nVidia's Forthcoming Mobile GPU Answer: GLM5 2GB GDDR5?

Ah, I didn't know that. I guess all Alienware needs to do is buy an SLI license and update the BIOS/microcode for it to work.

 

haha, didnt read the first page my bad, but yesh this is looking good for nvidia camp but 100w, damage thats high.

 

Well would Probably require to sell a much stronger powerbrick too. So it doesn't throttle or stutter when there running at full speeds.

 

I agree. Even if Dell/Alienware announces something new it will still take a while for it to go into production.

 

MR5870's are still a winner IMO. Not even excited about these new Nvidia cards right now.

 

I'll give NV till June. Even if you ordered a 5870x2 on 5/5, you might not get it till June anyway. Competition is good, but only if both teams show up. If NV doesn't have product to ship in June, then it won't be worth waiting for them to show up to the game.

 

NVIDIA GTX 480M will bring Fermi to laptops this June, crazy power requirements and all -- Engadget
supposedly june is correct

 

babyhemi, will you be selling car batteries with that card in a bundle? ^^

Eurocom...? I think I will pass.

 

And then there's the question of how long until Dell shoves it in a m17x? How long has the 5870 been available in other notebooks? June for the initial release maybe, I would expect another 1-2 months until it makes it's way into the m17x

 

I would take NV over ATI any day.

So it will be nice to see what comes in June

Still happy with my 280's

 

You can get a "Eurocom" in June. I doubt you'll get an alien ware gtx480 in June

 

I honestly dont know. AW have been draging their feet with the 5870s for months now. This can only mean that either ATI cant meet AW quantity requirements, or they are waiting on nVidia to deliver. AW was an nVidia house for years until nVidia dropped the ball. It could be the same now with nVidia prommising preferential treatment to AW for holding out for the green team. but AW keeps waiting and is stuck on old tech. I'm sure AW is pulling its hair out wondering what to do.
Even so, I do doubt that AW will be on top of it when the new 480s come out. Even if they are waiting for them, it will be Q4 at best before we see those cards (so says the crystal ball).

 

I would take what Eurocom and it's president say with a grain of salt. Any time they announce something, it generally comes a lot later than they announce it and a lot of the time, other companies get the product before they do. They just always seem to be the first to announce something, and that's usually as far as it goes.

 

exactly. What better way to draw people to your purchasing site than yell out you've technically made something available first? All they're doing is giving you an "IOU" *when* they come out, and you get stuck waiting for weeks paying for a laptop that doesn't exist.

 

Lol, they also claim the price is ~800$ (USD) per card compared to the ~500$ for a 5870. Almost twice the price (considering that you can buy a 5870 for 380$ from HP or even here), almost twice the power...and probably 10-20% gain performance.
So far looks like a total disaster, lol.

 

LOL. Why would anyone pay that : /.

 

That's probably an individual card but from ODM's it'll be much cheaper when configured with a system. I want an nVidia card, preferably SLi. I'd love to see AW improve the cooling for the M17x while tacking on a larger PSU.

 

I think I'm going to try out Alienware's desktop. 8 Years of buildings PCs and now I can't turn my back on craftsmanship.

 

I'm sure we don't need huge improvements yet, since Clevo's have the 100W FX3800M's for some time now. 480Mx2 is gonna be about the same as 285Mx2, IMHO.
It's all about PSU power now.

 

Does the m17x have enough power available?

 

SLI Fermi 100W cards will need 300+ Watts when using i7's. The CPU will not overclock far if it's only 300 watts. This is why I'm goign to go back to desktops for a bit.

 

It's not just the PSU with 480m. Clevo made their new 17.3" thicker than W870 in order to fit the 480M which tells me the sinks must be thicker. The W870 already has very nice cooling so this thing must run very hot.

 

Does D900F have the thicker sink as well?
Even if so, we won't need a redesign. Just a different heatsink (and maybe pipes?). Those are not expensive.
HP sells those (for their 100W NV) for under 100$.

 

Just for perspective the current M17x's psu is 240 watts.

 

M17x should come with GTX 470m for lower TDP

 

Open up your R2 sometime and look at the amount of space available to increase the heatpipe size, there's virtually none! The chasis would need to be made thicker in order to accommodate a hot running 480M. I suspect this is what Clevo did and AW will need to do.

 

If Alienware is going plastic then making the laptop bigger wouldn't really cost that much more. Also Joker who is in your profile?

 

True, a plastic chasis is easy to mold into different sizes and shapes. The aluminum design will definitely require a lot more work to retool. If they stick w/the current cooling design and toss in a 480M, I won't touch it.

It's the Todd.

 

So this maybe is why people are saying no more metal. If this is true Alienware is going downhill.

 

It's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they go plastic, they can respond faster to chasis redesigns/revisions for things like the 480M. However, sticking with metal entails a lot more work and is probably costly to do so they're slower to respond. This is all speculation on our part of course, I have no idea what it takes for them to shape the aluminum but if you look at the time it takes to ship an R2, it doesn't seem easy.

 

Dissapointed-five.

Aw crap all the rumors are falling together...plastic chassis to fit more space for power hungry gpus to increase sales(like with the m11x).

 

I dunno what all the hate is about. If I'm not mistaken--which I know I'm not--before the M17x came out, all of their systems were plastic. Even before then, they were plastic.

 

D900F's design was from D901C, which is built for dual GPUs, so I would guess that they can just stick a 480M in without changing anything.

Before m17x, their 17"s are all rebranded from clevo and arima, don't know who's the ODM for M17x though, probably dell made it themselves since they bought alienware over.

 

Flextronics same as the M17.

 

I remember with the m17x with the geforce 8600 to 8800. The Motherboard had to be replaced. Due to the Power output.

My take would be you need a new Mother board and New power supply if the geforce 480m gtx comes out.

So I bet they release this with a new computer.

 

Yup a new computer will be coming out just like i predicated, i have to admit after checking out the M11x i hate it, and now compared to Sony Vaio Z i bought wow its a peace of crap in everything that is suppose to do and god the build quality is freaking horrible. My vaio z may not the same quality as the M17x but hey i will take it now anyday over a M11x!! I am interested in the new alienware, i don't think it will go downhill but i hope they have what they had before which i think they will do and that is have a higher end M17x and a less build quality with some type of metal i hope a brushed metal lid and a metal bottom then i will be happy enough, this is dell and they should look at the latitudes and the precisions and previous xps machines. Joker you know and I know you will buy it eventually you don't want ATI you want Nvidia and i don't blame you either it's easier to mod and overclock nvidia cards at times then ATI etc... For me to buy it is up in the air it has to have a freaking matte screen which i believe it will have or at least non edge to edge crap. I am excited to see these cards now i have been waiting for a 2 gig single card to come out forever for notebooks who needs desktops now!!! Lol i feel that this machine will debut either in the summer June like the M17x or in the fall, i say in two months, this is the only way to keep up competition to Asus and Clevo, be crazy if it was only like 1,500 starting off man i probably would jump on that an finally lord please let it have RGBLED!!

 

Like was said, I too think if they just make it a little thicker to accommodate the heatsink size and add an appropriate PS then that should do it. The basic design could be intact I would think. I wouldn't mind a little thicker M17x with a 940XM and SLI 480m's...

 

Heh, I open it up on a daily basis and see enough room for modding. Not the Soviet's overhaul type but a more subtle one, the heatsinks can be replaced and if needed the pipes can be modded as well. The size of the pipe isn't the only factor for the proper heat flux, BTW.

Yes, and that's my point. D90XX were not built with Fermi in mind and the D900F can handle it because it's the same as handling FX3X00M GPU's. I'd bet Fermi should be even easier to cool than the 285M.

 

It doesn't have to be thicker. HP 8740w is only 3.6cm thick and has both the FX3800M and the upcoming pro variant of the 480M (same 100W and GDDR5).
Have a little trust in AW, folks!

 

Yeah, but this would be with SLI. Well if they can do it with the exact same form factor, my hat's off to them..

 

What?

I have a hard time imagining that it takes flex a long time to stamp out a bunch of aluminum parts.

After all, this isn't hand made and a machine can most likely spit these things out pretty quickly and in large quantities.

 

To craft an aluminium chasis, it doesn't take very long, it's just a plan entered into a CNC machine, though the production rate is probably slower than plastic chasis made using molds.

 

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Exactly.

I know plastic is easier, but I don't see flex having to go through any special procedures or whatnot to make the aluminum parts for the M17x.

If they do decide to axe the metal it will be purely a financial decision.

 

Actually the time for updating of design for plastic and aluminium chasis is the same. For Aluminium chasis, once you got the plan, you setup the CNC machine, and you got a mass production line running. For plastic chasis, you still need the plan, and you still need to setup the CNC machine to make the metal mold (most of the time Aluminium coated with Teflon is used) for the plastic, and then you can start mass manufacturing the plastic chasis.

The only difference is the cost of material.

Actually, on a second thought, it's even more troublesome to change the design of the plastic chasis, because you will then need to remake all your molds again before you can start mass producing the chasis. While for metal chasis, you can just change the plan entered into the CNC machine

 

And if Dell offered the metal chassis as an option over platic I would take it.

 

Well like I said, I'm not familiar with the details behind the manufacturing of a metal vs plastic chasis but it seemed to me the metal one would take more work to redesign and produce. If not then all the better reason to wait and hope Dell revised the M17x with some better cooling though that's a far fetched hope.

 

I'll take one.
AW needs to start putting new GPU's out.

 

Hell yeah AW needs to start to bring out more newer GPU's.

 

The main guy for nVidia at CES in January said this one was to come out before summer. Well he was almost right. It will be interesting to see if anyone actually receives one of these before the end of June.

 

Probably Clevo is going to get it first, they are known to chuck out notebooks with the newest hardware within 1 week of official release of the hardware.