nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

Lol we have had a smartphone section for a good while now.

 

So given the 980 release, info on engineering samples of Pascal being tested in India and HBM2 being sourced from Hynix and Samsung for Q1 full-rate production, I think a Q1 2016 (March) announcement and early Q2 (Mid-April) availability of Pascal looks pretty good.

I agree that next gen will have the same card for mobile and desktop I just hope they can release an updated 970/980 for desktop and mobile at the same time, although if they can I am sure they will. The PR value of that alone would be worth them making the effort.

 

im not convinced yet that ONE marketing stunt of a desktop gpu in a laptop is already enough to change out the whole future line of gpus... i mean, seriously? u guys pretend like the whole computer market today is made for and of enthusiast products well, thats not the case! ultrabooks, thin and light, soldered components, thats the new trend! thats what hipster joe buys and wants, and thats what makes up the lion´s share of the total market volume! so if you ask me: nope, not gonna happen @ALL desktop gpus in laptops. its gonna be a titan thing, for the nonplusultra devices, whereas the rest is just gonna be the same as before

 

Heh that actually makes a lotta sense. Why would anyone want to buy this "980", when you could easily overclock your 980M to around the same performance? If it's an argument about TDP, well apparently the "980" requires external watercooling to run full tilt, so there's probably ZERO overclocking headroom left.

Suddenly makes sense why nVidia wanted to block mobile overclocking -- force people to "upgrade" for more performance. I'm glad we made as much noise as we did and made them cave in.

 

Completely agree - although popular among NBR members, the target market for this kind of enthusiast laptop is still a rather small niche.

Whenever Internet bandwidth/latency finally catches up, I imagine most people will be using relatively weak tablets for gaming and demanding applications, with the heavy lifting offloaded to remote servers.

In the meantime, however, with growing popularity of demanding games and more people streaming and editing their own video content, hopefully there will be greater demand for laptops that can handle these kinds of tasks.

 

Only in this thread you will find:

"Its a shame that all the attention is being payed to light laptops and nothing being done for enthusiast level laptops. We are happy with our big bulky machines as long as it stays portable and deliver performance."​

Then comes Asus watrecooled laptop and comments changed to

"This laptop is useless because its too big and difficult to carry around"​

Also, in the begining

"Nvidia is not doing anything for laptop enthusiast who wants performance. 990M is a Unicron card and is a product of Cloudfire's imagination. There is no way you can put a desktop 980 in a laptop. the world would implode"​

Then comes the GTX980 and then

"This card is useless because my super-clocked, turbo charged, gold plated 980m can come "close" to its stock."
​

Come on guys, cant we just pause complaining and appreciate that fact something is being done for us.
Nvidia (and OEM offering GTX980) could have easily waited till pascal without doing anything.

 

haha, loving it! youre totally right, but keep in mind that those points come from different people with different mindsets

also, discussing potential specs of upcoming gpus and in the end deciding to actually upgrade to them are also two very different things

my take on this:

- definitely too many thin and light laptops
- BGA crap ruining most of the market for enthusiasts
- that watercooled laptop IS useless indeed! if u want MOAR POWAH, go for P870DM or P775DM (full performance, no dock required)
- nvidia is indeed NOT doing anything for laptop enthusiasts, but rather everything for their own pockets why do u think they tried to block mobile overclocking and also installed a smaller amount of power phases on the 980M compared with earlier mobile flagships? which brings me to the last point:
- in order to artificially cripple the 980M and promote the 980 even with the restricted power feed, but luckily with unlocked vBIOS and overclocking, one is indeed able to even BEAT a full-fledged 200W TDP 980 with a "lowly" 980M

so yeah, 980 is great! but not with watercooling (might get a desktop instead with that "mobility") and not if youre already sporting a 980M. no contradictions there, if u ask me

 

The Notebook-worlds "word of the year 2015"!

 

Nah I like jokebook and junkbook better

 

I can totally understand what you are saying. But all i am saying that we should at least appreciate that some innovation is being done. The end result may not be great but it can improve. Dislike the product, not the concept. I know that Asus watercooled laptop is not of much use (apart for somebody with some specif needs), but at least its a start. Maybe it will lead the way to a self contained watercolled laptop some day.

Same with this GTX980. Haven't we all dreamnt that day that when laptop flagships will equal the performance of desktop flagship?
It may not be perfect but its a step in the right direction. Comparing OCed 980m to stock GTX980 is not fair.

And yes I completely agree that Nvidia is cash grabbing company and their intentions are selfish. I hate them for all this BGA and clock-block shenanigans. Not only that I hate them even more for their other monopolistic behavior. But I also don’t understand that why people give a free pass to OEMs. I think they are equally responsible. In the end Nvidia is a supplier and OEMs are their customer. Customer has the power to dictate supplier. For reference look at desktop cards. Nvidia puts a lot more efforts in these because their customers are us (consumers). They don’t have to worry about compatibility with other OEMs.

But yea this is just my opinion

 

*From one year ago

But it used to be 3-4 years ago, so it's definitely an improvement.

 

Exactly! Unifying desktop and laptop product lineups would create stronger branding and reduce confusion among the Average Joe's out there. We've all seen the forum posts questioning whether a 780M is the same as a desktop 780 and whatnot.

They could have easily gone with M branding this time around. They did with 780M/880M. No, this is the advent of something new. They are testing the waters for Pascal. I feel it in my bones.

One lineup to rule them all. One marketing budget. Stronger, unified branding. Less confusion among tech novices.

 

*cough* 9800GTX+ vs GTX 280M (MXM3 ver) *cough*
It used to happen; just every other gen =D.

This is why when the whole soldered-only came out, I reached out to Eurocom and others and told them that sockets need to come back, and they confirmed they had the potential to give feedback. And I encouraged users here to do the same. And Mr. Fox and others have done the same to Dell (and received responses back claiming that nobody cared about sockets/MXM and they didn't feel like it helped the market anymore). ASUS never let people upgrade anyway, they're a dead end. No idea why people keep buying them. MSI went the whole "upgrade-able! We guarantee it!" route too, even though it didn't apply to the CPUs.

 

And jacked up its prices like crazy

 

Yeah. Remember my old video? P377SM-A with SLI 980Ms and equal amounts of (named) SSD storage costing less than a GT72 with a single 980M?

I mean I know MSI was always on the expensive side of things, but I figured their steelseries keyboards and better audio probably made up for a $150 or so difference in price. But this time around was a joke. Hell, someone pieced out a GT80 Titan for over $5000 and I went on Eurocom and got a P570WM with better or equivalent parts for less.

Edit: fixed a grave mistake

 

Uh no you didn't. There is no equivalent of the P570WM, far less from MSI.

 

Let me rephrase.

Better or equal parts.

 

Not to mention Eurocom is on the pricey side of things, so other resellers would probably give an even better deal if they still stocked the P570WM.

 

Exactly my point

 

Will the M18x r2 support the 990?

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Probably not... I wouldn't want to install one in it anyways as the sBIOS + vBIOS issues would probably cause throttling problems...

 

Can they not be modified though if that was the case? Svl7 seems notorious flashing anything that comes out lol..

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when will the new gt80 980 sli be released?

 

Hey everyone, first off sorry for the off-topic post but did anyone test the Star Wars battlefront beta. Last I heard, it requires a 980 or 980Ti to play at ultra 1080p. I ask my friend to test it out for me as I don't have a good enough internet to download the 11gb file but his specs are similar to mine except for his CPU (- 4930MX non-overclocked). I also got a 980TI SUPERCLOCKED video from CryZenx and both are at 1080P.


880M SLI:


980TI SUPERCLOCKED:

 

Looks like GTX 960 is close to 1080p 60fps on Ultra with FXAA



http://wccftech.com/wccftech-star-wars-battlefront-performance-analysis/

 

It runs fine. As it should considering it looks like Destiny's PS4 version. The graphics are not impressive at all for the specs it demands.

 

should be fine for a 980M at 3K res, especially when oced

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True, the recommend specs are off the chart but as you can see from the video above, 65-70fps on average seems good especially with no drivers at the moment. Hey @moviemarketing , a 980Ti superclocked is getting 130fps on average at 1080p so I doubt an r9 290x is capable of getting 90fps much less the 960 getting 45fps on average. I call BS. @jaybee83 , it depends 3k res at ultra is straight out of question if a 980ti superclocked is getting only 130fps avg @ 1080p. 3k res at low settings maybe.

 

Honestly considering its graphics, I think it runs fairly poorly GPU-wise. It looks worse than BF4 on ultra does, and is mostly rocks all over. The textures are drawn fairly well I'll give them that, and CPU usage appears to be down from BF4, but that's about the line where my praise stops. I lowered quite a few settings (matched my BF4 spec) and where in BF4 I'll be getting 125fps with 60-80% load depending on the map, this game basically sits at 95% load on each card and I don't pass 100. Often in the 80s with drops to the 70s. Haven't tried an OC yet though; was just fiddling tonight and having fun.

 

then check the above chart again: u get around 30 fps with a GTX 960, 980M stock beats that already. with a healthy oc u can reach or even beat stock 290X levels, and that card can do 68 fps at 1440p 3K would be 1620p, so 1.265 times the pixel quantity of 1440p. theres already been shown to be a linear dependency of pixel quantity and fps performance at identical settings and hardware, so at 290X level u can reach an average of 68fps/1.265=54fps. i.e. playable! BOOYAH!

 

It does run smooth 100-120FPS at ultra on my 980 Ti but as noted, it's pretty clear texture quality is low even when set to Ultra. But that may be because no Ultra textures or details exist yet. This happened in BF3 then in BF4 in beta stage. This is a test for server load mainly for EA. Not for us. Why would EA bother with optimizing a game and give us the opportunity to criticize it, us the paying customers? That would make too much sense.

In any case these numbers don't mean much until someone gets their hands on an actual final build.

 

So upon seeing my friend's benchmark of the game again and again, the game runs at about 60-80fps on ultra with dips to the 50s which is good but still not enough. Let's hope the drivers will help with that. @HTWingNut , 100-120fps is too low especially at 1080p so is my 60-80fps, I think there's something extremely wrong with the beta version, I get 90-115fps on BF4 and easily 130+fps when I overclock them to 1003MHz. The chart is just full of lies, absolute BS.

 

Actually I should have noted my 980 Ti is running 2560 x 1440.

 

It's clear that the game has been optimised for AMD GPUs hence the requirements. An r9 290x which is complete **** in both benchmarks and game performance suddenly competes with a 980Ti (90 vs 120) speaking from the chart and the video I attached a few posts back.. Yeah lol.

 

Still bad, I ran BF4 once at 4K using DSR and got around 45-60fps with anti aliasing off.

Can you explain that:


130fps avg @1080p, 980ti superclocked at 1366MHz
EDIT: actually 100-120fps at 1440p is quite impressive but still I am pretty sure the game's been optimised for AMD GPUs. How do you explain this user with his superclocked 980Ti getting only 130fps at 1080p which is only 10fps more than you?

 

That benchmark chart was for Ultra with FXAA - you sure your 980Ti isn't using MSAA?

 

Not my 980ti but from the video above, it says FXAA. Actually reports have been popping up about poor SLI usage so I guess that's why my 880Ms have been suffering. @Ethrem , can you please run the game as well and give us a feedback about the performance.

 

It must use extensive tessellation then because when I ran it the second time, I turned off the supersampling and had to cap the framerate because it was around 130-140. One nice thing is that I didn't see my cards drop out of boost a single time on regular ultra at 72 FOV but yeah the textures are horrid. I'm not kidding when I say that Destiny looks better. I actually got on my Xbox to do my daily missions after I got bored with BF and I'd dare say the graphics are much better to be honest, especially the antialiasing and texture quality.

@PC GAMER SLI works fine for me. Even load between both cards. I did end up upgrading to the latest nVidia drivers though. 358.50 or whatever.

 

Only options in-game are "FXAA low, medium, high" and "TAA".

I've seen Rainbow Six Siege using TAA and I can't find any information about this legendary "TAA" that's floating around. It apparently works with SLI (as I'm allowed to turn it on) but there's no such AA that I've ever seen before. nVidia would not allow Ubicrap and EA to rename TXAA to TAA, and if SMAA T2x can't work in SLI then how does TAA do it, and why can't SMAA T2x do it? etc.

 

https://de45xmedrsdbp.cloudfront.net/Resources/files/TemporalAA_small-59732822.pdf

 

Ok, gonna go test the performance of it now =D.

 

Speaking of your SLI flicker in Battlefront, is that with TAA enabled or disabled?

 

All AA was off.

Also TAA has absolutely no performance hit. In fact, I think FXAA has a larger hit. Couldn't tell whether it was on or off though due to flicker (I wasn't in a MP server)

 

You can't tell the difference between AA on or off? Just look at high contrast edges, like the skyline or something.

 

So at ultra 100% resolution scale, you are getting around 130-140fps? Yeah, there's something really wrong going on with my cards. Pretty sure the sli is not on par yet. Gonna do some more testing though, preferably on the final build. @Ethrem , were your cards stock or overclocked? Cause that fps is slightly more than a stock 980Ti and more like a superclocked 980Ti. Also, what maps did you do the testing on? Tatooine, as far as I can tell, is more demanding than Hoth due to it having more things to render instead of just snow.

 

I don't know where I was, I was playing the 16 person multi-player capture the pods thing and I did the single player campaign. These kinds of games aren't really my thing. As for the cards, they were bone stock and as I have said many times before, 980M SLI when functioning correctly does indeed beat 980 Ti but this is also a heavily CPU dependent game. My CPU took an absolute beating from it, running in the middle to upper 80s @ 4GHz with occasional TDP drops to as low as 3.7GHz and an average of 3.91GHz over an hour of play time. It even made my undervolt unstable at -85mv and BSOD'd after about 15 minutes so I dropped it to -80mv.

 

Well the whole thing was flickering like crazy anyway. I'll have to check in MP where it doesn't flicker later, since I can turn it on/off at will. If it does nothing at all, then I'll assume it doesn't turn on due to SLI.

 

#SLIWorldProblems

 

So glad I made the (pill swallowing) decision to lose a few bucks and go 980 Ti over my SLI 970 setup. It Just Works now. No headaches and ridiculous performance. Battlefront runs like a dream at max settings. Now I'm eyeing a new monitor to push this GPU.

 

Mini performance test thingy with some mediocre shooty shooty and none of my voice because screw shadowplay resetting its settings.