The official P-7811FX lounge

I'm no big gamer but do want a faster video for that occasional WIC session. Reading around it seems those who own 1920x1200 on laptops mostly love and cherish them. Those who don't have 1920x1200 worry about getting one.

 

What's this about the downscaling? I didn't know about this, could someone provide a link or a brief explanation?

 

Games have a resolution they are designed to run in and it is not 1920x1200. So you either have to stretch the game over 1920x1200 or have the monitor scale down. Original LCD hated running in anything but native. Newer ones do a much better job of scaling. Native is always best but the 1920x1200 owners love the screens so much they are willing to put up with the adjustments. Newer games run native as high as 1440x900. Some older ones don't go that high so there are usually some trade offs no matter what resolution you get. Rumor has it that 1920x1200 scales better than lower res. monitors because of the higher pixel density.

Don't have a good link ATM.

But here is a Digg link to 1920 gaming wall papers for when you get one.

 

I'm sorry, I gotta reply. This is just too funny..I promise no more after this.....

LOL! Whats with this "we" crap, like you did anything to prove a case. Your reasoning for them to not have the 7811fx on the website was because "They were too busy moving to an indirect sales model", which is really a ridiculous thing to say. THAT'S what I was calling you on. You can hide behind dtwns argument, point fingers and pretend like you helped do something, but the fact remains you gave yet another incorrect answer to someone's question and were wrong. To be honest, just about every comment you've made since you've been here has been blatantly wrong or questionable at best and others besides myself keep calling you on it.

"Admit you made a mistake you say". Hmm, seems to me I admitted I made a mistake just a bit ago. I also happen to make mistakes on a daily basis and am NEVER too proud to admit it when I'm wrong. But by God if you're gonna call me on it, you'd better know what you're talking about, something you never really seem to do. Maybe it's time for you to take your own advice??

 

Sorry, but the irony of "False Prophet" (user title) posting this is hilarious.

This argument isn't my business, as I have already explained my point to you. I reckon there's quite a fair bit of truth about semantics here. And I also reckon that I'll stay out of this one. I've had enough arguments in the other thread.

 

Glad you enjoy it.
Which thread? Oh the one where you argued that the x9000 wouldn't fit?

 

how many times have you "promised no more" and then brought up or started an argument when the discussion was already over? I'll be extremely surprised if you don't respond to this post...

What's with this "we" crap? WE were formulating options as to why GW isn't advertising on their site. YOU decided to start an argument because you thought you knew a definite answer and everyone else was wrong. and your information was actually wrong... you said GW never advertised the 68xx or 78xx on their site, when they actually did at one point, oh, but you just left out a word by accident somewhere, right? lol. It's ridiculous for me to throw out the possibility that they're too busy moving to indirect sales? How do you know, do you work for the GW marketing department? How do you know that's an "incorrect" answer. I'd like a link to a source of where you get your unchallenged information please. This is funny too:

"especially considering they are no longer directly selling products"... newflash, that's called "indirect sales"... so what's the deal, it has nothing to do with indirect sales? but yet, you mention the indirect sales in your DEFINITE answer! You are omnificient!!! +rep

and what "others" like yourself have called me out on anything? are you seeing things or is it just what you'd like to see? what that i've said has been wrong? show me. You didn't admit you were wrong, you tried to say you left out a word and that we were "childish" and didn't understand you. LOL... you're making yourself look pathetic man. just stop, for your own sake. after all, you promised! if you want, you can do what you did before and act like you don't understand the post or that it's a "wall of text" and you're too lazy to read it... lol, when i read that i actually laughed out loud, my brother looked at me and said "wtf nerd" haa

 

I wasn't the first to bring up that it wouldn't fit! Kamin did. I just went looking and found stuff that made him sound like he was right after bringing up my concerns about it fitting. :laugh:

Yep, however, while it might fit, it may not work. In the latest update, I already mentioned that the X9000 did fit in the Montevina chipset in the other thread, it just didn't seem to work.

Got a spare Montevina I can borrow and test out?

Also,

ROCKS FALL DOWN. EVERYONE DIES

 

LOL. What are you smoking?

 

Well, I figured if everyone died, arguments would stop.

No?

And I like finding evidence arguing for both sides of the argument?

I'm kinda confused as to why I'm supposed to be smoking something.

Pot? Twin Lakes Cigarettes?

 

Actually I quit arguing with the last post. You bring up irony, so I respond appropriately. I don't see that as arguing.

 

I'm not arguing with you. I was referring to you and Jakamo5.

And yeap, that thread about the X9000.

 

Good job dtwn83 and Dook for being such fanboys. Next time you two want to argue like a couple, use PM's.

Now can we just focus on the "downscaling" issue and the performance of games?

 

Thank you for your input.

 

LOL. WTF does being a fanboy have to do with anything? The discussion was never on which laptop or brand is better which usually parallels being a "fanboy". But in any case, you are correct. We should bring the thread back to the original topic.

 

Yes can someone please explain why it downscales and why its a problem? I assume this isn't a problem for 15.4", right or wrong?

 

So now we argue about ... whether we are arguing ... yikes.

I honestly don't think hanging a flyer in the employee bathroom qualifies as advertising and that is comparable to where they post the information on the Best Buy offerings. Hopefully they will provide a place for driver updates. Probably in the furnace room behind the mops.

 

LOL. Yea. The driver section definitely leaves something to be desired. You have to put in your friggin serial number to even SEE the drivers for the BB models.

 

Wow! what a load of crap and wasted time. Dook, you have a very high impression of yourself - get a grip man. Otherwise you are a pretty nice guy and a useful and sometimes humorous addition to this site. Dwtn83 has much more credibility on this site than you, so I recommend you take some advice and back off, before you loose more. You nor I nor anyone else owns this site, yet you act like it sometimes. We are all here to contribute and learn. Having spent countless hours and months posting mostly quips and bs does not make you the laptop God. How about a little humility and some maturity, some decorum even, if you comprendo that, Jack!

 

Appreciate the input.

 

Same issue. It's not about screen size directly (but bigger screens normally are purchased with higher resolution), it's about screen resolution. Run a game and go to the options page. You will see the resolutions in which that game is designed to run. Not all games are the same. If you have a 15.4 inch screen with native resolution higher than the game's highest resolution, the screen will have to down scale to the game's lower resolution or stretch the game's lower res to the screens higher. You can get 15" screens 1920 or 1440 or 1280 etc.

I think I said this already but LCD's don't like down scaling. But 1920's have a high pixel density and down scale better than others. Also newer tech has improved the down scaling ability. But I guaranty there will be some game that you do not like the stretch or down scale. That is just being a human being with an opinion, you say tomato I say tomahto. Most will work fine regardless the vegetables under discusion.

 

Eh, credibility is given by others. I wouldn't say I'm more credible than him, or anyone else here.

Everyone makes mistakes.

 

Do you think now that 17"'s have been/are becoming popular, future games will try to match the resolutions better?

 

Its about how we fly in and carpet bomb each other (sometimes). You do it less. That is good. "Cool heads" and all that rot. And when someone gives you credit, the polite thing to do is take it and say thanks (or nothing).

Credibility is given by others...well I gave YOU props for your cool head, even temper and subject knowledge. Your humble resistance may be somewhat admirable but not needed.

Dook, thanks for your reply.

Back to business...

 

You do understand it is not 17 vs 15 but the resolution?

I am on a 17 right now and you would have to pull it from my cold, dead hands to get it. (May Charlton Heston rest in peace) But 15 wide is nice, too. Hey, I have a 700 eeePC so I can do small but 17 (if you don't have to carry it around or drag it out on airplanes) is wonderful. My 17 is 1440 but I'm looking forward to a 1920.

 

Well, desktop gamers have been gaming on 17"s for quite a while. It's not the size so much as it is the hardware.

I think resolutions are a matter of hardware. I would say that most casual gamers don't game on very high resolutions, due to the cost of hardware that would provide adequate performance at those levels.

As hardware improves, you also see more options for higher resolutions, just look at the resolutions for games made a few years ago and today.

I would think the increase in resolution is more about the improvement in hardware (monitor resolutions included, than the size of the screen, as well as the ability of hardware to provide adequate performance)

Improvements in hardware, dictate the higher resolutions, as the hardware is now better able to support it, which means while catering to the higher end, they have to also remember the lower end. Games can also run at lower resolutions to provide those with less powerful hardware to have adequate performance.

Does that make sense?

 

Sorry I should have asked if you think future games will match 1920 better, i think, i still don't understand it completely I'm mainly just asking if you think the downscaling will become less of an issue in the future.

 

Yep, Dook has that " Shock and Awe" thing going on. Gotta love that in a forum poster ... take no prisoners.

semper fi

 

yeah that was a good explanation thanks

 

LOL. I actually followed the link and read the wiki article. Good stuff! And although I don't think I'm QUITE that hardcore, I do tend to do things a bit differently.

In all honesty, if you look up my posting history, with the exception of this thread and maybe one or two more where I was just messing around in sort of a d1ckholish way, I really do try to be helpful to most and in general try not to stir the pot too awfully much. That being said, I will call a spade a spade and I don't like to sugercoat.

 

dook, when small fish bites a good fisherman ignores.
"appreciate your input" etc.

 

That's a very interesting point, my friend. :Thumbs up

 

Yeah, people who sugarcoat the truth suck. I'm always the one de-sugarcoating the story about the party my friends girlfriend went to, and of course I end up the ******* in the situation....

So I went to Best Buy and it seems like what they're going to do is get just one first to setup as a display model. Then a week later they'll get a full shipment for sale. So some of you early birds may be able to get your hands on the display model before it leaves its box?

The guy I asked said to call back whenever I am able to buy and if they have the first one in I can buy it! But sadly I think I have to wait until next Sunday! And I really don't want to buy one that people have had their grubby hands all over... unless of course I can get an open box discount. My boss is in death valley so he cant exactly sign my check until he gets back.

I messed around with the 6860 in the store, the FX logo wasn't as cheesy as I thought it was going to be. The screen didn't flex bad at all. For some reason the mouse felt really GREAT to me, like better than any touch pad I've ever felt before. So smooth, so nice.. Maybe I'm just crazy?

I really like the build quality, it was nice to actually see it in person because the pictures don't really do it justice. The only thing that kinda bugged me was the keys had a weird shine to them, and also the number keys were a dark color, why?? I wish the brushed stainless continued all the way below the keyboard to the edge. But other than that it made me even more excited about my 7811, its out there somewhere, right now... just waiting to be awesome.

 

Unbelievable

Ok that was an interesting proverb, but totally out of context here IMHO. You completely discounted the value of a meaningful exchange, which was closed, and to top it off you did it at the expense of others.

Dook, along with others of us were about to grow a little personally and you go and tell him it is the greater honor to blow off the input in favor of the "were the big fish here on OUR forum, we will do what we want - so screw the small fish if they dont like it - AND you're a better person for it. WRONG!

Ignoring considered input from someone especially those who happen to say something that may bear sufficient truth as to cause personal reflection and possibly growth, is just plain ignorant. No one is above that.

That was exactly the type of selfish, small minded thinking we were about to learn to avoid.

This thread should be dropped before anymore time is wasted or message meddling is done.

Treat people kindly (as much as possible). Contribute. Be humble. And most of all be open to new blood, you were once new too. And ttry not to cross cut a constructive comment just when it is beginning to gain traction.

 

My Contribution:

Higher resolution = better. Sharper picture, more screen real estate for you to have more programs open or more info to read before scrolling down. Ever gone back to a 15" laptop with a 1280x800 resolution after using anything higher? Ew.

If you're scared about your games not looking good, they'll look fine, and if not, you may have to sacrifice a setting or two... But anyway's, if you are using a computer as ONLY a gaming laptop, then something like 1440x900 would be beneficial.

And BTW, I am The Laptop GOD!!! So all y'all posers just shut up

This laptop I'm typing on is my first........

 

who said pictures?
rofl.. dunno if sum1 actually posted, but gateway actually has 3 or 4 pics... here they are:
pics
Have fun watching.. i know i did

 

LOL. Weren't you the one who on like your second post started flaming everybody because they didn't agree with your opinion on the nvidia cards? Although the message is good, I'm not quite so sure you should be the one preaching it just yet.


And aespinalc, thanks for the pic links.

 

So today I went to look at the local bestbuy, and sure enough they do stock Gateway models, but I couldn't find any of the P series, only the T and M. I asked the sales people (more then one, because the first sounded like he really didn't care) and they all told me they had no info about it, one guy even going as far as to looking through some paperwork.

Now this is for a canadian store, in the toronto area, and I only checked one store, so I'm not sure what other's will say, but im beginning to wonder if the 7811 will actually ship to canadian stores at the same time as american ones.

I'm gonna check back on the 14th and next weekend if it's not in before then, because they told me the best i can do is exactly that.

 

Cool. I'm certainly no expert and certainly cannot predict the future, but I see no reason as to why they would delay releasing the 7811 to the Canada stores(If they even release it up there). Especially seeing as how big Future Shop and Best Buy are up there. It does, however, make me wonder since BB owns FS, if they will have them for sale at FS.

 

To be honest, the 7811 might not be available in Canada at all, if past experience with the FX series is any indicator, only the early 6831FX models were available there. They never restocked it once they were sold out.

 

Futureshop (or the one i checked at least) doesn't stock and Gateway models at all.

If the case is that it won't ship to canada, I guess it's down to niagara falls and across the border for a day for me

 

LOL. I hear ya there! You in Ontario?

 

I bought 6831FX for 1 week, the screen was BAD compare to my dell M1710. Basically the viewing angle was the worst out of the 5 notebooks I tested in the last year. I wonder if the 7811's screen quality is as bad as the 6831. I know it will be a different screen, but it can still be cheap quality to cut cost.

 

What tax do we have to pay to bring it back?

 

Speaking of the screen, has anyone with the 6831 or other fx models had problems with the keyboard digging into the screen when it's in a case? I was thinking about getting a screen protector for the case I bought, but I know I will get lazy after a month and stop using it.

 

That is why I said WE and US each time I refered to hasty carpet bombing and personal growth. That said I am probably twice the age of anyone here and since you only learn from mistakes, I am wiser than most of you - trust me on that one. If I preached out of bounds I appologize. When I entered this forum it was not a kind reception, and I reacted, probably in haste. Again I appologize.

 

i call you on that twice the age

 

It's all good mah friend. It's alll good.

 

be at least 50 and I will lol

 

Just an FYI to those wanting to get one of these machines. I just picked mine up from the local bestbuy last night...I put my two WD Scorpio drives in it to see if i could configure them in Raid-0 (Like i was able to do on the previous generation of this laptop). There is NO OPTION FOR RAID....JUST IDE and AHCI
They removed the raid option on at least this Best buy model....so in my mind the older generation of this laptop the P-68XX models are a better deal than the new one. I love having raid-0 so it's a bummer for me on this 7811-FX.
-Scotty