nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

I'm gonna wait all the laptop with skylake and 980m/990m come out and read some reviews, then make up my mind.
Plus, I read the preliminary review on i7-6700hq, it was conducted on G752 ES, it gave a feeling there are improvements, but not very much.


Boring boring Chelsea

 

The info in the chart is taken from screenshots of Nvidia Control System Info on the laptop itself. Do I need to make this any more clear for you?

 

I hope so, no need for me to upgrade then. Hey @D2 Ultima , how about you do a video of your overclocked 780ms against the 980ms using both synthetic and real world benchmarks?

 

octiceps, yes, and if I let someone take screen shots of the settings of my development workstation, the settings would be changed back to what I am actually using before they uploaded the photo's

 

When compared to the alienware with the water loop, what they have is a much thinner profile than that laptop. This may be why they choose to go with only one component water cooled. Also, there may be complications with the radiator design being so small in height, for comparison. To do it properly, I would suspect it would need a more powerful pump which could effect the height currently used, an apron of one fan cooling out the back and the side similar to the gt72 msi design, but on both sides, limiting options on placement of ports and creating issues of static pressure of the fans attempting to blow past radiator fins on two sides (one directional blower fans for laptops are inherently limited to around 12-15 max before static pressure is calculated, so by reducing the max cfm by having it blow on two sides, then adding back pressure, it may not be as good as one, even though the extra radiator space seems needed). But, for the height, I can see it and potentially applaud the effort. As I said, time will tell!

 

Are you really that dumb or just slow? That info is taken from the driver, not doctored.

 

ajc9988, yeah, I'd love to take the skins off of it and take a look too

 

octiceps, it's too easy to be told/fed what to believe, I will wait until we see the shipping product(s) with the 990m before I worry too much about those unpublished specs.

 

See, what I think they did is put an undersized pump in, kept cpu side unchanged, then tried to run the tube on top of the radiator fins (highly inefficient) or ran it through the fins as a traditional radiator, but constructed airflow. I believe it only blows out the back for the gpu, CPU is the side. You then, when docked, disable the internal gpu fan and have the large fan or two in the dock do the heavy lifting. But because the video card heat is primarily out of the case while docked, it then gives the cpu the overhead needed to OC. If I'm correct, it is the radiator, limiting the loop size, and a week pump due to thickness constraints that many would complain of. But I need a peek to know for sure!

 

Enough bickering. If you don't believe that ASUS intentionally let those pics get out so that they could avoid actually breaking the NDA themselves then you haven't been paying attention. It has been known for months that this chip would have a variable TDP of 100~190W depending on the cooling capabilities of the machine it was stuck in. There is no doubt in my mind that these images are real. I find it hilarious that people will believe a Chinese anonymous leak of a totally incomplete GPU-Z screenshot but when they get a legit screenshot from the driver control panel of a machine we know exists, they all of a sudden question what they are seeing...

 

I already have a firestrike bench of my 780Ms at 1058/6000 which has been easily beaten by even 970Ms in SLI without much OCing. What are you trying to find out?

 

Ethrem, it's software. It can change. BIOS / vbios isn't set in stone yet. Driver settings aren't finalized, these are all in process numbers. Likely reduced from tuned maximums to provide a solid demo platform.

Photo's taken from a development mule aren't worth wasting time over. If they turn out to be true, great, but taking off on flights of fancy based on those numbers is a waste of time.

It isn't solid factual product spec.

I also don't believe, or follow, rumor images from China, or Cleveland, or Silicon Valley... wait we don't see any from Cleveland or Silicon Valley... I wonder why?

 

It's easier to say this is an ES/QS and approximates. Everyone here gets that.

 

*facepalm*

ASUS wouldn't have left them with the machine if it wasn't final......

 

How about Berlin, Germany?

 

Look, like Prema(I believe...) posted, 990M is existed at April, I know a guy who have some connection with ASUS, who said gx700 could've launched at computed, but it didn't.
And honestly, I'm Chinese, that Hasee CEO sometime is just a loose cannon, he is the one said 990M=980MSLI. Truth is, it just a 980 desktop versions


Boring boring Chelsea

 

ajc9988, if that's the case, then, nevermind

 

octiceps, yes Berlin is in Germany, so they aren't rumors??, they are fact?!

Cool

 

Ethrem, they shouldn't have left them with the machine either way, but they did.

 

And why do you think they did that? It was a sneaky way to get around the NDA. These manufacturers aren't stupid...

 

QS run at same settings as final steps. ES usually is more tame. This would be QS or final stepping, hence what you'd most likely see on actual performance. They sometimes cherry pick machines to show also. So overall, I don't care what the numbers are. I'm not buying the card. I'm not buying the laptop. I'm just throwing things out. Anyone with a fairly recent machine or that can wait for after Zen/kaby lake, Pascal/Greenland should. It's a waste of money before then, therefore making this an intellectual self-indulgence (m*tion).

 

Ethrem, really, I thought we were calling them stupid earlier?

Now they are smart again?

What are they trying to ply us with now, by slyly releasing plain 'ol driver numbers outside of NDA?

Without benchmark results from OC/oV GPU CPU OC on the dock, and then compare those dock results against their best numbers off the dock on air, and then compare those against the air-cooling-only constrained 990m laptops, we really have nothing to talk about.

The quotes about 80%/20% aren't factual numbers backed up by anything. The data points from the driver dump are interesting, but not final - nor do they show both on/off dock performance benchmark results.

We have nothing, but a tease

 

And, until you buy, aren't they all a wonderful way to pass the time until your new laptop arrives on the scene

 

Haha. I have been a big time lurker on NBR and do not post much. That was just an impulsive reaction.
I think OEM are equally responsible for slow progress of Enthusiast level PC. From BGA non sense to lack of high frequency screen options, they could have done better. But most of them cater to mainstream and choose let nvidia / intel dictate them.
I still remember the time when "Alienware" used to be real alienware. Maybe i am getting old and letting the nostalgia take over.
And dont get me wrong, i love Asus and my current laptop is in fact G73JH. In my previous post i did mention that they deserve an A for trying something new. But I feel this effort is in wrong direction. And it will not have any long term benefit. It seems more of gimmick then anything else.

But who is saying gimmicks cant be fun
*looks at those rad 3D glasses

 

Stupid design decisions is not the same thing as finding a sneaky way around an NDA.

I fully believe the docked clocks... Those make sense... But undocked being basically a 980M is a rip off.

I don't plan on getting one. I'll wait for Pascal. But I fully believe the press leak.

 

Well, then if Asus on dock numbers are OC / Ov based on Water-cooled / high power best numbers, what are the air-cooled 990m's going to be capable of?

Less.

 

980M. I don't know how that is so hard to grasp... Use the dock for maximum performance, don't use the dock for standard 980M mobile performance. Really it is a big gimmick and probably won't sell that well, especially based on pricing compared to the machines Clevo will kick out.

 

Ethrem, it's likely the GX700 on dock will outperform any other laptop except for SLI laptops.

No stock single GPU 980m or 990m will be faster than the on dock GX700?

If it was only a few hundred more than an air-cooled 990m, I bet it would fly off the shelves

 

In a market that favors thin and light? Doubtful, especially since the 980M is fast on its own and doesn't need a large chassis to stay cool.

 

I'm going to go with the Clevo models performing just as well if not better than the docked 990M cards in the ASUS.

 

Well, all I can say is a crippled ASUS laptop that only runs well when tethered to a liquid cooling dock makes about as much sense as a crippled Alienware laptop that only runs well when tethered to an eGPU. These are both built on a concept of compromise, which means that at the end of the day they are really not capable of doing anything as well as they might if they were built right to begin with. So, neither one can overclock or run full blast without their tabletop crutch... nice! As Forest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does." If you buy a notebook that has to be chained to a desk, why not just do something that can actually be viewed as awesome and buy a real extreme performance laptop or build yourself a desktop and just be done with it. A real man's machine will overclock like a bat out of hell sitting in your lap in a recliner, sitting on your belly in a hotel room bed while traveling abroad, or sitting on a desk. Jokebooks always involve compromise and a "yeah but" excuse. Looking at this back forth silly-goose bickering... man, ROFLMAO.

 

I doubt Clevo will push the clocks as high. Once tweaked, its quite possible depending on how well they are binning the chips and how flat Foxconn makes the heatsinks (they're not too great with that)...

 

Well, could have been worse - at least it's not paired with ULV CPU

 

I'll have you know my SU7300 with a G210 played L4D2 at a whopping 1366 x 768 and only lagged when I looked into fire!
Best part was how my Wireless Logitech Headset alone used up 10% CPU.

 

Haha, thanks, you made me laugh with this imagery - very colourful!

 

How much do you want to bet somebody will do it.

I'm damn sure at some point somebody is going to shove a ULV chip into a chassis with two 980Ms

 

@hmscott , I generally try to avoid giving my opinions especially on such threads but the 990M is winding up to be the "880M"fiasco all over again with maybe only 3% at the most working as it should. The fact that it runs hotter than a 980m and needs this radiator to achieve "full performance" makes it even more of a gimmick and a waste of money. @Mr. Fox is able to achieve impressive overclocks with his 980ms (and 780ms alike) without the need of an "extension" if you will boosting his performance. At this point, I would strongly consider building a desktop. Keep in mind that the radiator is not replaceable nor refillable leaving no options but to buy a whole new one.

@D2 Ultima , that's impressive. The highest 980m sli vs 880m sli score is 24000 vs 15000 respectively which is fantastic if you ask me.

 

Did an ASUS rep key your car or something?

The point is you can undock it and have a reasonably sized notebook to lug around, then dock it when you're home. Mr Fox's machine is > 6kg no matter what. That's the point of an extension. I think if it was less ugly people would be complaining less.

 

And what happens when that nozzle that protects the system from leaking inevitably breaks? I'm not sold on the idea... At all.

 

Like some of the others, I commend ASUS for daring to take a risk even if it ended up looking like "colostomy bag" ( you had me in fits !!! @Mr. Fox )

I don't see the niche demographic for this product at all. I could somewhat resonate to a degree with the new AW's external GPU (minus the BGA initiative ). But a docking GPU cooler What a fizzer...

Having to be tethered to a desk and connected up to an external device to function at full capacity doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
Especially not when they can still be spanked by standard air cooler beasts.

 

I think it would be awesome if it was able to take a desktop GPU...

 

Really bro, really? There is a fine line between a Laptop and a desktop. Having a desktop GPU or a graphics amplifier or even this crap that Asus is doing does not adhere to what a laptop should be. Like I said, at this point, you are better off building your own rig cause you'll most probably need to trade in your soul so as to afford these "Revolutionary Laptops" lol.

 

Man, that's a monster rig you got there. How much for the beast?

 

It was 600 when I got it new. It's got a broken piece on the screen corner but since you can use asus turboboost to get it up to 1.7GHz, I'll charge the vintage price of 500. It's even got the old optimus where it changes cards without rebooting and the system doesn't see the iGPU when the dGPU is connected. Did I mention the non existent fan intake ? Only sports a fan exhaust !
Good ol' Asus Ul30Vt.

 

That's a bargain price dude, nice. Can I play Crysis 3 on it? I get on average 40fps in Crysis 3 maxed out and 8 XMSAA. If it can beat that, I'll def take it.

 

For that price I would take it too lol

 

All this rhetoric about how people should just wait for Kabylake / Pascel reminds me alot of last year when I was being told to wait for Skylake / Maxwell. My eyes are bleeding tears of blood with this GT555m. Maybe I should wait for some Grandfalls/SuperVidia before upgrading or some ****.

 

Go the middle way, buy 970m and upgrade if it's worth, else you got a good card anyway. I'm kinda the opposite of these waiting ppl, I just buy what's currently good, as long as it satisfies my games. (Thats mainly because I need it now) It keeps GW2 on max settings always over 23fps (except giant world events, but desktop struggles with that too)

 

No, nothing against ASUS per se. To be totally fair and honest, I loathe ALL BGA crap no matter whose name is pasted on the chassis. I am probably the most bitter toward Alienware for being a sell-out even though they have been my brand of choice for a very long time... but, I guess nothing lasts forever. I am no longer a fanboy for the brand... they are traitors, LOL. Their new BGA crap is still crap like everything else that uses BGA CPU and/or GPU. It's the design that I have a problem with and refuse to accept. Unfortunately, this is all ASUS has ever offered in a laptop, along with proprietary GPUs and other forms of crippling. As such, all they have ever sold has been a jokebook, but they are not alone in their garbage production, as others OEMs offer equally pathetic notebook trash. Now, if we are talking desktops, that's a different matter... ASUS Rampage Extreme mobo product line FTW... nothing better!

The point that many, perhaps most, fans of thin and light seem to miss is Mr. Fox and others like me specifically want massive, heavy and extremely powerful laptops that require no extension. A fully unlocked mobile Extreme or desktop K or X socketed CPU and dual MXM graphics are minimum system requirements and anything less than that is deemed absolutely unacceptable. Ugly doesn't stop me... I like awesome aesthics, but brute force trumps everything. The real point is, there needs to be options for everyone. People that like thin and light have plenty of options, but the trend in technology is taking a Procrustean approach and we can all have whatever we want as long as it is a crippled, emasculated, service compromised BGA pile of feces. To say that I, and others that share the same passion, am disappointed the legitimate über-beast notebooks are a dying breed would be a massive understatement.

What this ultimately means is when nobody sells laptops that interest me, nobody will be getting any of my money. I'll use a cheap disposable Android tablet or a crappy consumer grade $300 laptop for mobility, toss it a dumpster when it breaks and buy another one, and go back to having fun with computing using an über-beast desktop instead of a laptop.

 

Heh just kidding about the GT555m right now. I'm just pointing out how silly I think some of the stuff being said so far seems to me. =) Bought a GTX960m Acer back in April I'm using right now as a waiting laptop till I see some of the new stuff being released this year. I just dunno if a single GTX980m will be good enough for the multiplayer crew Star Citizen stuff at the end of the year that's all I'm worried about.

P.S I also play GW2 but I think the expansion costs too much, still on the fence about buying it when there's gonna be so many games at the end of the year coming out. Surprised your GTX970m only gets 23 FPS. Makes me a bit sad. Hope Skylake will help GW2 out alot since it seems to be very CPU bound although a 6700 only has the same clocks as a 4720HQ right now. Eager to see the reviews of skylake in gaming benchmarks.