nVidia's Forthcoming Mobile GPU Answer: GLM5 2GB GDDR5?

right i know none may know this but if a 5870 single got 5 out of 10 what would a nvidia score be if its meant to be better.

will 480 be dx11 as well...

in other words would their be such a big improvement in the laptop that i shouldnt shoot next week( assuming the cf is ready) and wait till june ( my bday ) and get supposidly due nvidia option.

funny i never thought id ever be in this position where im buying ,not ,buying ,not buying ,not,buying, ...... i think its becoming a medical condition.

1,2 kennys waiting for you, 3,4 waiting 1 week more 5,6 cf better come quick 7,8 thinks its gonna be late, 9,10 ima waiting again......

 

Who knows when there coming out and no one knows how they will perform yet.
Waiting is part of the game but at some point you just have to say "screw it" I'm ordering.
And yes it will be DX11 from all reports.

 

lol this card in sli requires sli powerbricks too for your laptop

 

and a 30 min battery life,

Wonder if they wll have the on board GPU option as well ???

 

That would mean a different chipset.

 

Why would you want a 100Watt single GPU?
480M GTX = est. 100Watt
HD5870CF = 120Watt

480MSLI would be 200Watt, do we get a nuclear reactor for a battery?
the question will be; are all those watt's directly converted in effective GPU power or are those Watt's coverted in unwanted heat?!? And at what cost?

 

I'm looking forward to GTX 470m SLI

 

Simply looking forward to packing one of these babies into my M15x, but at what cost?
Plus, I think I would have to switch out the PSU...

 

totally ridiculous

 

You would be ill advised to putting one of these in the M15x. The power requirements are too high as well as the cooling would not be sufficient. The ATi HD 5870 will be the ultimate for your system imo...

 

I don't even see the 480M working well in the current M17x let alone the M15x. I think I'll grab a dual 5870m setup in a few days when it's released and then just wait and see.

 

Yep. I think the 5870's in crossfirex will be the fastest setup until late summer or fall...I think so anyway.

 

ditto. Otherwise we'll just be stuck in the 'wait a month or two, or three, or four' cycle.

 

Two 2GB video cards are overkill. Alienware will probably release a single 480m along side of the 5870's.

 

Yeah if Clevo pushes out an SLi 480M setup then it will probably be the fastest machine around for quite a long time. But the only system I see that happening in is the D901C type of chasis. I doubt Alienware will have a dual 480M setup anytime soon but they should have it as a single card at least.

I'm already tired of waiting and I only recently sold my R2! I need a computer right now for work and this M1710 isn't cutting it.

I think so too.

 

The problem is that you'd need one BEASTLY power supply to run two of these in SLi. Couple that with the heat they produce and...

Well, the laptop wouldn't exactly be very portable.

 

well, if it is at least transportable that would work for me lol

 

I think it would quite literally be a 'desktop replacement'. It'd be far too heavy and bulky to take around except to LANs (even on holiday would be pushing it) and the battery life would be measured in minutes, not hours-that's if it could even house a battery powerful enough to power it on the go.

Either that or it'd be around M17x-size, but with an inadequate power supply and poor cooling.

 

You guys all assume there will be no modification made to the 480M compared to what was tested a while back.

We really have no clue if the 100w power consumption will be in effect at launch. For all we know it will be brought down to 60w or so and an SLI will be possible.

Nonetheless for the sake of the conversation if Nvidia does in fact leave the card close to 100w I say they are crazy. It's way too high for a single laptop card. This would only prove the technology they are using is not good and that the fermi based architecture is crap.

 

hehe I see the battery in my M17x as nothing more than a built-in UPS...

 

Well it's all a question of price. Nissan just came out with a li-ion battery that has 5 times the capacity of current li-ion battery. They plan on using it in their first rumored hi-speed hybrid the 370Z.

What does this mean? Technology like this could easily be used in PC also but at a cost. 5 times the capacity of the best current batteries means the M17X could use 5 times more power and still pull close to two hours.

Remember just 3 or 4 years ago, it would have been impossible to conceive a PC with the power consumption of the M17X and get two hours of battery on it. Heck not so long ago we still had to discharge the entire battery before charging or it would just get a portion of the capacity...

There might come a time where self-cooled CPU and GPU with 1000w power consumption fit into a laptop with 24 hours of battery life and little heat.

Don't ever under-estimate the power of technology.

 

True, but then again it maybe required anyway to support 2 of these GPUs, and provide an reasonable battery life option by running a lower powered GPU

it's either that or really down clock the 480s when on battery.

Also I tought the I7 CPUs had an internal GPU - just not enabled at present on the M17x?

 

Ah, yes, the old ni-cads lol

But, physics dictate that heat has to go somewhere, so you will feel the 1000W. I'd hate to feel the exhaust from that beastie hehehe

 

Well Intel is working on micro-fridge cooling integrated into the CPU. We are not talking within 12 months of course but I am sure that will come. It acts as a heat pump therefore the heat would be absorbed by the nanotube material. Of course that consumes energy also but the advantage of the system compared to a peltier system which transfers heat is that the nano fridge is an actual heat pump and has no hot side.

 

That will be interesting to see it when it comes out. This would have applications in other fields too.

 

Yeah definitely like lasers and many others apps actually.

 

That's all the battery is in any sort of workstation or gaming laptop. Not just the m17x. It must be said however, hybrid graphics r1s managed 2-3hour life which is pretty amazing.

 

So people are excited about the release of the 5870's in CF but now are waiting for the 480m's? Won't the CF 5870's be good for at least a couple years?

 

Maybe it was joker or.someone else.in a different thread someone said 5-10% increase

 

That's it?

 

All speculations, 480M is not even real yet.

 

Many of us ARE excited about the 5870's in CF, I know I am. It will be one fast high end setup for some time to come!

 

Dyeah exactly. For a single card that's impressive tho

 

some people just prefer a NVIDIA solution

 

Is micro stutter a problem with both Crossfire and SLI?
Or does one run better than the other in the double GPU setup?

 

10% is what the new nVIDIA cards gave over the current ATI ones on the desktop, on average. Some games got 15%, some were slightly better on the 5870. Depends. But I wouldn't be surprised to see similar stats on the mobile GPUs. Of course, if nVIDIA really does put a 100W GPU in a laptop, then it might well get more than that.

But 100W obviously causes a host of other problems. No battery life, a power supply the size of Rhode Island, and a very toasty surface while gaming. You know your power usage is a problem when you make a Pentium 4 Mobile system look relatively low-power in comparison.

And I can't imagine any of the SLI+Desktop CPU systems with a 100W GPU. We're talking 330W for GPUs + CPU alone... that's just not feasible. Maybe with one of AMD's low-power desktop CPUs you could pull it off, but even so I don't think you'd want to use the laptop's keyboard while gaming on an SLI system of these.

And temperatures are a huge problem on the desktop cards - even if the GPU itself can survive the temps, I'm sure it would noticeably shorten the lifespan of the notebook as a whole. Many of the reviews of the 480GTX were citing 95-98ºC temperatures, with 95 or 96 as sustained during certain games. With 100W parts in a laptop the temperatures couldn't be much lower, and with significantly lower-wattage parts the 5870 is a much better deal. Buy an SLI one of these, and you could legitimately fry eggs on it. Might take a bit longer than a stove, but give it enough time and you'd have breakfast. Or heat toaster pastries by the exhaust vent - a friend of mine used to do that with Pentium 4 desktops.

nVIDIA's saving grace may be their marketing - they do a pretty good job of getting their GPUs in laptops even when they are clearly the inferior choice. Much better than how well AMD fares when Intel CPUs are the superior choice. Still, I wouldn't want a laptop with a GPU anywhere near that hot. Were I buying soon, I'd definitely be buying ATI.

Totally read that as, "the nVidia GeForce 480M GTX 2GB GDDR5 DX11 MXM 3.0b 40nm with a Hemi is coming out in June or July". Seemed to fit in well with the rest of the super-sized specs.

 

Nvidia's saving grace is that they make drivers that work on a "install and go" basis far better than AMD (but AMD is getting better about this quickly). You can go all over the web and you'll find problems with both, but with a far larger percentage of problems with the AMD solutions. There are still users in these forums who can't get simple driver installs to work or have had to reinstall the entire OS (several times for some folks) to get the drivers to work. AMD is improving, so it's not a lost cause. But Nvidia has advantages beyond marketing. I don't think AMD's marketing is all that shabby having sold a million 5xxx series cards right? Give a year or so down the line and I'd expect both will have caught up and be on a fairly even playing ground. For now, that is not the case.

 

It's a problem in any multiple gpu setup.

 

Likely the problem is they are grabbing the wrong drivers (desktop drivers)so when they reinstall the os the next time they grab the right drivers. Distinguishing between the mobile and desktop drivers is more difficult then nvidia.

 

Oh, it is.

 

I laughed when i read the red part lol...

IMO , i doubt we're going to see anything from NVDIA other than a power hog.. IMO , it looks like their destined to fail with ferni..

 

and you're basing those conclusions on what exactly? Day dreams? Fermi is winning well enough in the desktop market. the 5870 shouldn't be *that* hard to edge out. Since when does anyone care about power consumption in an already 240+W laptop anyway? It's not like you can do any sort of gaming on it(the battery) as it stands already.

 

Sure, but it's price too. Cost/performance ratio just seems bad for Fermi. Ati, despite driver issues, just seems to be winning at the moment. I hope it makes for more genuine competition for the next gen and, as a long time nVidia fan, I am very glad Ati is doing well at the moment because damn, they were on the edge for a while. You need at least one other viable company for the competition to be enough to drive genuine progress.

 

We will either see nVidia's 480m at E3 or Computex. Or they can pullan ATI and never release them. If they do show up this summer then they probably won't be available until 4th quarter (or maybe mid 2011).

 

June launch for nvidia gtx480m notebooks - The Inquirer

 

No surprise that sean473 (G73 Advocator) cough ziddy´s best friend would diss the GTX 480m right away.

 

We'll see comrade.. NVDIA like a wounded animal.. trying to fight back but whether it will be successful or not , we shall see...

 

Informative.

Anyway, I would call them successful to an extent; if nothing else they have the fastest desktop card.

 

not the fastest.. the 5970 is still the fastest single desktop card.. anyways , from all the benchmarks and all , the 5870 is still better.. way higher and more stable fps.. just because its good in benchmarks , it doesn't mean its that good in games... anyways , i don't want a ferni card which runs at 95C idle and has wood screws

 

what? The last time I checked, 90% of benchmarks used by review sites are games.