

    Looking at the positives is so much more beneficial than "trashing" everything ;)
     
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    hmscott, so :)
     
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    octiceps, "so" you miss out on all the positives, which are longer lasting and more fun :)
     
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    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

    I win
     
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    Can't wait until 2015 is over, so we can close this ridiculous thread, lol.
     
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    No, we need to talk about aliens, dancing cows and at least two instances of D2ultima-writing-a-book before this thread is getting closed.
     
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    Never fear, Bob is here!
     
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    J.Dre, looking forward to the "nVidia 2016 mobile speculation thread" when it opens?

    Let's get started now ;)

     
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    Yes, I'm ready for 2016 when the Aliens bring Pascal.
     
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    Imagine if you had some intelligence....

    Then you would understand that I never said it would 100% be GM200 but there was certainly possibilities that we would get that. But most importantly you would understand that a low clocked GM200 would match a high clocked GM204 but the user would have bigger overclocking headroom to unlock more performance. You know, for the benefit of gamers in this forum...

    You are so lost if you think a air cooled GTX 990M will only be as fast as GTX 980M. It will completely destroy a 980M.
    You have 33% more cores to play with and the TDP will not be 180W or 165W or whatever Notebookcheck posted. @Prema can probably brief you on exact TGP info but it will not be higher than 880M and my guess is that it could be lower. It really isnt that hard to understand. :p
     
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    Oh that's a great comeback!

    That's not what I said, is it, Mr. Intelligent?
     
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    So what is undocked? You were not referring to the GX notebook?
    Might want to word yourself differently if you are talking about something else.
     
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    I still doubt the existence of this GPU or believe it might be an Apple exclusive
     
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    I'll let you figure that one out yourself since insulting always comes before reading comprehension for you ;)
     
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    Nah I have better things to do than use energy to read between the lines of the posts from a troll.

    "Undocked" it will smoke GTX 980M. Stock vs stock it will be around 40-50% faster than 980M. Overclocked you have 33% more cores to get more performance out of than 980M. TDP of the chip will be much lower than the catastrophic picture you have been trying to paint about this GPU. If its worth it or not or if one should wait til Pascal, thats entirely subjective. Period

    Bye bye ;)
     
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    What the heck is that monstrosity
     
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    Turns out the ppl who kept saying it exists were right after all.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    That makes no sense. Apple is currently under contract with amd!
     
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    Technically it's not a 990M, lol.
     
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    It's like Asus decided they wanted to stay competitive with companies that were making E-GPU's but didn't want to give their customer's too much of an upgrade path so they went with a blower on the back of their laptop instead.
     
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    Auf Wiedersehen! :hi:
     
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    Splintah, but Asus did add upgradeability to the internal GPU of their new G752 laptops... didn't notice if the GX700 GPU was upgradeable...ok, so now I can't find where I read it :)

    Here are the specs for the G752, and the GPU's have multiple sized VRAM again, like when the G750 was "MXM" - non-standard MXM, but swappable.

    G752 specs.JPG
     
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    I don't think Asus actually gave the GPU a name yet... the GX700 isn't a released product.
     
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    Well, that's a pleasant surprise, I never expected them to do that
     
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    G752 is MXM?

    Pretty sure the GPU in "Dat Ass" is soldered...
     
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    alright enough goofing around here kids, time to bring out the big guns

    so Asus hid the 990m pretty well and all the info people can get is from DX diagnostic tools

    btw mods, feel free to add spoilers for me :p

    [​IMG]
    353.97, probably a beta driver lol, and "graphics device", c'mon you guys can do better than that...

    [​IMG]
    clocked at 1190MHz/5GHz core/mem, so essentially a downclocked GTX 980, VRAM is probably toned down for power purposes

    [​IMG]
    8GB of VRAM as expected, so let's cut the 16GB bs from now on. on a side note, device ID 10DE? interesting name...


    more info the GX700 here http://www.computerbase.de/2015-09/...hltes-laptop-mit-2.048-shader-gpu-von-nvidia/
    seems like this water cooling thing is only for the dock... and asus claims 80% higher perf with the dock, sounds more like throttled by 80% without the dock...

    edit: for those who actually believed in wu haijun, that man is known for leaking half true news, so I hope all of you took a grain of salt with whatever he says... 990m will not have 980m SLI performance by any means, maybe with a crazy OC
     
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    Knew it wouldn't have that level of performance from the get go. Pascal will stomp on it, though.
     
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