nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

There are different solutions for different systems. Asus usual "MXM-ish" design, regular MXM type B as well as a larger "MXM-based" module with a higher wattage design.

 

So anyone who has a vessel account should check this out:
https://www.vessel.com/videos/BWdVU8Zsx

There are some shots of a new Clevo machine in there.

Edit: Youtube also avilable, link below this post

 

It's a new Clevo P870DM

And, the youtube video is available:


And, a few more

World's Fastest Mobile GPU - Full GM204 GTX 980 for Notebooks


NVIDIA Desktop GTX 980... In a Notebook?!


GeForce GTX 980s are Coming to Laptops!

 

Yeah I saw thanks! Previous post edited.

 

Argh, why do they call it desktop chip when it clearly is mobile/MXM?

¨http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/nvidia-desktop-gpus-gaming-laptops

 

Because it's a full desktop GPU right down to removal of the +135MHz limit and actually having 7Gbps RAM. They needed a way to show there is a difference. A big one.

 

+6.2% from my highest firestrike score and +10.6% from my stable oc score

ok, good to know theres no need for an upgrade yet

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That MSI at 1421MHz would have posted a nice score.

 

Out of all the models, I'm really curious how exactly Aorus gonna make it


Boring boring Chelsea

 

It's a desktop CHIP isn't it? Just on a mobile MXM board.

 

Probably would have been a little better for sales to call it a 990M.

Having multiple similarly named cards is a bit confusing. Many consumers buying gaming laptops are not knowledgeable about the details that distinguish 980M from GTX 980 or now the "GTX 980 for Notebooks," but they know the 980 has been out for about a year now.

Giving it a new model name would have made these laptops sound a bit more exciting, something brand new on the market.

 

I'm curious how its real world performance is gonna be. if its near identical to full 980 i might as well buy this if its not a whole lot more.

also i wonder if they are going to do this with pascal.

and someone mentioned the gt80 getting two?

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People spending the kind of money these machines will command will know what they're getting. I don't think there will be a lot of these. NVidia is having to do some serious binning to cut them down to the various TDP levels.

 

Yep



Also there is more info available here:
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/44371...-un-pc-portable-c-est-maintenant-possible.htm

 

hoo boy. im gonna have to sit down to read this link. lol

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oh yes, no doubt about that! i just have my own philosophy on upgrading: take my overclocked scores and compare them to the new hardware's stock - if the difference is larger than +50%, its worth upgrading to
reason being that both values would be secured/stable, since no one can guarrantee me any specific oc clocks on the specific piece of hardware i would receive

all gaming benchmarks released thus far point to a performance difference of less than 5% compared with a regular desktop 980.

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The desktop comparisons are kind of misleading... 4770K does not equal 6700K. There is likely a wider gap between them when it's an apples to apples comparison.

 

Right... not an expert in desktop processors, but from the preliminary benchmarks I saw, wouldn't the gap between the two cpu's be in favour of 6700K?

 

yes it would. so the desktop running the 4770K should score a tad higher with a 6700K, thus slightly widening the gap between desktop 980 and desktop 980 mobile

 

Depends on the benchmark, but the ones run so far are not very CPU dependent at all. Stuff like FS Graphics Test, Heaven, and especially Tomb Raider, which basically doesn't care what CPU you have as it's like the most GPU-bound test ever. Plus the 980 is not so powerful as to see any sort of meaningful increase because of +300 MHz going from 4770K to 6700K esp. since the IPC increase from Haswell to Skylake is only 5%.

 

octiceps is right, in any case the 980 mobile is in every sense a desktop 980

 

Digitalfoundry's comparison was interesting to watch

 

That was with a Titan X in GTA V which is a known destroyer of CPUs

 

Make it easy on yourself, forget mobile or desktop just call it a 980

 

Looks like it's being branded as just '980' instead of 990M.

My 980M feels obselete

On the other hand at least I can be safe in the knowledge that I still have the fastest mobile 'M' GPU from NVIDIA. I guess that provides a little consolation. I therefore like the way they've branded this.

 

If you think this makes your 980M feel obsolete, just wait until Pascal. All this is - while incredible - is a GTX 980 in a laptop. That's it.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

 

haha dont make the mistake to WANT to have something just cuz its new n shiny 980 at stock outperforms my stable oc by a mere 10%, if you look at the highest firestrike score i ever achieved its just 6%. so not worth upgrading to, rather wait for pascal

 

Oh yeah, I'll be saving for Pascal as soon as I can find a job - much easier said than done though.

They've kind of painted themselves into a corner. They can't go back to the M nomenclature next year as everyone will see it as a huge downgrade, no matter the hardware (because marketing). So I guess we can expect the full desktop Pascal lineup to be exactly the same as the mobile lineup and branded as such. Except desktop will have a higher tier option like a 1080Ti available or something along those lines.

Oh and can we finally now stop proclaiming the death of mobile gaming? Because I think it's safe to say, what with the fully unlocked overclocking and whatnot with these 980s and fully unlocked Skylake desktop CPUs in laptops, that mobile gaming is more desktop like than ever before.

 

This is why I went with a 970m. Save$300 now, get flagship Pascal or amd next year! Guaranteed to meet the standard of 50% you set for yourself! ;-) be satisfied until Volta or 10nm...

 

I thought it was primarily phones and tablets that people are gaming on, not desktops and laptops.

BTW can you add me on Facebook and water my crops?

 

...testing logic...

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...error...

...does not compute...

 

oooh trust me, i know that itch only too well! just gotta slap myself every once in a while to come back on track

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Well at least I can be distracted by the fact I'm upgrading my phone from 2 year old Nexus 5 to a super shiny new Sony Xperia Z5 Compact next week! Literally shiny because it's made of glass. That should help ease the emotional pain caused by this announcement. I can't wait. MUST HAVE MORE SHINY!

 

why don't wait for the new nexus 5 next week? it's not like SD810 won't throttle with dual pipes...

 

The fact that the 980 won't be offered in anything smaller than 17.3" form factor makes me feel better about my 980M. Still the best in 15.6" form factor! It can at least retain that title until Pascal.

Dual heat pipes and thermal paste. And why the lack of optimism? It's been proven that the Z5 range can record 4K video longer than any other 2015 flagship (even S6 and G4), because it can control the heat much better. Dual heatpipes > single heatpipe. I have faith

 

ha, same here buddy! but instead of a Z5 ill be swapping out my N5 with a huawei nexus 6P, cant wait! 6 more days until official announcement, yehaw! i was really considering going non-nexus this time around (Z5 series, S6 series, etc), but i just cant resist the software factor add to that the battery capacity, which is just larger in the n6p than in any other phone ive checked. also, this time it has to be a phablet!

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I tried going phablet with 5.5" Moto X Play and it didn't work out so I returned it. Sure, I could use it two handed, but it wasn't as comfortable in my pockets as my previous smaller phones which was the deal breaker.

I'm sure the Nexus phones will be great

Sony's been making progress with their skin and it's very stock Android-like in the Z5's. Also, I've just read a reliable review of the Compact (from The Guardian) where they state three day battery life without using power saving mode - the hype train is at full throttle!

 

let's get real here, qualcomm f'd up hard this year, SD810 if anything is the closest representation of the 880M in smartphones. even with dual heat pipes and thermal paste, where is the heat going? let's take a few guesses here:
if it's trying to go outside, then you end up feeling it toasting your hand like the one m9
if it's just stagnating inside, then not much a difference is made

the problem with a smartphone is that it just can't have any active cooling systems. you can't let the user get burned, but you also can't heat the SoC up too much, which makes you end up with throttling... then comes the question, if you are getting an octa core that can only use 6 cores 90% of the time, why bother getting the octa core?

this is the kind of problem you see in a near-monopoly market. OEMs just lazily relies on qualcomm for everything, and when qualcomm takes a chilling year, they all get screwed one way or another. the even sadder and more ironic thing is that you can almost replace qualcomm with nvidia in most of what I just said

don't get me wrong, the Z5 series does look promising and impressive, it's just that I don't think the SD810 is worth getting at all especially with qualcomm rushing out the next gen SD620 with A72s and their own new custom Kryo cores soon enough. after all this generation of snapdragon is really the 800M series of smartphones

 

GTX 980 card for mobile is coming in MXM form factor, but doesn't look like a standard MXM card - note that the PCB extends a few cm to the left beyond the contacts - it's not a plain rectangular card in other words. Have a look at the first pic at this link:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-brings-full-geforce-gtx-980-towards-laptops.html

Definitely won't fit in existing laptops then!

 

There will be a standard MXM 3.0b version that will have a cut down TDP.

 

W00t w00000000t!

which is already rumored to exist in the MSI GT80, since Prema confirmed that the full-fledged non-MXM card does not have SLI capability

 

So they are going with the silly variable TDP thing? If there's a large difference in performance between all these 980's then I think it's a bit misleading to the consumer unless benchmarks and specifications are explicitly made clear in all the OEMs marketing.

Also, looks like my naming predictions were half right. I thought they'd call it a 1080M because they wouldn't want to use the 990M nomenclature. I was right about the last part but way off the charts about the former bit!

I'll be the first to predict that next year there will be no 'M' GPUs, just a single product lineup that spans both desktop and laptop alike. The desktop will retain exclusivity of the highest end Ti chips but other than that the lineup will be identical. It hath been foretold!

Argh! Don't apply the brakes on the hype train! It must reach its destination precisely on time!

Anandtech did a piece recently where they found that Android is much more multi-threaded than anyone previously realised. It easily makes use of octa-cores (even MediaTek deca-cores) in everyday usage such as installing apps and web browsing via Chrome: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9518/the-mobile-cpu-corecount-debate

And even if Sony can't escape the throttle monster (again it has the best defences of any OEM with dual heatpipes), then I'd still likely be happy with it. The 810 comes with the Adreno 430 GPU which is still a lot more powerful than the Adreno 418 in the 808 of the Nexus 5X. There are other (no less important) reasons why I chose Z5 Compact over the Nexus 5X too - from what I've learnt of the latter through the numerous leaks; size, storage, battery and fingerprint scanner location being the main ones. Sure, I could wait for shiny 820 to arrive next year if I really wanted to, but that's still many moons away and my Nexus 5's battery life and oleophobic display coating is wearing thin.

 

If you guys want to discuss smartphones, we have a forum for that - http://forum.notebookreview.com/forums/smartphones-and-tablets.1120/

As for the variable TDP of the 980, its unavoidable. You can't stick a 200W board like Clevo is using in the P870DM and P775DM in a smaller form factor with inadequate cooling. I don't really think the average consumer is going to care. Those of us that do care will do our research before purchase anyway.

 

Only the P870DM card is the full blown 200W edition, the P775DM already uses a slightly "cut-down" 180W version.

One thing is for sure, whoever is gonna offer a GXX in standard MXM-B package is going to make huge bucks in the upgrade market place.

A single GXX in an SLI system makes little sense if SLI 980M can easily beat it.

Heck even a single 980M could already be OCed to match or even beat a stock 980 back in January:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3685189

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3685371

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4569428

 

Doh! Forgot about the cut down version lol. But realistically, that 20W difference should easily be able to be made up in overclocking.

 

Ohh we have a smartphone section now? Cool!

And isn't desktop 980 165W? Why is this new identically clocked 980 higher power than there original desktop one? :S

 

i take it youre not going for a 980 in your phoenix then?

its not clocked higher, it just has better cooling capacity of up to 200W and more power phases installed for higher stability in high-power-draw situations such as OVERCLOCKING! @Prema: waiting for pictures of that GARGANTUAN P870DM 980 6 pipe heatsink!

 

Overclocking. Ah so strange to hear it in this context, considering the driver blocking shenanigans they pulled earlier this year.

Do you think they integrated this extreme overclocking capability into the '980 for mobile' before or after the backlash from clockblock-gate?

 

they pulled those exactly in order to prepare for the 980 monster same goes for the crippled 980M power phase situation! it actually has less of those installed than previous mobile flaghips like 880M / 780M! so my guess is that it was their plan all along to market the 980 with its overclocking ability and to artificially keep the 980M away from it, otherwise....who in their right mind with proper oc knowledge and a pimped up 980M would upgrade to a 980? its just business...

 

Ewww... business. Bleh