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    nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2015.

  1. D2 Ultima

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    None in gaming, at least thus far. If nVidia does one thing, it's that it makes sure its cards can game properly.

    Other tech like SLI? GPU-accelerated rendering? Workstation-class programs? Not so much. Even quadros are literally pointless from a hardware perspective (at least since Kepler). You're paying the thousands extra for the drivers and support, not the hardware.

    Don't be taken in with Pascal's claims of grandeur. We'll see what it turns up with come paper launch. I expect Pascal to do three things:
    1 - Be as big a jump from Maxwell as Kepler was from Fermi.
    2 - Have a XDMA-style design for SFR support with DX12
    3 - Launch with GP104 (GTX 970/980 replacement) instead of GP100 (GTX 980Ti/TitanX replacement) and have gimped mobile cards on launch with more restrictive drivers.
    and if it does anything else at all, I'll be beyond surprised.
     
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    Why does the 980M perform more poorly in cutscenes compared to the desktop cards, even normally weaker GTX 960?

     
    moviemarketing, Sep 18, 2015
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    umm.....right. how abouuuut comparing a 980M coupled with a 4790K with identically equipped desktop gpus, huh? :p that crappy 4720HQ just wont cut it in this comparison...apples to oranges!
     
    jaybee83, Sep 18, 2015
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    People always overlook just how BAD those chips are...
     
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    The 4790k helped the 980M much more than I ever thought it would. Definitely one of the amazing things about the Clevo P750ZM.
     
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    Yes, obviously it's not a fair comparison, but why did the 980M do so much more poorly during cutscenes compared to regular gameplay?

    Are cutscenes really that much more CPU dependent, or is there some other reason why 980M has trouble with cutscenes?

    Regular gameplay was close to GTX 970 for the most part, but during cutscenes the performance was often worse than GTX 960.
     
    moviemarketing, Sep 18, 2015
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    hard to say, could be helpful to check the clocks during cutscenes, maybe the more aggressive power saving profiles in the mobile chips did their part there...
     
    jaybee83, Sep 18, 2015
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  9. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Played following 4k 60fps video:

    My Batman played it fine, minimal dropped frames, like 10-20 out of whole video and was really smooth.. Can't say same when it came to the M17x R4 with 3940XM doing it... It just didn't work on that...
     
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    Asus could be using desktop GTX 980 and thats why they designed a water cooling unit to deal with the heat. The reports that the card throttle down to GTX 980M performance (ie 2048 cores > 1536 cores) when "unplugged" is because the card is built to throttle to keep heat at bay.

    Other OEMs might wait a little longer and go with mobile GTX 990M.

    That could be the basis of 100W-180W variable TDP bs thats been rumored for a while.

    Prema said two versions will come:
    13DA: regular version
    161A: g-sync version

    13DA could be GTX 980 while 161A is 990M.
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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    If that were the case, why bother keeping the GPU model number a secret?
     
    moviemarketing, Sep 20, 2015
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    A GTX990M doesn't exist:

    http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?p=144538
     
    Prema, Sep 20, 2015
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    It was such a stupid mistake branding it like that. What are they going to do about future chips? The full GM204 makes some sense but it's going to cause more confusion than anything else unless nVidia plans to launch full chips out of the gate and block overclocking or something (which I wouldn't put past them).
     
    Ethrem, Sep 20, 2015
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    So if GTX 990M doesnt exist, is there a different name and is it one or two chips?
    If its one chip, and it have a 180W TPD like the one Asus use, it means Nvidia have had zero improvements on voltage and Maxwell is incapable of going lower. When was the last time that happened?

    Its not a secret, the name is just not added to the driver.
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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    Maybe it has more to do with nVidia wanting to keep the lower tier chips and force a hefty premium for the full die in the form of a DTR. I'll be amazed if we see this chip outside of the DM models from Clevo and comparable machines by other manufacturers. Well, see it as it's full potential anyway. No doubt someone will stuff one in a thin and light and run it at 90C...
     
    Ethrem, Sep 20, 2015
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    There is only the E-GXX aka mobile GTX980 (in regular and g-sync flavor).

    Naming was probably a legal move as many mobile mxm systems, where their user where promised upgrade-ability for all coming mobile GPUs, may not have been build to handle it too well.
     
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    From what I understand, Prema is the only one working on custom bios to support cards that technically fit, but arent supported by manufacturer bios.

    Is it a hard thing to do ? If Prema retired, could we do it ?
    Just wondering. (Hope this didnt come out rude)

    Its just this part "As usual we as Clevo community will probably have to take care of the P7xxZM (especially for the g-sync part), P570WM, P37..." left me wondering, if not for Prema, we would be left standing in the rain right ?
     
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    So is it on MXM or is it totally different?
    And does it have lower TDP than 180W (= lower voltage = mobile card)? I mean there is a huge difference between 180W and 100W, and I can`t understand that a SKU of the same core can have such huge difference even with downclocking. It almost sounds like one is desktop while the other is mobile...

    Talk about confusing people lol
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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    QQ GT72/GT80 owners
     
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    I mean in the press kits for the GX700. Asus refers to a new Nvidia graphics card without model number.
     
    moviemarketing, Sep 20, 2015
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    Asus would be in a huge legal pain if they named an unreleased card. Gotta wait for Nvidia to announce it first. People discovered the specs by using software which Asus didnt intend to happen :)
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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    And yet they did just that at IFA Berlin by leaving GX700 units out in the open allowing tech journalists to "discover" the specs for themselves
     
    octiceps, Sep 20, 2015
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    Yeah that wasnt exactly smart thing to do. But why do we care? We got the specs :)
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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    Yes, this is what I'm saying. If it were simply desktop 980 card, why would they bother keeping the model name a secret.

    Wouldn't Asus be tooting its own horn after designing a laptop that can cool the desktop GTX 980, which has already been on the market for some time?
     
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    Good point. I have no idea.
    I guess it could be Asus, not Nvidia, that didnt want to disclose which GPU they use either if it is a GTX 980.

    Everything about this GPU(s) confuse the hell out of me
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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  28. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I wasn't very certain about this gen naming - 990M/Mobile 980, but I'm pretty certain that if Mobile 980 turns successful, next gen would match desktop and mobile parts for the first time since... 8xxxm(?). This way you wont have to wonder how exactly your laptop is going to perform compared to a desktop. Of course there are TONS of other factors (*cough*gimpedBGACPUs*cough*), one of which would be that they wont be clock for clock equal, just roughly so (but they wont be the quite different parts that they are now - 980 DT and 980m). I'll just sit here and see how it all unfolds next year.
     
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    No, Go 7xxx
     
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    With HBM I suppose it is quite possible. Right now we have a memory bottleneck... But wouldn't that kill nVidia's milking strategy?
     
    Ethrem, Sep 20, 2015
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    Pascal and HBM, when everything will be soldered.

    That will be fun. Gonna be interesting to see the decline of forum activity once the upgrade options are gone :tears:
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 20, 2015
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    Kinda lost patience for this thing...


    Boring boring Chelsea
     
    geniusfb, Sep 20, 2015
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    yeah itll all be like:

    - which soldered crap to buy
    - how long to keep soldered crap
    - soldered crap died 1 day out of warranty
    - rinse and repeat

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
    jaybee83, Sep 20, 2015
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  34. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    You forgot

    - how much throttling do you want
    - how much damage do you want to do to your ears

    :D
     
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    well thats the thing though (ask ultima!), even with LN2 ull get hardcoded throttling with BGA cpus :p so theres no question concerning throttling, ull just get it! :confused:
     
    jaybee83, Sep 20, 2015
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    ...or do we...???
     
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    What about MSI's guaranteed MXM upgrades?
     
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    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    OK, even worse.

    Who said that they wont milk the desktops as well? People were swapping (and probably still are) gimped 970s for 980s, they KNOW that people would buy whatever they throw at them.
     
    triturbo, Sep 20, 2015
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    Zero989, MSI will keep waiting for a new gen MXM release to use in an upgrade...that never arrives... :cool:
     
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    sure, thatll be two years / two gens / two rebrands, and then...? depends on if they renew that promise for upcoming machines or just leave it at that original one...

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    It all depends on how competitive AMD can get really. If the Fury X wasn't so expensive I'd rip out this piece of crap 780 Ti with the worst warbling I've ever heard and replace it with the Fury.

    As for MSI, they make their own cards, they'll keep their MXM promise, at least with this gen. Depending on how big Pascal ends up being, they might be in trouble for MXM.
     
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    yep, theyd have to go out of official spec, especially if nvidia decides not to update it in order to enforce all soldered mobile gpus...

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    To be fair, before Nvidia embarked on their big die strategy starting with G80, flagship desktop GPUs used a lot less power. A 7800 GTX in full desktop trim was only 86W, so they didn't have to do much cutting down for laptops. A G70 or G71 could be crammed into a mobile card with all its pipes intact and a slight underclock.

    All bets were off though from G80 on. Just look at the TDP progression from GTX 7800-8800-280-480. 86W-145W-236W-250W.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hundreds of threads per week with constant nagging, questions and comparisons of exactly the same systems only different brands since thats the only thing left for mobile.

    After a while people get so used to soldered components that nobody really opens the system up anymore and whoever does it and install SSD get status of extreme modder or something.

    It will be fun :p

    Dont worry, you will still get the usual rebrands with the same number as the Pascal cards. The rebrands is technically "new generation" and is still on MXM lol
     
    Cloudfire, Sep 21, 2015
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    Haha, we'll have to get a desktop!
     
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    Every single time I show people the inside of my laptop or tell them I have a 120Hz internal screen and it's not an "overpriced Alienware" anywhere but on NBR their minds are blown.

    FAR LESS SHOW THEM A FIRESTRIKE RUN
     
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    haha omg, so funny and so sad at the same time! extreme modding with ssd exchange! :eek:
     
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    LOL
     
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    but hairworks!
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    TressFX > Hair(doesn't)works :p

    And Gameworks is more like Gamewrekt amirite
     
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