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    nVidia GTX 780M Benchmarks and Overblocks (vBios, Afterburner, eVGA etc)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by xjulzkx, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. failwheeldrive

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    Not so sure it's all about drivers in this case....
    Same driver and this is what I get...
    View attachment 97535
     
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    What concerns me is that this card is our flagship mobile chip probably for the next year. I hope my 780m can keep up with the major titles coming out that are being released for the new consoles. Factor in the bad port overhead and we might be struggling lol
     
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    Lets hope that is not the case!
     
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    You guys should post Afterburner graphs to see if you get the beloved throttling thanks to the wonderful GPU Boost 2.0. It interfered when the Titan guys tried to overclock pretty high. The remedy against that was to either disable GPU Boost alltogether or change voltage and power (TDP) settings in each step in the vbios.

    Also, I hope you guys are not comparing stock vbios with OC against voltage vbios with OC. We haven`t even scratched the surface on the 780M yet
     
  6. HaloGod2012

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    Well what concerned us is that the 680m, at least for me, clocked much better on stock voltage than the 780m, so based off what tested, this card won't be anything that totally annihilates the 680m, which is why it feels more like a 685m to me. But we will find out what some voltage does to this card soon hopefully.
     
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    The stock voltage Nvidia applied to the card might be suited for the 180W PSUs, since the systems that use the 780M use those PSUs.
    GTX 680M had more headroom with overclocking with a 180W PSU because based on power measurements it was way below that limit on stock clocks.

    GTX 780M voltage might be "coded" in the vbios specifically for 180W PSU, not the 240W PSU you have. Solution would be to ramp the voltage up I think. And keep an eye on if GPU Boost screws with the clocks which it did with reborn 780M if I remember right

    180W is clearly too little since MSI have resorted to using the battery as additional power source when overclocking.

    Maybe lowering the voltage could help for those who have 180W?
     
  8. HaloGod2012

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    That's a good point, being that I have a 240watt psu I thought even I would be limited. I wonder what I'll pull from the wall Overclocked and overvolted, might need a 330 watt psu
     
  9. HTWingNut

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    Well with software overclock +135 / +500 max power draw from the wall was like 215W.
     
  10. HaloGod2012

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    good to know, then im good, unless i put in an xm cpu and oc it.
     
  11. HTWingNut

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    XM CPU + OV/OC 780m might push it beyond 240W.
     
  12. Meaker@Sager

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    In which case I will mod a 330W ^-^
     
  13. kingofthewaste

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    does anyone know what the aftermarket price is i cant find it and will alienware sell these for the r4 if they do when will they get in
     
  14. HaloGod2012

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    Dell eventually might sell them separately. The aftermarket price is anywhere between 750 and 900 from what i have seen on ebay. Very pricey chip.

    One thing I noticed, under GPUZ, my card says its made by Dell. This 780m was pulled from a GT70. Is this an error?

    Ran another bench, scored a little higher
    fire strike: Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Unknown,
     
  15. xjulzkx

    xjulzkx Notebook Guru

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    Just remember guys, if you have any benchmarks to throw up. I'll definitely update the original post with scores, but please try and stick to the template I provided in the OP. I want to be able to link back to the user's post in this thread with their scores that contain their benchmark links and other information such as CPU, Driver Version, stock benchmark or overclocked benchmark, etc..



    I also want to re-categorize the high scores and separate these into two category groups.

    1) High scores based on the overall 3D Marks (GPU + CPU)

    and

    2) High scores based on just the GPU score.


    I'll work on this shortly and update accordingly! :)
     
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    My bad. I only posted to show it's potential.
     
  17. xjulzkx

    xjulzkx Notebook Guru

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    No problems! I'm fine if people want to post potential benchmarks. I just was not sure and just wanted to make sure that people stick by the template I put in when they want to post their official benchmark scores. Easier for me to keep track of and provides a wealth of information to the end users when they click these scores and takes the them to the thread reply that has links to the scores, etc.

    Please don't take offence to my remark above in my previous post, just trying to keep the information clean :)

    We all know the benchmarks are synthetic and not something that can realistically be an accurate measure of GPU power / performance. But at least it'll provide a good gauge on what they are capable of when under different circumstances, CPU types, power supply ability, stock vs soft overclock vs vbios voltage modded overclocks.

    *EDIT* -- I just noticed I made a huge typo in this thread's topic... LOL... "Overblocks" :p
     
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    The subvendor on gpuz will change to the current system. Eg my "acer" 7770m 1gb.
     
  20. MatTheCat

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    What would all you overclockers and Benchmarkers say, if I told you that I ran Unigine Benchmark through once, on my GT70 2OD with GTX 780M. And that my max temp was 90C, and I got flickering graphics at various points in benchmark? The GTX780M was on stock volts...no overclocking applied.
     
  21. kolias

    kolias Notebook Evangelist

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    bad paste?faulty gpu?
    trying repaste you're gpu and see if the(heatsink) pads are sitting well.
    edit:where did you buy it from? call you're reseller.
    nobody here in NBR have problems with that....
     
  22. darkydark

    darkydark Notebook Evangelist

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    Id say that you should wait for new drivers as many people already reported issues with desktop variants of 7xx series similar to yours. Some solved it by underclocking and undrvolting while or killing turbo boost.

    i suck at tapatalk typin...
     
  23. MatTheCat

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    If I repaste my GPU then I can kiss goodbye to my warranty. only having had the laptop for 5 days or so, I am not sure that I am prepared to do that just yet.

    But if the consensus is that 90C within 5 minutes of 99% GPU use, is too high, then I have no option but to RMA the machine. Certainly, the norm from what I can see is that the GPU hits 83-84 C after being extensively stress tested at full utilisation.

    Possibly the graphics flickering in this case was driver/program related, as when I updated to Heaven v 1.04, it didn't seem to occur.......mind you, if it was due to GPU going faulty, then it would hardly behave in a predictable manner.
     
  24. HaloGod2012

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    I would def RMA it. The drivers should not cause your temps to be that high. The max temp i have seen on my 780m is 77c
     
  25. MatTheCat

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    That makes it conclusive then!

    It is probably a thermal grease thing as the GPU does work well as long as it doesn't get too hot....although it could also be a vBios issue, that is allowing the GPU to get too hot before kicking in fans/throttle.

    Damn......I hope this disk image program thing works....or I have burned a whole lot of hours setting up this Windows 7 installation for nothing.
     
  26. Superpata

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    Your GPU might be running too hot, it depends on the model and manufacturers. My old 5870m OC might run up to 103 Celsius in furmark but it was made to run ok at those temperatures (the shutdown/throttle is around 110 for this card I believe), never had any artifacts. From what I have gathered, nvidias need to run cooler, though, I would RMA it.
     
  27. kolias

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    77c with oc not stock.
    and at the MSI threads this is the normal temps of oc...
    RMA it!!!!
     
  28. MatTheCat

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    I think that the smaller the fabrication process, the faster a processor can run, but the more sensitive it will be to heat damage.

    btw, my GTX 780M idles at 44C. Am I right in thinking that the norm idle temperatures for these cards are in the low 30 C range? (if so, then the issue will likely be a thermal paste issue other than a vBios thing......I think).
     
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    Honestly I think the safest thing to do is to RMA, my card never ran at 44 idle, more like 55 or something. I keep hearing about people running furmark with that card below 90 degrees, it seems a bit hot regarding the uningine temperatures that you reported. Since you get some artifacts too, it does not help the cause. Do you get the artifacts before reaching such high temperatures?
     
  30. MatTheCat

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    No, graphical glitches and artifacts only come with high temps....like 85C+, but then only sometimes.
     
  31. kolias

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    RMA it!!!!
     
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    Artifcats should NOT appear. RMA and get the laptop fixed. Even me with 93 C degrees I get fully stable performance and 0 artifacts.

    So, what tools are you guys using for OCing? So far I have overclocked with MSI afterburner to +135/+300mhz and I would like testing with higher clocks. Seems pretty stable with a 8600 GPU score so far, and 84C temps while gaming in a 90F environment.
     
  33. xjulzkx

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    YAY!! Got both of my P150SM laptop's just now with GTX 780M's.. I just stuck my mSATA 128GB SSD in both of them and a 500gb 7200RPM WD Scorpio Black HDD, gonna installed windows 8 on both of them now..

    BBS :D
     
  34. MatTheCat

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    Even without artifacts, do you not consider that kind of temperature to be a bit excessive, and something which will result in the degradation of the chip much faster than those people who report 83C max temps?
     
  35. J.Dre

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    Congratulations! I'm hoping to see some benchmarks.
     
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    hello guys, I have this great card in my clevo p170sm, I wanted to ask:
    1) for the moment everything works well only with its custom drivers 311.44, I tried to install other drivers but do not give me some features' and are unstable
    2) any port driver incompatibility and instability 'if you install AIDA64 or afterburner ,the board go to reset and you lose and the LED blinks to notify cpu instead of being turned off with the on-board active ...
    is all right?
    my temps are :
    ambient 24
    normal load 45
    full load 78
    overclocket 81
     
  37. MatTheCat

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    I know or at least suspect that my laptop has unacceptable heat issues, probs due to inadequately installed cooler system, but could some of you with similar Haswell machines pass comment on the following. It is a screen shot of my GT70 2OD after I put it through the Basic 3DMark11 test:

    ScreenShotPCMarkRunThrough.jpg

    Thankyou.
     
  38. Killerinstinct

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    try doing a run with cooler boost on
     
  39. MatTheCat

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    I don't want to sit and listen to a hairdryer when I am gaming......

    .....neither does anyone else in my house.
     
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    Repaste it, like I said to you earlier.
    You can forget about the warranty sticker. MSI don`t care about it.
     
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    I'm chomping at the bit to get my P375SM with dual 780ms, can't wait to start playing with it. I've got it on order with a 4700mq, but am wondering if I might be bottlenecking the GPUs. I will be playing mostly games like Far Cry 3, BF3, Metro 2033, Witcher 2/3, Crysis 3 etc at 1080p and couldn't care less about benchmarking e-peen. Should I aim for a 4800mq (or unlocked 4700 or 4800mq QS) to avoid hamstringing my 780ms?
     
  42. MatTheCat

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    If they dont care about it, then why put it there in the first place?

    I think I shall leave that sticker just exactly were it is. Most likely its removal would give some tech somewhere the legal right to tell me, "your laptop doesn't work because you went inside it and broke it, WARRANTY VOIDED'
     
  43. jaybee83

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    at 1080p and maxxed out settings ur gpus (even at sli) will be the bottleneck of the system, so dont worry too much about that :) couple houndred mhz more wont make much of a difference@higher cpu models.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
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    Well if you don`t believe me, then stop whining all over the forum and send it in to MSI if you have problems with it. I`m sick of your complaining and negativity.
     
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    Guys lets get back on topic, I am interested in the tools others are using! I want to break the ghz barrier here :)
     
  46. HaloGod2012

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    We need a vbios, then the barriers will be broken very easily lol. Any updates from the vbios masters?
     
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    Riri-Fifi has a modified vBIOS, I believe.
     
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    Nope, no updates as of yet.
     
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    First time poster here, just purchased an MSI gt70 20D. I get around a 27000 GPU score with stock clocks on vantage, also my 780m has not underclocked while idle since i got it... has anyone else experienced this? Overall the new msi GT70s are beautiful machines, being much more powerful than my previous laptop, a toshiba qosmio x775 with an i5 and a 560m gtx.
     
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