Just got the 9c.20 Bios drivers from Gateway!

I'm pretty sure they show up on my 7805 BIOS that I have flashed, just labeled slightly different. I'll get my camera and have a look. Only person I know on the forum who has a 7808 who would be able to get a good picture of the motherboard would be llynx maybe?

EDIT: Okay, looks like they're no longer there, I thought they were in my stock 9C.17, I flashed SLIC 2.1 HP 9C.17 after I figured out what a failure 9C.20 was. I'm PRETTY sure those options were available though... like the Deep C4 and TXT and all that, but they weren't anything useful.

Intel TXT: http://www.intel.com/technology/security/
Intel VT-D?: http://software.intel.com/en-us/art...s-for-efficient-virtualization-of-io-devices/
And I believe Deep C4 and the like are power saving processor states.
http://www.intel.com/technology/itj...d_Thermal_Management/p03_power_management.htm

 

ok, I see. Nothing really useful to what we want. What I'm gonna try and do is get ahold of a different bios with overclocking enabled and try and find the differences. See where its incorporated and such.

 

Well I don't think you'll find a Phoenix BIOS with overclocking enabled, maybe Award or Award/Phoenix but apparently our new Phoenix BIOS are quite different from those and much more restricted in the way that they can be modded, to do so apparently is very tedious, difficult and 100% manual, and even then you're taking a decently high risk flashing them I'd say.

 

i remember reading somewhere that the ocz bios are similar to the p7811 bios so maybe try giving those a look.

 

Have anyone tried asking experts at biosmods or mydigitalife.

Edit : I think i saw Phycho's post there. LOL. No luck?

 

Nope. That's some of who I talked to, they said that the only one who's had any luck with it was "rjback" I managed to find him with the username rbjack. lol But he hasn't signed on in a month and I think all I saw him doing were SLIC mods, which are easy enough to do. Other than that they say they've made no progress. Someone else posted about our before, I just thought I'd give it another go. They did say, like I stated, that it can be done the long tedious way, but they didn't give much to go on, they want full credit for what they manage to do and that's understandable. So options are limited. I haven't tried mydigitalife, though I've poked around there. Maybe I'll dig around a bit more there later...

 

Well I downloaded a couple OCZ bios, not sure it will help but meh. EDIT: Decided to remove these to be safe, I don't think it'll do any good looking at these anyway.. x.x

 

Even if it worked I wouldn't be flashing a non-Gateway BIOS onto my laptop. At least if the Gateway BIOS screws it over there's justification for warranty service.

 

They are not up for flashing, that would just be asking for a brick. They're for examination. To be clear to anyone, do not flash the OCZ BIOS.

 

I'm still running 9c.05 on my P7811FX. I think that's the version of the BIOS I have. It doesn't have RAID, but I don't intend to use RAID. The addition of TXT in newer BIOS versions intrigues me though. Doesn't that require a TPM? Do the P78-series laptops have a TPM? VTd is a nice addition though. I think I'm going to need to upgrade to 9c.17 if I can get the utility to run without throwing errors at me...

 

Sorry if you misunderstood, I think if anything the TXT and VTd were only available with 9C.20, which you will have to then deal with terrible fan management and high idle temps, not worth it imo, I don't even want to mess with 9C.20 because I feel it's not impossible that it would overheat my system, and even if it doesn't I'm sure the life of my GPU will be hurt by it idling at 70~80C.

 

So the biggest question is does the 9c.20.00 bios support quad core processors or not? And if you dont know please don't answere me!

Another question does anyone know what changed in the bios? And if you dont know please don't answere me!

Thanks ;D

 

All of this has already been discussed within this thread... Anyway, quad cores were always supported in the BIOS it would seem, there's some kind of hardware restriction on the motherboard that doesn't allow us to use them, not sure if it can be fixed by hardware modification or not and if it can we don't know how. The only confirmed change is that they apparently fixed the pulsing fan issue by ruining the way the laptop cools itself. I believe as stated the new BIOS contains TXT and VTd and C-states but don't really feel like looking into it simply because of the cooling issues with 9C.20

 

Ah, thanks for the information! I didn't realize 9c.17 was missing those features. VTd I could use. I don't understand why they added TXT if there's no TPM.

Anyone have an idea if the 9c.20 cooling issues are isolated to a particular type of P78-series make, or is it a series-wide type problem? I just ask because I saw someone earlier in this thread report they were having no problems with 9c.20 while several people using the same model machine were having issues. I'm using a P7811 and most of the people reporting problems are using P7805 machines it looks like. Just looking for some clarification, that's all.

 

I doubt it's isolated because our fans are managed directly through the BIOS as the cooling problem with the new BIOS would suggest and the hardware is extremely similar between the 7805 and the 7811 as I'm sure you already know, you're welcome to try the 9C.20 I posted though, I can confirm they flashed without a problem for me, minus the cooling issue obviously. The person who posted that they were happy with the 9C.20 BIOS didn't really report idle temps but I'd guess that maybe they figured it out later since in their last two posts it seems they decided to switch to 9C.12. If you do decide to try the 9C.20 BIOS be sure to mind your temperatures for a while though to be safe.

 

I found these strings a while ago in 9C.17 with PBE, does anyone else find these interesting, they're missing from 9C.20 and 9C.10 it seems but are definitely in 9C.17. It would seem that those SHOULD be values that can be selected?

 

^^^^ where'd you find that?

 

I've got an X9000 C2E in my 7811, and loaded 9C.17. I didn't see any extra options to move from the default 2.8Ghz. But the table you posted gives me hope!

 

Hm. You could be a good source of information then. There is supposed to apparently be a 3 Ghz OC limit so you actually should be able to OC to 3.0 Ghz through the BIOS according to some people. I think I've heard of it being done with a X7800 though, which makes me wonder if it has to do with if the processor is Merom or Penryn. Would be a shame if that was the case but who knows. I was wondering if is there a menu in the BIOS with your x9000 extreme processor in that says anything about OCing, even if you can not use it?

 

It doesn't ruin my laptop's cooling at all. It fixes it for me. With some of the early BIOSes, the GPU fan would go on sooner and smoothly scale up the fan speed as temperatures rose, but not enough to keep the temps reasonable. With .17, the fan would only go on sometimes; it'd often fail to come on at all, causing temps of 105C+. With .20, at least its behavior is consistent. It will always come on at 80C. I consider that to be far better than not coming on at all half the time.

For that reason, it's the only BIOS I feel comfortable using.

I have a P-7805U FX by the way, and the flasher didn't work, so I had to do some hex editing to merge the new BIOS with an old flasher.

Idle temps are fine (about 58C) as long as the GPU is in the lowest power state, since the fan isn't needed then anyway. Like I said, it will kick in at 80C, kick off at about 65C. When it runs, I think it runs at 100%, nowhere in between. Optimal? No.. But it works, and I can play games without having them slow down due to extreme overheating.

My CPU temps are low as well. Haven't seen them get higher than 56C while playing Dragon Age, which makes pretty heavy usage of both cores. I'm using RMClock to adjust the max voltage, though, since by default it's higher than necessary, just as it is with the GPU.

So not sure what you mean by it screwing up cooling, but it doesn't apply to me...

 

I'll double check again tonight, but I don't think so. IIRC, the 6811 supports upping the multiplier enough to push it to 3.0 Ghz (even with stock 6811 BIOS).

It gives me hope that at least someone was able to overclock, hopefully I just missed the option.

 

Hm. I can't see how anyone did it, you seem to be right, on the setup table of P6811 FX BIOS those EXACT strings are present in the setup table, but in the 9C.17 BIOS for 78xx they're not present, though the exact same strings are in the BIOS they are not in the setup table, I'll have to look for a way to add those strings to the setup table the way they are in 6811... or see if someone else can do it.

 

Booted up the laptop again - there's no selection related to multiplier or overclocking.

 

Could you post your modified bios. Thanks

 

Sorry, not trying to hold out on you, I'm not subscribed to notifications.. but I didn't modify the BIOS. I'm just using 9c.20.00, unchanged. Truth is it does run a little hotter than I'd like when idling, since old BIOSes would start the fan on a constant power on/off cycle ("pulsing") which kept it cool at idle.. but not cool when it needed it most.

The Windows flasher is broken, yes, so if you mean a modified flasher you can get it here.

But if I could modify the BIOS, I'd like it to scale the fan from 0% to 100%, starting at 50C and ending at 80C. Discrete desktop cards give us this versatility, but for my laptop I'm stuck with Gateway's crap.

 

Alright I can now confirm that the 9c.17.00 BIOS works perfectly, the only reason my fan sounded like they were running very low is because after a year of using this laptop I had to open up the whole thing and clean out the GPU vents and fans.

I did this last week and got GREAT results. Using a can of compressed air simply won't work because the amount of dust that accumulates in the vents is impossible to remove through the force of the air alone. I took out a chunk of material at least half an inch thick and it was blocking my vent at least half way. Therefore take the time to actually take apart your laptop (as long as your warranty is out) and you will see a great drop in temperatures.

I went from 90-95 degrees ( to the point where my games were crashing) to 70 degrees MAX usually around 67 degrees while gaming on my OC'ed GPU. Really impressive, also I should mention that I applied some new TIM to the GPU and to the Memory as well.

Hope this helps out if you are experiencing heat problems

 

Ok so I got the bios update from PsychoUsagi and I'm still getting that error. It won't do anything. All I'm supposed to do is double click the IMV-038.exe file and all is supposed to be peachy? Because it's still not working? Could someone say STEP BY STEP how they did it? When I double click on the phlash16.exe file it says I don't have the right type of OS but I know I have a 64bit OS. I dunno, I'm totally confused. Do I have to install anything else? I'm on Windows 7 64bit and I already have 9C.17 installed. The pulsing fan noise is driving me nuts and I want 9C.20 installed. Please any help would be totally appreciated.

 

Are you talking pulsing fan just doing casual work or gaming? I ask as I have 9c.17.00 and with the Zalman N2000 cooler my system fans never kick on under casual use....................

 

I like the sound of this idea.

 

It seems there are very few out there with P-7808's. I too however would love to know what the suppsed mod is that would allow us to finally quad these systems..............

 

It pulses when I'm just surfing the web or things of that nature. When I'm gaming it goes on and stays on. I just don't get how everyone is updating their bios. I double click that .exe and I keep getting that error. The I got Phoenix phlash program and I get errors with that... If anyone can do a complete step by step that would be amazing.

 

anyone out there that cares or knows?

 

I care AY!!!!!!! TOO SHORT!!!!

 

ok someone cares, that's good. I just need someone who knows how to update the bios now to 9C.20. Step by step instructions would be very appreciated.

 

Hello? Is anyone out there?

 

Have you read the sticky BIOS thread? I'm pretty sure people discuss how to flash the BIOS in there.

 

I've read this thread and everyone just says they flash the bios but don't really say how. Some say they just double click this one file and when I do it, it doesn't work. I guess it's just going to be a hopeless cause...

 

Naw there are people on this forum that would help you but check infrequently. Give Andros_Forever a pm and he will most likely help you.

Edit: And by the sticky thread I was talking about this one. http://forum.notebookreview.com/gat...-series-fx-bios-9c-05-00-thru-9c-17-00-a.html

 

It doesn't work? what is the error, or what does/doesn't it do?

 

I get the a fun error that says Driver(WDM) Init fail!(0x137). This is the bios update I got from the gateway website. But I've read around and they say it doesnt work. All I'm doing is double clicking the IMV-038.exe file. I've also tried doing it with Phlash but I get errors with that as well.

 

The problem I believe is Windows 7. If you have the Vista restore disks that may work. I never had a problem flashing with Vista or even the RC when I upgraded. Windows 7 HP however did not do an inplace upgrade and installed new.

I think some here with Windows 7 have been able to flash but no one has investigated where he problem exists or what can be done to fix it. Now if the Bios was giving like 10% better performance or say quad's were able to run there would be a huge outcry but they do little to enhance.

I seem to be one of the lucky ones, even without the NC2000 on and Powermzer set to HP I don't see over 49C without the fan kicking in just browsing the web or running a video. With the NC200 I see about 41C.

I experience the pulsing when running say 3DMark06. I am however a firm believer in keeping the dust bunnies at bay and compressed air cans are our friends. I do understand though that apparently YMMV with these systems as there are those that get exttremely high temps just sitting idle on the net............

 

double post...............