7811FX new heat issue ACPI TZS0

I didn't do that (although it would be easier than what I actually did).
The code that shows when trottleing starts is simple.
All i have to do is change one number and it will never throttle.


What I did (or at least what I tried to do, which went wrong) was (translated into english):

if TZS0 is not < 96c
then make TZS0 = 96c.

Then that value (96c) is going somewhere else and being changed to 87c.
I don't know what's changing it.

I don't understand what you're saying.

I cant actually change the real life temp of any part of your computer.
Whatever temp it was before, it still is.

All I did was tell it that it is cooler (when really it's the same temp).
now that it thinks it's cooler, it doesn't see the need to throttle.

 

it was just something i was tossing around in my head....

 

Does it actually matter, given that this isn't even a real temp? And I wouldn't really call 87 chilling. That's a lot hotter than I'd like to see anything. And I don't think anything would even survive to get to 109. In any case, I don't really follow you. Why do you think it's really 109 instead of 87?

Oh, and moral, there is something in the bios. I remember when I had the .12 bios, the throttle point was 86, not 98. Unless the BIOS changes the DSDT, which, I don't know, does it?

And we could hijack the sticky BIOS thread I guess. It's pretty slow right now, and someone on there probably knows how to get at the BIOS code. I'll test your code tomorrow, as I have to go to bed now.

Also, johnksss, that's a hell of an OC.

Hey, 2 replies while I was typing. Ok then, disregardful that first paragraph.

 

This mod I am giving is to stop throttling.
when you stop throttling, your temp will go up.

So you are right.

Not only will this mod stop throttling, but it will also stop the notebook shutting itself down at the critical trip point.

So now there is nothing to stop your notebook from melting.


I offered another method, which was just raise the throttling trip point, but noone seems to want this.

If I raise the throttling trip point, your notebook will not throttle.
But it will still shutdown to save itself when overheating.

If anyone want this type of mod, let me know. It's easy to do.

 

they are all good ideas, but it sounds safer for them to raise the throttle point than hide the temps. let someone forget and...pow!...smoke fest...not wishing anything bad on anyone, but we do tend to forget things from time to time....

thanks!...you can muster these..get to it..lol

 

i think everyone here has a good point. i agree that raising the tripping point is a good idea, as i asked in one of my previous post. but then my question becomes is the max read out of the tzs0 98c? ive never seen it go higher and i know the throttling is supposed to stop it from going higher but will it show in hwmonitor or other software once we mod this? i think the answer is yes but i just wanted to ask.

 

this is where the test dummies come in..(yes, i was a test dummy on every single laptop and computer i own and owned)

the guys willing to find the answers and document them for everyone else after them....

 

the max TZS0 can be is whatever the value of the critical trip point is.
I can maybe find out that value, but there is a chance I would need to see the BIOS code.

It definatly will go above 98C, unless you use the modded file.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?oydmmqemmem is where i got my bios 9C.17.00. i dont know if that helps.

 

I'm downloading the file.

I will try to see what i can do with it. But don't expect anything from me since I'm a BIOS modding newby.

 

Hey moral, I tested the 87C code today. It didn't work. I might have done something wrong though. I extracted the dstd.aml file into the ACPI directory, overwriting the old one. Then I used the command asl \loadtable dstd.aml. It said it worked, but did I have to do anything different?

Oh, also, could you make a 100C throttle point for the 7811? Or a 105 or something. It seems like it would be the same number of operations, but you said you had to add extra lines for one, so I'd think the simpler the better.

 

nVidia 9800m GTS @670/955/1730<-- when you going to up these?
them 9800m gts we're some hella over clockers.

 

You did it right. Too bad it didn't work.

Yes that would be more simple.
I'll put it to 100 now.

 

here it is.

This should set the throttling trip point to 100C.
All I did was change one value to 0xe93 (372.8K).

 

They're up. 698/988/1765. The ones in my sig are actually from before I was undervolting and TZS0 was in danger of spiking. I actually changed to 1765 a few days ago. I used to have it at 1800, but you don't get that much of a gain by pushing the shader clock way higher than 2.5x the core clock. I'll change my sig though.

Actually, since I'll be running 3dmark to test the code, I'll experiment with new clocks. I'm thinking 720/960/1820. I don't think memory needs to be as high as it is now, but we'll see.

Moral, maybe I missed something, but how does the asl compiler know the location of the table it's supposed to overwrite?

 

Ok... It's capping at 87, and it doesn't really stay there for long like it did with 98. Is that supposed to happen?

Johnksss, I got 10920 on 3dmark06 at 720/960/1820. That's my record (I don't do benchmark only clocks) and I peaked at 68C, so i think I'm going to stick with that. Most games run cooler than 3dmark (except batman for some reason).

 

I don't know exactly, but the program is made specifically for ACPI.

If you think it's not doing it's job propery, we can test it simply.

I can give you code that will put TZS0 to a certain value (just pick whatever you want), then test the code and see if TZS0 shows the value you set it to.
Do you want to try this?
If you do, what value do you want for TZS0 (80C maybe?)?

 

80's fine.

 

here is the test one.
It should make TZS0 always be 80C (give or take 1C, probably 79C).

 

moral can i use the file that caps the tripping point to 100?

 

think you better run vantage and not 3dmark06..which is based 60 percent off the speed of the cpu. or in other wards...an ati bencher. and you dont have an ati card.

 

Here it is in this post:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5309552&postcount=132

Let me know if it works

 

It capped at 87C again. I don't know. Honestly, I'm happy with this fix as it is. We know it isn't screwing with the fans or anything critical like that, and we know it prevents the throttling. I don't think anything burning up due to the throttle not kicking in is a concern either. TZS0 can read whatever it wants, but if everything else is normal, I don't see where the danger could be.


I used to use vantage, but I liked 06 better. Most people on here use 06 as well. What I really use for actual meaningful benchmarking is the farcry 2 benchmark, but that doesn't spike TZS0, whereas 06 does. And where are you getting 60% CPU? I don't think that's true. Going from a p8400 to a t9800 gave me about a 600 point boost, and almost no noticeable fps gain during the GPU tests. Overclocking my GPU and switching drivers gave me over 1000 points more.

 

wow, that's amazing.
I dont know what is going on in the code but something is intercepting the value I program in and changes it.

I tried the exact same code in my notebook and it put it to 80C.
Why yours goes to 87C is a mistery.
It's really strange stuff.

EDIT: is that result for the trip point being changed or is it for the TZS0 being set to 80C?

 

What? (Need 10 chars in message so this is extra)

 

Which file did you just use that gave you 87C?

 

you mean gateway users right? because most people (willing to pay 20 dollars that is) use vantage, because it gages your true gpu power. 3dmark06 inflates everything based on your cpu speed. and i know this because i owned 3 gateways before going to a sager np9262
. 3dmark06 is a cool benchmark for checking you cpu, but not your gpu.

EDIT: ask your gateway mod...im sure they can shed some light on it all. he was here when we all we're with our gateways.

 

I used the one that caps it at 80C.

Alright, I don't know who uses vantage, and if they like it they can use it, but what I do know is 06 shows better results for me from GPU overclocking than a CPU upgrade. I also don't care if 06 inflates stuff based on cpu speed. It's not like the number it gives you is in units of GPU power. It's just a number. Let it respond well to a CPU upgrade. I'll still be able to test how well my GPU overclock is doing based on how that number, inflated or not, fluctuates.

And, like I said, I think the Far Cry 2 benchmark shows me best how the OC will affect my other games.

 

ummm, yeah..ok.

all good. no problems friend. keep up the ..... good work over here.

 

that's too strange.
I told it to always be = 80C. Not just capped at 80C.

I don't know what is going on with the code, but as long as your happy with it I guess it shouldn't matter.

 

I was fine before actually. I can turn my undervolt on to solve the problem as well. Other people might not be able to (although we've solved the .5x multiplier problem in RMClock), so this thread may come in handy for them.

 

It does work actually. I wasn't rebooting, that was the problem. So the 100 code probably works as well. I'll check that later. I only got on to check news really quickly.

 

ok so i got the 100c trip point to work and everything looks good so far. thanks moral!

 

Great, it's very good to see it working

 

Oh, I forgot to post. My 100 trip point looks like it's working as well. Well done moral.

 

Guys, this only happens specifically to 7811 and not 7805?

 

just wanted to let you all know that i have taken a close look at how the heatsink is seated on the northbridge and there is a gap so if you don't use a pad or a crap load of thermal paste it wont physically make contact with the heatsink and thus wont transfer heat properly. Im going to call up gateway and see if they can send me a new rev heatsink but this may the problem we are having with the super fast 98c spike. if you are brave enough remove your motherboard and put the heatsink back on with no pad or thermal paste and see if you have a gap. My cpu makes contact with the heatsink but not the northbridge.

 

Yes there is a gap between the heatsink an the northbridge. I don't know why this is the case, but I suspect it was because it's hard to guarantee that the heatsink will sit flush on both dies. You don't need to remove your mobo to see this though. The old heatsink is part of the problem, yes. They might send you the newer one (and if they do, I'll also call and see if I can get one). One thing that helps is to replace the thermal pad with a bunch of ICD7, which is thick enough to fill the gap.

@mew1838:
I think it can still happen on the 7805, but it is much, much rarer.

 

so im wondering does this affect the functionality speedstep because i still want it run in certain situations, such as basic use. if it only changes the trip point that im willing to try it, im wondering where i should start and which of these i should download, i see that you guys tried alot of different things and im wondering what changes are the most effective,

 

changing the throttling trip point will not effect intel speedstep.

All it will do is stop the thermal throttling.

You can start from the beginning and I will mod your file for you:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5303563&postcount=102
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5303615&postcount=104

once you upload your dsdt file, I can mod it for you or you can try this one:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5322623&postcount=164

 

for some reason when i do step 5c the command isn't reconognzed, am i supposed to use asl command window

 

do i need to go through this process of extracting the table or can i just use the dsdt100c file to change the trip point?

 

Run command prompt as administrator, if it still doesn't work please tell me what you are typing in cmd?

you can just use the "asl /loadtable dsdt.aml" command to load the dsdt100c file.
But it may or may not work, depending on whether your notebook is exactly the same or not.
It's risky and you could get a BSOD next time you start up.

If you do get a BSOD:
hold F8 during boot.
select the option "last known good configuration".

 

i go to start>programs>assesories>right click>run as administrator on command prompt>cd C:\ACPI> asl /u dsdt.aml

after doing this it gives me this
"asl" is not recognized as internal or external command, operable program or batch file

i have the ASL compilier installed

 

go to program files and copy the ASL compiler exe to the C:\ACPI folder.

 

alright so it worked now, my dsdt might be here i dont know if the upload worked

 

alright this should be it

 

so you want the thermal throttling trip point changed to 100C?

This will probably cap TZS0 at 87C, don't know why but that's what the result were for other users.

 

Here is the file with the throttling capped to 100C.

 

yea that'll be good. so this will lock the temperture reads to 87 degrees?